RE: Noble M600: Spotted

RE: Noble M600: Spotted

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thegreenhell

15,115 posts

218 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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VGTICE said:
f1nn said:
What else is available new for £250k?
One fully loaded M135i (junior supercar) + one fully loaded 335d (mapped) and you can use the change to keep them both running for the rest of your days.
What a thoroughly, depressingly unimaginative prospect.

Eviltad

1,320 posts

178 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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thegreenhell said:
VGTICE said:
f1nn said:
What else is available new for £250k?
One fully loaded M135i (junior supercar) + one fully loaded 335d (mapped) and you can use the change to keep them both running for the rest of your days.
What a thoroughly, depressingly unimaginative prospect.
Was a pisstake i'm sure.

VGTICE

1,003 posts

86 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Eviltad said:
thegreenhell said:
VGTICE said:
f1nn said:
What else is available new for £250k?
One fully loaded M135i (junior supercar) + one fully loaded 335d (mapped) and you can use the change to keep them both running for the rest of your days.
What a thoroughly, depressingly unimaginative prospect.
Was a pisstake i'm sure.
Sound like it but let's wait for VGTICE to confirm it.

soad

32,829 posts

175 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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e21Mark said:
I admit £200k is a hefty price tag but it's a genuine bespoke, 225mph weapon. I also think it looks fantastic and less is certainly more.
yes

f1nn

2,692 posts

191 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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e21Mark said:
Robert-nszl1 said:
macky17 said:
You're assuming either of them would let you. So speaks the anti-M600 standard-bearer.

L33 - I salute you.
Hahaha fair enough, though I did until very recently own an Alfa 8C if that counts as good looking? Most think it is. I do find the looks of the Noble rather bland, certainly given the competition at that price point. I'm sure it is great fun to drive (certainly better than my 8C was), and looks are of course subjective. But I stand by the basis of my statement even if my language was a bit fruity for some of you. Supercars should look interesting, and that just doesn't.....sorry!
It does to me. Restrained yet purposeful. A car that doesn't need to shout about its capabilities. Some folk like crystal gear knobs or PS4 style dash displays, others don't. As you said, looks are subjective anyway, but the way the M600 performs and outperforms the competition, is undeniable.
Out of interest, at the price almost £248k for the coupe and £296k for the roadster according to an almost year old Autocar article a quick Google turned up, before any personalisation, options and the 15k plus tax autobox option that people forget about, what would you say it's competition, that it undeniably outperforms, is?


Edited by f1nn on Sunday 7th May 14:35

PurpleAki

1,601 posts

86 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Or another way, what else at that price does 225mph?

f1nn

2,692 posts

191 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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I don't know the answer to this, but has it ever been independently verified at 225mph.

I know Autocar quote that as a top speed, which is irrelevant in itself really, but I remember reading the Autocar road test in 2009, and they certainly never went anywhere near 225...due to the constraints in the U.K. I would assume.

e21Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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f1nn

2,692 posts

191 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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Hmm, they got one to indicate over 200mph on the speedo, which is not quite the same thing as the car achieving a genuine, verified 200mph.

I've just been having an idle look about at road test data whilst sat on the throne, and yes, the figures that Autocar achieved in 2009 were very, very impressive.

It's a bit unfair to compare what is a 2009 design that hasn't been updated significantly to a modern car, but hey that's what Noble are effectively marketing, but a McLaren 650s marginally betters the M600 upto at least 150mph, thereafter comparable figures get a bit vague but certainly the McLaren looks at least comparable upto 186mph, while being considerably cheaper. Then there is another issue, the McLaren 720S, which is quicker again and still cheaper, assuming the M600 is priced at £206k plus local taxes as I've read, which I make just under a quarter of a million on the road.

I'm not even sure any of that is such a poor reflection on the M600 actually, it's just an old design now that has been bettered, in my eyes at least, by more modern rivals, at a lesser price.

sjc

13,884 posts

269 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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f1nn said:
Hmm, they got one to indicate over 200mph on the speedo, which is not quite the same thing as the car achieving a genuine, verified 200mph.

I've just been having an idle look about at road test data whilst sat on the throne, and yes, the figures that Autocar achieved in 2009 were very, very impressive.

