Internal combustion engine days are numbered.

[tejr]

This has been common knowledge for a long time if you look at the value of cars worth keeping over the last 5-10 years.

[kambites]

SuperchargedVR6 said:

An Elise and a Octavia VRS are considered modern.

As for the thread, I don't care. I'll be 77 then and won't give a toss.

Yup; the Octavia is a white-goods family bus It'll be replaced by an EV. The Elise is the best compromise I've found between modern usability and classic fun. I suspect I will never buy an ICE powered car which is newer and if I ever replace the Elise it's likely to be with something considerably older.

ETA: Unless of course someone ever produces a genuine electric sports car in a similar vein to the Elise, but I think that's a long way off if it ever happens at all.

Edited by kambites on Friday 28th April 15:08

[anonymous-user]

The modern tesla wil do 0-60 in nearly 3 seconds.

Who cares? As long as they make fast,good handling sport ev cars, who cares?

[Monkeylegend]

Well they say a week is a long time in politics so 33 years is a way to go.

[austinsmirk]

we got a nissan leaf on 3rd march. Its my wife's car. its not especially pretty, but its massively spec'd and actually pretty quick: but fiscally it makes complete sense. about £16.00 to do 800 miles is a good example.

now I've experienced EV: I'd never go back.

even a hybrid wouldn't cut it: mainly because they're barely any better than a decent diesel motor for efficiency.

I can see we will always have an EV as a second car. as the ranges get better and more fast charging points, it'll become the mainstream.

its also lovely not to have to bother going to the petrol station: just plug it in at home. winner.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the Tesla 3 (?) will cost when released.

[Dave Hedgehog]

austinsmirk said:

we got a nissan leaf on 3rd march. Its my wife's car. its not especially pretty, but its massively spec'd and actually pretty quick: but fiscally it makes complete sense. about £16.00 to do 800 miles is a good example.

now I've experienced EV: I'd never go back.

even a hybrid wouldn't cut it: mainly because they're barely any better than a decent diesel motor for efficiency.

I can see we will always have an EV as a second car. as the ranges get better and more fast charging points, it'll become the mainstream.

its also lovely not to have to bother going to the petrol station: just plug it in at home. winner.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the Tesla 3 (?) will cost when released.

make the most of the cheap running costs

once enough ppl have switched to EV they will introduce road pricing

[MrBarry123]

General Fluff said:

This is just the Government taking credit for what will happen anyway.

[Hainey]

So where are are all these trained EV technicians to keep these non IC machines on the road when they pass from the dealer network to the independent trade? Someone got a box of them on standby we can open?

I ask because I fix cars as a hobby and I don't know any, despite having a lot of connections in the trade. The flip side is I could be turning spanners 7 nights a week for people if I wanted to.

I guess I just live in a poor backwater then. Not posh enough to buy EV.

Point is the ICE is going nowhere soon.

[gazza285]

Hainey said:

Point is the ICE is going nowhere soon.

Literally or figuratively?

[Hainey]

gazza285 said:

Hainey said:

Point is the ICE is going nowhere soon.

Literally or figuratively?

You're a bright lad. I'm sure you'll work it out.

[Big GT]

EV's great idea - I'm on board.

However what I struggle with is how we all going to be able to charge up...at the same time.

As I understand most housing estates are fed via a local transformers connected to the main grid and provide power to ur home. From what I understand these are sized around on 2.5kVA per house. (Average load - OK you can pull more)

So for example an estate with around 500 homes will be fed via 1000kVA transformer. 250 homes by 500kVA transformer etc etc.

On charge, a Nissan leaf will consume around 3kVA for 8 hours.
I would think Tesla's or EV's with 3 times the battery capacity (range) will require 3 times electrical power to charge in 8 hours.

So lets say in 2025 100 homes charge there EV consuming 10kVA each, at 6PM.

You can see where this is going......

Is it just me? I cant see how our local infrastructure can cope with the demand.
Remember this is on top of what we consume at the moment.

[photosnob]

Big GT said:

EV's great idea - I'm on board.

However what I struggle with is how we all going to be able to charge up...at the same time.

As I understand most housing estates are fed via a local transformers connected to the main grid and provide power to ur home. From what I understand these are sized around on 2.5kVA per house. (Average load - OK you can pull more)

So for example an estate with around 500 homes will be fed via 1000kVA transformer. 250 homes by 500kVA transformer etc etc.

On charge, a Nissan leaf will consume around 3kVA for 8 hours.
I would think Tesla's or EV's with 3 times the battery capacity (range) will require 3 times electrical power to charge in 8 hours.

So lets say in 2025 100 homes charge there EV consuming 10kVA each, at 6PM.

