RE: Noble M600: Spotted
Discussion
L33 said:
I'm pissing myself laughing at some of the comments 
some folk clearly need educating.
I've had the car back for 2 weeks now and I'm smitten. Again.
For those who don't understand and see the M600 as a kit car, take a look at my profile and consider some of the other toys I've had recently - the M600 is a monumental step forward from anything else I've ever owned. The M600 gives an undiluted anologue driving experience that's hard to beat. Sure - I'd rather have a Mclaren F1, Ferrari F40, F50, or a Porsche Carrera GT, but realistically I doubt I'll ever be in a position to
If you are joining this thread late, I previously took the time to write an in depth post on why I love the car so much - You'll find it on page 6 of this thread.
The only negative i currently have about the car is that the interior currently hurts my eyes. It looks as if every inch available has been trimmed in smurf skin. A full interior retrim in something much more tasteful is booked in for next month to put that right - photos to follow end of July.
When I've gotten to know the car better, I'll write a full review - warts 'n all with some detailed pictures.
L33
Fantastic. some folk clearly need educating. I've had the car back for 2 weeks now and I'm smitten. Again.
For those who don't understand and see the M600 as a kit car, take a look at my profile and consider some of the other toys I've had recently - the M600 is a monumental step forward from anything else I've ever owned. The M600 gives an undiluted anologue driving experience that's hard to beat. Sure - I'd rather have a Mclaren F1, Ferrari F40, F50, or a Porsche Carrera GT, but realistically I doubt I'll ever be in a position to
If you are joining this thread late, I previously took the time to write an in depth post on why I love the car so much - You'll find it on page 6 of this thread.
The only negative i currently have about the car is that the interior currently hurts my eyes. It looks as if every inch available has been trimmed in smurf skin. A full interior retrim in something much more tasteful is booked in for next month to put that right - photos to follow end of July.
When I've gotten to know the car better, I'll write a full review - warts 'n all with some detailed pictures.
L33
I think a large part of this site's newer members motto is: Pistonheads - Badge and driving aids matter.
If I could, this is just about the only supercar I would buy. A monumental vehicle.
Atmospheric said:
L33 said:
I'm pissing myself laughing at some of the comments some folk clearly need educating.
I've had the car back for 2 weeks now and I'm smitten. Again.
For those who don't understand and see the M600 as a kit car, take a look at my profile and consider some of the other toys I've had recently - the M600 is a monumental step forward from anything else I've ever owned. The M600 gives an undiluted anologue driving experience that's hard to beat. Sure - I'd rather have a Mclaren F1, Ferrari F40, F50, or a Porsche Carrera GT, but realistically I doubt I'll ever be in a position to
If you are joining this thread late, I previously took the time to write an in depth post on why I love the car so much - You'll find it on page 6 of this thread.
The only negative i currently have about the car is that the interior currently hurts my eyes. It looks as if every inch available has been trimmed in smurf skin. A full interior retrim in something much more tasteful is booked in for next month to put that right - photos to follow end of July.
When I've gotten to know the car better, I'll write a full review - warts 'n all with some detailed pictures.
L33
Fantastic. some folk clearly need educating. I've had the car back for 2 weeks now and I'm smitten. Again.
For those who don't understand and see the M600 as a kit car, take a look at my profile and consider some of the other toys I've had recently - the M600 is a monumental step forward from anything else I've ever owned. The M600 gives an undiluted anologue driving experience that's hard to beat. Sure - I'd rather have a Mclaren F1, Ferrari F40, F50, or a Porsche Carrera GT, but realistically I doubt I'll ever be in a position to
If you are joining this thread late, I previously took the time to write an in depth post on why I love the car so much - You'll find it on page 6 of this thread.
The only negative i currently have about the car is that the interior currently hurts my eyes. It looks as if every inch available has been trimmed in smurf skin. A full interior retrim in something much more tasteful is booked in for next month to put that right - photos to follow end of July.
When I've gotten to know the car better, I'll write a full review - warts 'n all with some detailed pictures.
L33
I think a large part of this site's newer members motto is: Pistonheads - Badge and driving aids matter.
If I could, this is just about the only supercar I would buy. A monumental vehicle.
Or the equally mental Ascari A10
I'm not one to get into the b
hing but using 'kit car' as derogatory is a bit old fashioned now. I'm sure there are still some bad ones out there, but let's not forget what a car the Ultima is, holding all sorts of records. And, for those who didn't know, two of them were used as test mules in the creation of the McLaren F1. Not a bad claim!
