RE: The Toyota GT86 is more relevant than ever: TMIW
Discussion
daemon said:
The 370Z is 1466KG, and the GT86 is lightweight, as opposed to the 370Z being "too heavy".
Its also worth noting that on pretty much any track where data is available for both cars the 370Z is considerably faster round them.
We ran one for a couple of years and whilst i'd never describe it as "nimble" it was still seriously quick along cross country driving routes.
I'm not surprised. That power advantage is hard to look past for outright track speed, but it's still not really what I'm after. I'd go lighter rather than more powerful given the choice.Its also worth noting that on pretty much any track where data is available for both cars the 370Z is considerably faster round them.
We ran one for a couple of years and whilst i'd never describe it as "nimble" it was still seriously quick along cross country driving routes.
Flibble said:
daemon said:
The 370Z is 1466KG, and the GT86 is lightweight, as opposed to the 370Z being "too heavy".
Its also worth noting that on pretty much any track where data is available for both cars the 370Z is considerably faster round them.
We ran one for a couple of years and whilst i'd never describe it as "nimble" it was still seriously quick along cross country driving routes.
I'm not surprised. That power advantage is hard to look past for outright track speed, but it's still not really what I'm after. I'd go lighter rather than more powerful given the choice.Its also worth noting that on pretty much any track where data is available for both cars the 370Z is considerably faster round them.
We ran one for a couple of years and whilst i'd never describe it as "nimble" it was still seriously quick along cross country driving routes.
jamoor said:
I think another thing people are missing on this thread is price aside, the car is designed from the ground up to be modified by its owners.
https://youtu.be/_apBpbUbf9g?t=7s
I suspect that's why it's a bit underpowered as they expect owners to turbocharge it (if they want) or change to bigger wheels etc.
The basics such as low centre of gravity cannot be added by aftermarket modifications.
For the UK market, modifying a car is not really the thing. Of course it does happen, but it isn't mainstream or overly common and usually not on new/newish cars. Insurance is generally anti modifying and even the manufacturers warranty. I don't know how Toyota and Subaru UK stand on the subject, but I'd be quite surprised if they welcomed and endorsed modified vehicles while still in the warranty period.https://youtu.be/_apBpbUbf9g?t=7s
I suspect that's why it's a bit underpowered as they expect owners to turbocharge it (if they want) or change to bigger wheels etc.
The basics such as low centre of gravity cannot be added by aftermarket modifications.
Edited by jamoor on Tuesday 23 May 14:19
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Tuesday 23 May 16:33
anonymous said:
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I wonder if there will be a larger proportion of owners keeping (and then modifying) them beyond the warranty - the PCP offers weren't particularly good, so there may be a larger than usual proportion who have either financed it privately over a longer period or who will get to three years owning the thing in full.anonymous said:
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Completely agree with this entire post.Yes...if the power delivery was linear, and it didn't sound like a buckets of bolts, and it sounded like it actually enjoyed being redlined, the package would have been fine even with the current outputs. The FA20 deserves to be unloved. It's a nasty engine. It's a boat anchor.
And apparently Subaru wanted to build it as a 2.5 but Toyota wanted to have a 86mm x 86mm bore/stoke. Seriously! I figure that would have given the car an unstressed 165kw/240nm. I think that would have made all the difference.
anonymous said:
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Cmoose, how many cars are available to buy new in the UK with 4 cylinder (or even 6 cylinder) naturally aspirated engines making more than 200bhp?If Toyota can't even add engine revisions giving an extra 5bhp to the EU models due to Euro 6 non compliance then your constant droning on about higher powered NA variants is thoroughly pointless.
I'm inclined to agree. It feels as if the only way to get a high revving NA engine now is in compromised form, which owners then need to spend a little dosh on to make it how it should be (e.g. exhaust/remap etc on GT86s and MX5s).
It's only a little extra the GT86 needs, which seems to be attainable with headers, part de-cat and remap. £1500 all in?
It's only a little extra the GT86 needs, which seems to be attainable with headers, part de-cat and remap. £1500 all in?
You didn't answer my question about engines, so I'll answer it for you.
Excluding very expensive Porsches the only currently for sale car with an NA 4 or 6 cylinder engine making above 200bhp is the 370Z unit. This unit is known for being gruff, unwilling to rev and doesn't make anywhere near the specific output you are asking for (~100bhp/litre).
Excluding very expensive Porsches the only currently for sale car with an NA 4 or 6 cylinder engine making above 200bhp is the 370Z unit. This unit is known for being gruff, unwilling to rev and doesn't make anywhere near the specific output you are asking for (~100bhp/litre).
Olivera said:
You didn't answer my question about engines, so I'll answer it for you.
Excluding very expensive Porsches the only currently for sale car with an NA 4 or 6 cylinder engine making above 200bhp is the 370Z unit. This unit is known for being gruff, unwilling to rev and doesn't make anywhere near the specific output you are asking for (~100bhp/litre).
Not true, the Camaro can be had with the 3.6 V6 n/a and 335bhp and I'm sure on the world market there are plenty of other n/a engines out there still.Excluding very expensive Porsches the only currently for sale car with an NA 4 or 6 cylinder engine making above 200bhp is the 370Z unit. This unit is known for being gruff, unwilling to rev and doesn't make anywhere near the specific output you are asking for (~100bhp/litre).
Olivera said:
I've looked up the Camaro UK site and there are two engines listed, a 2 litre turbo 4 and a V8.
As I've said many many times, the UK market is not the World... there are other countries too 
The fact they don't offer it here, is more a sign of the times and nothing to do with emissions, as generally the US has stricter emissions than we do.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-chevrolet...
http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-sports-car
anonymous said:
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Which model was that? I can't find any 2.7 Porsches with over 270ps. Another 50bhp on the GT86 would be 125bhp/l which is 911 GT3 levels of specific output. So it's probably possible to do it with Euro6 compliance, but how much would it cost? Realistically, I think the only way you would get that extra 50bhp would be through additional displacement. That's fine, but you'd also be looking at higher CO2/fuel consumption and the related taxes. Would everything else be sufficient, for OEM standards of "sufficient", or would it mean heavier braking and driveline components?
300bhp/ton said:
The fact they don't offer it here, is more a sign of the times and nothing to do with emissions, as generally the US has stricter emissions than we do.
Not sure it's as simple as "stricter" - different testing regimes with different emphases result in different engineering solutions.otolith said:
Not sure it's as simple as "stricter" - different testing regimes with different emphases result in different engineering solutions.
Yes but usually results in stricter. Always has been. Essentially if it Type Approved from an emissions stand point in ge USA. Then it could be here too. 
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