You can see where this is going......

Is it just me? I cant see how our local infrastructure can cope with the demand.
Remember this is on top of what we consume at the moment.

Infrastructure will be upgraded and improved. Some as we are doing with fibre broadband. The costs to do so are huge - but long term it's the correct decision. Energy demands have changed constantly over the last century and we have responded. We are not a thirld world country. We shall be fine I think.

[rolando]

Big GT said:

However what I struggle with is how we all going to be able to charge up...at the same time.

As I understand most housing estates are fed via a local transformers connected to the main grid and provide power to ur home. From what I understand these are sized around on 2.5kVA per house. (Average load - OK you can pull more)

So for example an estate with around 500 homes will be fed via 1000kVA transformer. 250 homes by 500kVA transformer etc etc.

On charge, a Nissan leaf will consume around 3kVA for 8 hours.
I would think Tesla's or EV's with 3 times the battery capacity (range) will require 3 times electrical power to charge in 8 hours.

So lets say in 2025 100 homes charge there EV consuming 10kVA each, at 6PM.

You can see where this is going......

Is it just me? I cant see how our local infrastructure can cope with the demand.
Remember this is on top of what we consume at the moment.

No problem now STOR (short term operating reserve) diesel generator sets are being installed all over the place, spewing out tonnes of pollution. …and we subsidise them.

[Hainey]

rolando said:

Big GT said:

However what I struggle with is how we all going to be able to charge up...at the same time.

As I understand most housing estates are fed via a local transformers connected to the main grid and provide power to ur home. From what I understand these are sized around on 2.5kVA per house. (Average load - OK you can pull more)

So for example an estate with around 500 homes will be fed via 1000kVA transformer. 250 homes by 500kVA transformer etc etc.

On charge, a Nissan leaf will consume around 3kVA for 8 hours.
I would think Tesla's or EV's with 3 times the battery capacity (range) will require 3 times electrical power to charge in 8 hours.

So lets say in 2025 100 homes charge there EV consuming 10kVA each, at 6PM.

You can see where this is going......

Is it just me? I cant see how our local infrastructure can cope with the demand.
Remember this is on top of what we consume at the moment.

No problem now STOR (short term operating reserve) diesel generator sets are being installed all over the place, spewing out tonnes of pollution. …and we subsidise them.

Really? Not doubting you but I've never heard of that. Where are they getting installed?

[ikarl]

Hainey said:

So where are are all these trained EV technicians to keep these non IC machines on the road when they pass from the dealer network to the independent trade? Someone got a box of them on standby we can open?

I ask because I fix cars as a hobby and I don't know any, despite having a lot of connections in the trade. The flip side is I could be turning spanners 7 nights a week for people if I wanted to.

I guess I just live in a poor backwater then. Not posh enough to buy EV.

Point is the ICE is going nowhere soon.

To fix what? The brakes/suspension same as other cars (though brakes need replaced less than a normal car)

For the "engine"..... well, it's a lot more reliable, with less to go wrong in the first place, so why do you think there's a need for anything other than what is already in place?

[Big GT]

Hainey said:

Really? Not doubting you but I've never heard of that. Where are they getting installed?

True

STOR uses batteries to store energy under low demand, discharge onto grid at peak time.
STOR Generators are used fire up and top up the gird on high demand.

However this would only help if on your estate as you still relay on local infrastructure which I cant see coping

[rolando]

Hainey said:

Really? Not doubting you but I've never heard of that. Where are they getting installed?

There's one in Fremington (N Devon) and a planning application in near Witheridge in a really sparsely populated area. The gov't policy was designed to attract the building of CCGT stations but, because of a loophole in EU rules, the renewables cowboys, now that wind and solar farms are no longer an attractive proposition, have found that diesel generators are a cheap alternative way to cash in on the subsidies.

[Crafty_]

DSGbangs said:

The modern tesla wil do 0-60 in nearly 3 seconds.

Who cares? As long as they make fast,good handling sport ev cars, who cares?

I don't really care how quick they are, I can't see an EV being remotely interesting to drive. YMMV.

[Mikeyjae]

No doubt that EV will be the future and that's what the government are going to push next but at what mileage range would it need for most of us to switch early?

I could get away with a range of around 80 mile on a charge most of the time. However I think I would need about a 300 mile range to be happily convinced too switch to an EV as I drive everywhere when going away. Wales, Scotland, France etc.

Generally interested in how quick fast charging stations are. Anybody know?

[DoubleD]

I wont be going EV until they produce something exciting.

The closest car that i can see is buying a massive barge off a chap called Ellen. Not my kind of car.