I've owned two Noble M12s over 10 years and I'm smitten. In the US they were kits to pass US regulations, but I don't have a problem with that. I'll also admit the build quality and multiple parts bin usage from Ford make it a bit 'kit', but what's wrong with Ford parts/engines? They did a good job in the GT40 & Cobra! Neither of my M12s have ever had engine problems and I put 60,000 miles on my first one. It was ancillaries that failed, like turbos and manifolds etc.
So onto the M600. It's a serious performer, we all know that. The build quality is NOT kit. Volvo engine? And what's wrong with that? It does the job and is no doubt reliable, so another unnecessary put down. Would I buy one given the opportunity? I'd like to think so, especially as I like something a bit different. The M12 is different and makes people ask about it. I like the underdog. But I do have a problem with the M600 and it's an odd one. It's about loyalty. The M12 put Noble on the map, it was a giant slaying, affordable super car built in a shed. That meant ordinary folk could get their hands on one. Now of course, those buyers have been pushed to one side for the bankers and footballers. It probably is not like that, but that's what it looks like to me. The stillborn M15 is the car the M600 should have been in my opinion. It looked virtually the same as the M600, performance would have been better than the M12 but the top speed not as high as the M600. But critically it would have cost around £75k. Not unrealistic.
I'm sure I'll be put straight shortly and I'm open to a change of opinion if you can convince me.
hing but using 'kit car' as derogatory is a bit old fashioned now. I'm sure there are still some bad ones out there, but let's not forget what a car the Ultima is, holding all sorts of records. And, for those who didn't know, two of them were used as test mules in the creation of the McLaren F1. Not a bad claim! I've owned two Noble M12s over 10 years and I'm smitten. In the US they were kits to pass US regulations, but I don't have a problem with that. I'll also admit the build quality and multiple parts bin usage from Ford make it a bit 'kit', but what's wrong with Ford parts/engines? They did a good job in the GT40 & Cobra! Neither of my M12s have ever had engine problems and I put 60,000 miles on my first one. It was ancillaries that failed, like turbos and manifolds etc.
So onto the M600. It's a serious performer, we all know that. The build quality is NOT kit. Volvo engine? And what's wrong with that? It does the job and is no doubt reliable, so another unnecessary put down. Would I buy one given the opportunity? I'd like to think so, especially as I like something a bit different. The M12 is different and makes people ask about it. I like the underdog. But I do have a problem with the M600 and it's an odd one. It's about loyalty. The M12 put Noble on the map, it was a giant slaying, affordable super car built in a shed. That meant ordinary folk could get their hands on one. Now of course, those buyers have been pushed to one side for the bankers and footballers. It probably is not like that, but that's what it looks like to me. The stillborn M15 is the car the M600 should have been in my opinion. It looked virtually the same as the M600, performance would have been better than the M12 but the top speed not as high as the M600. But critically it would have cost around £75k. Not unrealistic.
I'm sure I'll be put straight shortly and I'm open to a change of opinion if you can convince me.
bernhund said:
I'm not one to get into the bhing but using 'kit car' as derogatory is a bit old fashioned now. I'm sure there are still some bad ones out there, but let's not forget what a car the Ultima is, holding all sorts of records. And, for those who didn't know, two of them were used as test mules in the creation of the McLaren F1. Not a bad claim!
I've owned two Noble M12s over 10 years and I'm smitten. In the US they were kits to pass US regulations, but I don't have a problem with that. I'll also admit the build quality and multiple parts bin usage from Ford make it a bit 'kit', but what's wrong with Ford parts/engines? They did a good job in the GT40 & Cobra! Neither of my M12s have ever had engine problems and I put 60,000 miles on my first one. It was ancillaries that failed, like turbos and manifolds etc.
So onto the M600. It's a serious performer, we all know that. The build quality is NOT kit. Volvo engine? And what's wrong with that? It does the job and is no doubt reliable, so another unnecessary put down. Would I buy one given the opportunity? I'd like to think so, especially as I like something a bit different. The M12 is different and makes people ask about it. I like the underdog. But I do have a problem with the M600 and it's an odd one. It's about loyalty. The M12 put Noble on the map, it was a giant slaying, affordable super car built in a shed. That meant ordinary folk could get their hands on one. Now of course, those buyers have been pushed to one side for the bankers and footballers. It probably is not like that, but that's what it looks like to me. The stillborn M15 is the car the M600 should have been in my opinion. It looked virtually the same as the M600, performance would have been better than the M12 but the top speed not as high as the M600. But critically it would have cost around £75k. Not unrealistic.
