Diesel v Tory intentions.

Diesel v Tory intentions.

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loggo

Original Poster:

410 posts

111 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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This is often touched on in posts but does anyone have a hint as to the Tory intentions towards diesel car drivers ?
As they are going out of their way to delay an announcement until after the election I am guessing that it won't be good but is it likely to be newer cars only (which seems strange as they are the cleanest) or will it be limited to older clunkers in the former of higher RFL or maybe increase the tax on diesel ?

Anyone got a clue....?

Ali_T

3,379 posts

256 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Simple. Spend 15 years blaming CO2 for all the world's ills so everyone moves over to diesel. Realise you're not making enough money through the road fund license because everyone bought a diesel. Find "new" (that's been around since 1989) scientific evidence that diesel might be bad for you. Blame all the world's ills on diesel so you can increase the fuel duty on it and rake in the profit because you persuaded the majority of motorists to buy one over the past 15 years. In the meantime, blame the rest of the world's ills on cars that cost more than £40,000 because...well....just because.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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loggo said:
This is often touched on in posts but does anyone have a hint as to the Tory intentions towards diesel car drivers ?
Well, the highest-profile "intention" is Sadiq Khan's T-charge in London...

loggo said:
As they are going out of their way to delay an announcement until after the election
When did ANY chancellor ever announce what they were going to do in a budget beforehand?

gazza285

9,780 posts

207 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Ali_T said:
Simple. Spend 15 years blaming CO2 for all the world's ills so everyone moves over to diesel. Realise you're not making enough money through the road fund license because everyone bought a diesel. Find "new" (that's been around since 1989) scientific evidence that diesel might be bad for you. Blame all the world's ills on diesel so you can increase the fuel duty on it and rake in the profit because you persuaded the majority of motorists to buy one over the past 15 years. In the meantime, blame the rest of the world's ills on cars that cost more than £40,000 because...well....just because.
I believe the question was about what the Conservatives would do, and you've come out with Gordon Brown's plans...

Zetec-S

5,832 posts

92 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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I can't see massive increases in tax on diesel, there would be too much backlash from the haulage industry.

It'll be a gradual increase in RFL, and perhaps ultimately additional tax on new diesel car sales to discourage buyers. But no knee jerk reaction, probably phased over the next 5-10 years.

DanielSan

18,747 posts

166 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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gazza285 said:
I believe the question was about what the Conservatives would do, and you've come out with Gordon Brown's plans...
I thought Labour's endless cockups were fair game to name the Tories on now? hehe

loggo

Original Poster:

410 posts

111 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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I guess what I am trying to get an opinion on is the potential/likely on cost of running a 10 y/o diesel car over the next 3 or so years. Particularly any disposal problems due to image when I wish to sell.

Ali_T

3,379 posts

256 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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gazza285 said:
I believe the question was about what the Conservatives would do, and you've come out with Gordon Brown's plans...
They are indistinguishable from each other.

J4CKO

41,287 posts

199 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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What will Mr Corbyn do though ?

Bang the tax up on all personal transport to pay for free public transport for the disadvantaged ?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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loggo said:
I guess what I am trying to get an opinion on is the potential/likely on cost of running a 10 y/o diesel car over the next 3 or so years. Particularly any disposal problems due to image when I wish to sell.
Nobody can answer that. And any plans that are announced will take time to implement and likely change. So what happens in 3 years time is anyones guess tbh.

What is likely however is gradual change. Rather than instant life altering charges just because you have a diesel powered car.

99dndd

2,079 posts

88 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Tax

JuniorD

8,616 posts

222 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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The Tory diesel plan is probably: (1) appear really nice and caring to diesel owners in advance of the election; (2) fk diesel owners exquisitely hard in the ass post-election when absolute power is theirs.

For their overall plan for the UK you may replace the term "diesel owner" with any of: pensioner; patient; HNS worker; taxpayer; traveller; foreigner; student;


300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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JuniorD said:
The Tory diesel plan is probably: (1) appear really nice and caring to diesel owners in advance of the election; (2) fk diesel owners exquisitely hard in the ass post-election when absolute power is theirs.

For their overall plan for the UK you may replace the term "diesel owner" with any of: pensioner; patient; HNS worker; taxpayer; traveller; foreigner; student;
That's just government.