It's a bit unfair to compare what is a 2009 design that hasn't been updated significantly to a modern car, but hey that's what Noble are effectively marketing, but a McLaren 650s marginally betters the M600 upto at least 150mph, thereafter comparable figures get a bit vague but certainly the McLaren looks at least comparable upto 186mph, while being considerably cheaper. Then there is another issue, the McLaren 720S, which is quicker again and still cheaper, assuming the M600 is priced at £206k plus local taxes as I've read, which I make just under a quarter of a million on the road.

I'm not even sure any of that is such a poor reflection on the M600 actually, it's just an old design now that has been bettered, in my eyes at least, by more modern rivals, at a lesser price.
F1nn..
Would you have doubted and wanted the figures verified if it was the Veyron, or the Zonda?
Were the 650s figures taken on the same day, with the same amount of fuel and two passengers etc?
A base 650s was 200 grand, ( not far off a base non carbon M600)even some of the paints were circa 10k IIRC on the Macca. If you specced one under £225k you did well. Probably a LT at circa 300 grand would be a fairer comparison.
You keep saying bettered... Yet you freely admit you've not got properly close to (let alone driven an M600) and probably it's the same with the 650s. I never got 911's on any level, but didn't comment on forums about them until I did various track days via Palmersport Porsche Silverstone ... Then I got them and understood the appeal.
The 650s and M600 are both great cars (just different ones ) but we should be especially happy the M600 even exists.If it was built by a big name and double the price it would be fawned over by fanboys the world over.

f1nn

2,692 posts

191 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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I'm not doubting it can do the 225mph that people keep quoting, I'd just wondered if it has ever been independently proven, tested or verified, as certain posters keep trotting the figure out like it's the be all and end all.

Equally, certain posters have suggested the performance is head and shoulders above its competition, again, like its the most important factor. 8 years ago when the car was introduced it probably was. Not now it would seem, things have certainly moved on in the performance stakes.

sjc

13,884 posts

269 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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banghead

e21Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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f1nn said:
I'm not doubting it can do the 225mph that people keep quoting, I'd just wondered if it has ever been independently proven, tested or verified, as certain posters keep trotting the figure out like it's the be all and end all.
Just one aspect to a car that is a) built here in the UK and b) generally accepted as being pretty special when it comes to handling. Any car deemed a 'modern F40' has to be something to be revered surely? What's not to love about a car like this being available, albeit at a hefty price tag?

As a kid the F40 was my poster car and as middle aged, balding fat bloke it's the M600. I'm just surprised that on a forum like this it isn't more revered. Yes the styling is subjective (although I think it's fantastic) but I wonder how long cars like this will be built?

ETA

Obviously just my opinion and I'm a lottery win shy of ever having one on the drive. Mind you, if anyone wants me to look after theirs for a few hours / days / weeks, I'm up for it. smile

PurpleAki

1,601 posts

86 months

Sunday 7th May 2017
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f1nn said:
as certain posters keep trotting the figure out like it's the be all and end all.
The only person trotting something out was you with over and over again with the words "kit car".

Robert-nszl1

401 posts

87 months

Monday 8th May 2017
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Reading through all the comments again, I think the problem is they haven't had the courage (or perhaps money) to make it more of a Zonda or Koenigsegg. It sits at the top of the 'mass' supercar market in terms of price, but without the heritage nor benefits a mainstream manufacturer give. It may or may not outperform these other cars, but for most it is an unknown quantity, and while many on here laud the style, it is at best understated.

Make it a truly bespoke £500k+ car, with maybe a more interesting body style, and interior, and it might become a thing of genuine desire. Perhaps like Spyker with proper performance and dynamics (that the Noble engineers are capable of) recognising they are probably a bit too OTT.

e21Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Monday 8th May 2017
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Didn't Ascari do that with the A10? You could have 2 M600's for the price tag attached to that.

PurpleAki

1,601 posts

86 months

Monday 8th May 2017
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I really liked ​that too! M600 for the road and an A10 for the track. That would do me!

e21Mark

16,205 posts

172 months

Monday 8th May 2017
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Me too. I'd have one for when the McLaren F1 was in for servicing and the Mrs was out in the F40. smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCpMrcWXA3o

L33

3,468 posts

223 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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Sale agreed, deposit paid.
I'm buying her. Again.

Surely there can't be many of us who have loved a car so much, that we've owned it more than once? nuts

driving

shibby!

921 posts

197 months

Thursday 25th May 2017
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I like your style!!!!