I'm sure I'll be put straight shortly and I'm open to a change of opinion if you can convince me.
I agree. There is nothing wrong with the use of the Volvo/Yamaha (derived, before any of the sicophants jump up and down) engine, the Corsa Mirrors or any of the switch gear no doubt borrowed from other manufacturers, it all make sense given the volumes expected.hing but using 'kit car' as derogatory is a bit old fashioned now. I'm sure there are still some bad ones out there, but let's not forget what a car the Ultima is, holding all sorts of records. And, for those who didn't know, two of them were used as test mules in the creation of the McLaren F1. Not a bad claim! I've owned two Noble M12s over 10 years and I'm smitten. In the US they were kits to pass US regulations, but I don't have a problem with that. I'll also admit the build quality and multiple parts bin usage from Ford make it a bit 'kit', but what's wrong with Ford parts/engines? They did a good job in the GT40 & Cobra! Neither of my M12s have ever had engine problems and I put 60,000 miles on my first one. It was ancillaries that failed, like turbos and manifolds etc.
So onto the M600. It's a serious performer, we all know that. The build quality is NOT kit. Volvo engine? And what's wrong with that? It does the job and is no doubt reliable, so another unnecessary put down. Would I buy one given the opportunity? I'd like to think so, especially as I like something a bit different. The M12 is different and makes people ask about it. I like the underdog. But I do have a problem with the M600 and it's an odd one. It's about loyalty. The M12 put Noble on the map, it was a giant slaying, affordable super car built in a shed. That meant ordinary folk could get their hands on one. Now of course, those buyers have been pushed to one side for the bankers and footballers. It probably is not like that, but that's what it looks like to me. The stillborn M15 is the car the M600 should have been in my opinion. It looked virtually the same as the M600, performance would have been better than the M12 but the top speed not as high as the M600. But critically it would have cost around £75k. Not unrealistic.
I'm sure I'll be put straight shortly and I'm open to a change of opinion if you can convince me.
But, and you've hit the nail on the head, it starts to look comical at the RRP.
The earlier cars, to use your terminology, were "a giant slayer built in a shed" which was great, they were built to a price that worked.
But, at the RRP, the M600 is, IMO, made to look very ambitiously priced by the more established competition.
My perception, and I may be wrong, is that they have sold very few M600s. If the amount sold matches Noble's business model, then that's fine. A niche model that won't appeal to everyone but sell enough to prove to be a viable business model. Bearing in mind, the M600 was introduced in 2009.
It looks hopelessly overpriced in my eyes.
As I've said
sjc said:
The M14 wouldn't have cost 75k.... That's what Lee Noble said ....then realised it was impossible.
Get your point about going into a different market though.
But even at another £25k, the M14 would still have cost half the price of the M600. The M600 has generated many and fiery discussions, usually about the price as there's no denying it's ability. The probability is that all the amateur commentators know nothing about the costs of hand built production and it's probably higher than they think. But nonetheless, a quarter of a million for a car built by a company with no race history that's only ever built one model so far (I don't count new Noble as being the same company as old Noble), is a massive gamble. Again, I don't know anything about their accounts, but it's the kind of company you'd expect to go to the wall (hopefully not because we need this kind of company) and if they do, where does that leave the owners? Get your point about going into a different market though.
On the whole though, if they can sell half a dozen cars a year to make the same profit as 100 cheaper cars, then good luck to them! They're at every show and that costs, as do the wages and all the other overheads. They're working smarter not harder!
TuxMan said:
Great to meet up with Lee and his awesome M600 today at Jetstream Motorsport , had the pleasure of a passenger ride around the bruntingthorpe test track , car breezed up to 180mph in the blink of a eye , simply stunning !!
Hi mine runs 650bhp on full boost but only 450ftlb of torque with a lot more aero so not as quick in a straight line as Lee's M600 but I suspect over a full lap of somewhere like Silverstone GP it would be a lot closer .
The main difference is the comfort and drivability , mine is virtually a full on race car so is pretty horrible to drive on the road where as the M600 I. Sure will be lovely !!
The main difference is the comfort and drivability , mine is virtually a full on race car so is pretty horrible to drive on the road where as the M600 I. Sure will be lovely !!
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