At the end of the day, regardless which party is in power. They all have the same problems to solve (well address) with the same limited set of tools. Most of it is just juggling figures here and there. Take some away here, give a few there.

underphil

1,245 posts

209 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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300bhp/ton said:
JuniorD said:
The Tory diesel plan is probably: (1) appear really nice and caring to diesel owners in advance of the election; (2) fk diesel owners exquisitely hard in the ass post-election when absolute power is theirs.

For their overall plan for the UK you may replace the term "diesel owner" with any of: pensioner; patient; HNS worker; taxpayer; traveller; foreigner; student;
That's just government.

At the end of the day, regardless which party is in power. They all have the same problems to solve (well address) with the same limited set of tools. Most of it is just juggling figures here and there. Take some away here, give a few there.
But the same tools can yield vastly different results depending on who's hands they are in and how they use them

underphil

1,245 posts

209 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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Ali_T said:
Simple. Spend 15 years blaming CO2 for all the world's ills so everyone moves over to diesel. Realise you're not making enough money through the road fund license because everyone bought a diesel. Find "new" (that's been around since 1989) scientific evidence that diesel might be bad for you. Blame all the world's ills on diesel so you can increase the fuel duty on it and rake in the profit because you persuaded the majority of motorists to buy one over the past 15 years. In the meantime, blame the rest of the world's ills on cars that cost more than £40,000 because...well....just because.
I'm not sure - the money raised from RFL is bugger all in the grand scheme of the the country's economy

The changes to RFL and other transport taxes are done to influence behaviours

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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300bhp/ton said:
That's just government.

At the end of the day, regardless which party is in power. They all have the same problems to solve (well address) with the same limited set of tools. Most of it is just juggling figures here and there. Take some away here, give a few there.
<ding>

Money comes in. How do you increase it without making the people paying it say "Yeh, bugger that" and go elsewhere?
Money goes out. How do you reduce it without making people shout?

All this "Oooh, NHS! Oooh, pensioners! Oooh, benefits! AUSTERITY! TERRIBLE!"...
The government spends about £800bn/yr.
£160bn is on pensions. £150bn is on healthcare. £85bn is on education. £60bn is on welfare. That's more than half of the total spend, right there. Just in those four "can't possibly touch" headline figures. Then there's everything else. Transport, defence, etc etc.

So raise income, right? The government is currently spending - AFTER all the "austerity" - about twice as much every year as it was in mid 2000s. And it's currently spending £15bn more than comes in every year... Still, at least that's down from £100bn more than coming in, in 2010... And yet total annual expenditure's gone up by nearly £100bn since 2010, too...

Maybe it's really not quite as easy as all the soundbites make out?

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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underphil said:
But the same tools can yield vastly different results depending on who's hands they are in and how they use them
Not really.

I know we/many/you like to moan "they did that", "they should have done this". Sort of thing.

But the reality is, radical change is very very rare. And most things that change actually impact individuals quite a minimal amount.


Zetec-S

5,832 posts

92 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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JuniorD said:
The Tory diesel plan is probably: (1) appear really nice and caring to diesel owners in advance of the election; (2) fk diesel owners exquisitely hard in the ass post-election when absolute power is theirs.

For their overall plan for the UK you may replace the term "diesel owner" with any of: pensioner; patient; HNS worker; taxpayer; traveller; foreigner; student;
As opposed to Corbyn's plan which would fk over the entire country.

loggo

Original Poster:

410 posts

111 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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JuniorD said:
The Tory diesel plan is probably: (1) appear really nice and caring to diesel owners in advance of the election; (2) fk diesel owners exquisitely hard in the ass post-election when absolute power is theirs.

For their overall plan for the UK you may replace the term "diesel owner" with any of: pensioner; patient; HNS worker; taxpayer; traveller; foreigner; student;
Very many thanks to juniorD who read my question and answered it without going off on one !

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Thursday 27th April 2017
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loggo said:
JuniorD said:
The Tory diesel plan is probably: (1) appear really nice and caring to diesel owners in advance of the election; (2) fk diesel owners exquisitely hard in the ass post-election when absolute power is theirs.

For their overall plan for the UK you may replace the term "diesel owner" with any of: pensioner; patient; HNS worker; taxpayer; traveller; foreigner; student;
Very many thanks to juniorD who read my question and answered it without going off on one !
You mean "who gave an answer that suits my own political preferences, without worrying overly much about facts or reality"?