RE: Lotus Elan (M100): CIWYC

RE: Lotus Elan (M100): CIWYC

Tuesday 25th April 2017

Lotus Elan (M100): CIWYC

The Elise Sprint is coming - but if money's tight, why not take advantage of one of its most accessible forebears?



Heads up: later this week, we'll be telling you all about what the new Lotus Elise Sprint is like to drive. But to whet our appetites until then, we've been looking at old Lotuses to find out how the Elise's predecessors are doing secondhand.

Cast aside your prejudices, it's good!
Cast aside your prejudices, it's good!
Now, this being Catch It While You Can, and it being a new Lotus Elise in the offing, it'd be no surprise if we were to take a look back at the original Elise, to tell you all about how you should buy one now just before the prices start to bimble their way skywards, having been sitting stationary for some time. (You probably should, by the way.)

The thing is, that's just what they'd be expecting us to do. So instead, we're going to tell you about a different Elise predecessor, and one you should also catch while you can. Not because prices are set to go up anytime soon, you understand. More because it looks like a bit of a bargain.

The more observant among you (by which we mean 'anyone with eyes') will already have worked out that we're talking about the Lotus Elan. And not the original Elan, either, but the wedgy, slightly plasticky, very front-wheel-drive M100 version, and equipped with your choice of a 1.6-litre Isuzu petrol engine, or the same engine with an IHI turbocharger strapped on.

Still a sharp looking car nearly 30 years on
Still a sharp looking car nearly 30 years on
The vast majority were equipped with the latter powerplant, good for 165hp, with 0-60mph coming up in 6.5 seconds and a top speed of 137mph. All of which made it suitably brisk for the early 1990s. But there is, of course, an elephant in the room. And we should deal with it before we go any further.

Yes, we know it's front-wheel drive. Yes, we know it looks like it shouldn't be. But the thing is, drive an M100 for half an hour and the chances are you won't mind too much. For Lotus, the decision to make the new Elan was never about packaging or efficiency, such as it was for other manufacturers. Instead, it was about stability and predictability; an attempt to build a car that was not only great fun, but also accessible, and easy to drive quickly.

In a way, that was its downfall, for buyers didn't want an expensive British roadster with Vauxhall bits that couldn't step its tail out like an old Elan could. Instead, they wanted a cheap, faux-British roadster with Mazda bits that could. Which was why the MX-5 came along and stole the Elan's thunder.

Good ones are still under £10K, for now...
Good ones are still under £10K, for now...
Nevertheless, the Elan was still immense fun and, let's not forget, far quicker than any standard Mk1 MX-5 could ever hope to be. And today, you can still pick up a very decent Elan for under £10,000 - we found this example of the more desirable S2 with just 58,000 miles on the clock going for £9,000, for example.

Ah yes, you're saying, but what about that early Elise? Well, frankly, until around six months ago, we'd have nodded sagely and told you to go and buy one of those instead, after all. But with Elise prices well and truly on the rise, like-for-like, you'll probably get more Elan for your money now.

What's more, the Elan can boast a layer of usability the Elise can't - for example, a roof that's permanently attached to the car. Such luxury gives it the edge, if not in terms of ability, then in terms of accessibility. And if you can see past any anti-front-wheel-drive bias you might have, that combined with its entry-level price makes it one of the most tempting ways into Lotus ownership there is.

[The Azure Blue Elan in pics here is currently for sale in the PH classifieds here]

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Lotusgone

Original Poster:

1,184 posts

127 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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As a former owner (hence the username), I would endorse everything in the article. I was advised, by someone who was with the company at the time, that the S2 was better put together - I had no. 319. This is probably the easiest Lotus to own and drive, for those like me who are the wrong side of 50 and a bit tall; posting oneself into an Elise or Exige is tricky and the seats in those are damned uncomfortable. The roof is a lot simpler too.

Don't get any of the non-turbos, though they are very much in the minority. There are loads of 100k-plus examples going, so the engine is strong but some might prefer it pepping up. This has been a Cinderella Lotus for some time, seems like attitudes are changing.

Hugh Jarse

3,502 posts

205 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Looks so good in that purple. Funny how some cars suit certain colours. Perhaps something to do with subliminal familiarity. Or just familiarity. Back emd is a bit dodge. But otherwise nice looking. You just know in the planning meeting someone was saying make it rwd. Still a great car, plenty of fwd cars are handling gods. Megane sport etc.

Cold

15,243 posts

90 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Around the time that this was conceived (mid/late 80s) the fwd hot hatch was king of the road tests. Made sense for Lotus to join in.

s m

23,222 posts

203 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Surely this will get moved to Car Buying forum shortly.....

Kia made these for a while too



https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...

J4CKO

41,520 posts

200 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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I worked with a guy who had one, it was problematic, always had various bits of the dash or door cards off, or it broke down, think he eventually got it to be viable transport but it left him a broken man.

Ved

3,825 posts

175 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Extremely reputable dealer but I have to say these could be a bit of a money pit. Nice looking car mind and the contemporary reviews were very good.

Tickle

4,915 posts

204 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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I got told they are a PITA to work on, making labour costs very expensive compared with an Elise variant.

foxoles

140 posts

126 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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"I worked with a guy who had one, it was problematic, always had various bits of the dash or door cards off, or it broke down, think he eventually got it to be viable transport but it left him a broken man."

I had the same problems with a 1986 Ford Escort - left me a broken man with everything that was wrong with it. However the 2nd car I was running at the time was faultless - yes a Lotus from the 1970s.

GT03ROB

13,262 posts

221 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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I've had one for rather a long time...... lets just say it's silver jubilee of my ownership is coming up.

Mine was in the 1st 20 off the production line so an early model to say the least.

Reliability is very good. The car is quick on any B road & can more than hold it's own with supposedly much faster cars. They are also very easy to drive quick & totally useable. The design is a little awkward from some angles but from front on it's really good & timeless.

Seriously underrated.

Ikemi

8,441 posts

205 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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foxoles said:
"I worked with a guy who had one, it was problematic, always had various bits of the dash or door cards off, or it broke down, think he eventually got it to be viable transport but it left him a broken man."

I had the same problems with a 1986 Ford Escort - left me a broken man with everything that was wrong with it. However the 2nd car I was running at the time was faultless - yes a Lotus from the 1970s.
Exactly. I've had a few Elises; two have been fantastic, whereas one was a complete money pit. I shelled out around £4-5K in 12 months, although ironically most of those months were spent in a garage being repaired ... or broken.

Surely the pop-up headlights alone make the Elan pretty desirable! I'd love one as a daily driver, to replace my Z3. It would look good next to my S1 Elise fast road/track car ... smile

highway

1,950 posts

260 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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I hankered for one of these when they were new. Had an early MX5 in 1992 and these were beyond my budget at the time. I finally got one after selling my then new Elise. Would have been 1999. One owner S2 in Calypso Red wearing the number plate M18 LAN. It was mint with about 9k on it. Nothing like as raw or as engaging as an Elise to drive. Very pretty car to my eyes and far better suited to motorways than an Elise. Never really missed it though and I bought my 6th Elise last year.

The real mystery, as alluded to in the article above, has to be why the Elise S1 isn't already stratospheric price wise. They were made for about 3 years in low volume. Loads now rest with Colin Chapman in his celestial garage, loads more have been subject to more modifications than a Kardashian. The brand has more kudos than many and the Elise offers a driving experience vastly different to Ford RS cars, old BMW's or a myriad of other cars which have seen their values rocket over the past 5 years.

Even cars with sub 10k miles aren't advertised for much over £20k. Good cars still routinely for sale at around £15k. That has to be cheap all things considered.

JohnoVR6

690 posts

212 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Apologies as always if it isn't cricket linking to another site, but some interesting insight in to the M100 development from former F1 driver and dynamicist, John Miles;

http://www.vehicledynamicsinternational.com/indust...

danlowe42

52 posts

126 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Oh the memories....



I saw a yellow one in the car park at the local Porsche dealership in Reading a few months back and it stood out as something special in amongst all the modern Porsches.

SpudLink

5,765 posts

192 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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J4CKO said:
I worked with a guy who had one, it was problematic, always had various bits of the dash or door cards off, or it broke down, think he eventually got it to be viable transport but it left him a broken man.
A couple of years ago I got chatting to a local man as he was preparing to put his into the garage for the winter. While we were talking, he opened the bonnet and something broke, and when he opened the door the door card fell off. He said he really just wanted someone to take it off his hands.

Having said that, there's another local who picked one up last year, and when we last spoke, has had no issues.

I remember when the M100 arrived on the scene (I don't like calling it the Elan), it was being hailed as the best handling front-wheel drive car you could buy. As someone else said, it was being developed at a time when the market for cars that were 'fun' to drive was moving towards FWD, and the nostalgia for the traditional British sports car had not yet been sparked by the MX-5. It made sense for Lotus to 'get with the program', and show that their suspension expertise could be applied to FWD as well as RWD. Unfortunately for Lotus, it turned out that what the market was waiting for was a traditional British sports car made by the Japanese.



anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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There's also the small matter that TVR would sell you a thundering V8 sportscar for the price of this dinky 4-pot runabout.

HeMightBeBanned

617 posts

178 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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A friend has run one for several years, replacing the TVR Tuscan that was forever broken down or catching fire.

He has loved owning the M100 but said that parts availability is becoming a pain in the arse, whilst parts prices are going up.

Olivera

7,131 posts

239 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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SpudLink said:
I remember when the M100 arrived on the scene (I don't like calling it the Elan), it was being hailed as the best handling front-wheel drive car you could buy.
Front wheel drive cars in the late 80s and early 90s were pretty piss poor by today's standards - rampant torque steer and chassis flex were the norm. I would put money on a current chav-spec Corsa VXR running rings round the Elan in every possible handling dynamic.

GT03ROB

13,262 posts

221 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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Olivera said:
Front wheel drive cars in the late 80s and early 90s were pretty piss poor by today's standards - rampant torque steer and chassis flex were the norm. I would put money on a current chav-spec Corsa VXR running rings round the Elan in every possible handling dynamic.
Have you driven one?

the_hood

771 posts

194 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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GT03ROB said:
Olivera said:
I would put money on a current chav-spec Corsa VXR running rings round the Elan in every possible handling dynamic.
What's a "chav-spec Corsa VXR"?

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Tuesday 25th April 2017
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the_hood said:
What's a "chav-spec Corsa VXR"?
The standard factory spec one?