Police pull over 'two abrest' cyclists - argument ensues
Discussion
twoblacklines said:
Mave said:
You obviously knew it was a question because in your response you said "in answer to your question"!
So you knew it was a question then, you know it's a question now, please can you answer it. Is it dangerous to go through a red light if it's clearly sighted for miles and there's no-one around?
No snowflake, I answered WinstonWolf's question, which was clearly understood by him as he quoted me.So you knew it was a question then, you know it's a question now, please can you answer it. Is it dangerous to go through a red light if it's clearly sighted for miles and there's no-one around?
You didn't ask a question, you made a statement, hence your exclamation mark.
Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
WinstonWolf said:
twoblacklines said:
Mave said:
You obviously knew it was a question because in your response you said "in answer to your question"!
So you knew it was a question then, you know it's a question now, please can you answer it. Is it dangerous to go through a red light if it's clearly sighted for miles and there's no-one around?
No snowflake, I answered WinstonWolf's question, which was clearly understood by him as he quoted me.So you knew it was a question then, you know it's a question now, please can you answer it. Is it dangerous to go through a red light if it's clearly sighted for miles and there's no-one around?
You didn't ask a question, you made a statement, hence your exclamation mark.
Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
WinstonWolf said:
And you still haven't answered the question, presumably because you know it's perfectly safe to go through the red light in the example posted.
Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
Personally I would stop at the traffic light you say you skip. I stop at all traffic lights no matter how inconvinient that means the journey is for me.Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
So on the flipside is it acceptable for cars to go through red traffic lights when the driver deems safe also?
And a question, would you still skip them when you deem safe to do so if bicycles had number plates and so could be captured doing so like cars can be?
twoblacklines said:
Personally I would stop at the traffic light you say you skip. I stop at all traffic lights no matter how inconvinient that means the journey is for me.
So on the flipside is it acceptable for cars to go through red traffic lights when the driver deems safe also?
And a question, would you still skip them when you deem safe to do so if bicycles had number plates and so could be captured doing so like cars can be?
So if a set of lights are broken and stuck on red you'll starve to death?So on the flipside is it acceptable for cars to go through red traffic lights when the driver deems safe also?
And a question, would you still skip them when you deem safe to do so if bicycles had number plates and so could be captured doing so like cars can be?
The lights at the end of my road don't trigger on a bike. If its early morning then I stop, ride forward to the junction and turn right when I see it is clear, perfectly safe.
twoblacklines said:
WinstonWolf said:
And you still haven't answered the question, presumably because you know it's perfectly safe to go through the red light in the example posted.
Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
Personally I would stop at the traffic light you say you skip. I stop at all traffic lights no matter how inconvinient that means the journey is for me.Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
So on the flipside is it acceptable for cars to go through red traffic lights when the driver deems safe also?
And a question, would you still skip them when you deem safe to do so if bicycles had number plates and so could be captured doing so like cars can be?
Mave said:
twoblacklines said:
WinstonWolf said:
And you still haven't answered the question, presumably because you know it's perfectly safe to go through the red light in the example posted.
Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
Personally I would stop at the traffic light you say you skip. I stop at all traffic lights no matter how inconvinient that means the journey is for me.Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
So on the flipside is it acceptable for cars to go through red traffic lights when the driver deems safe also?
And a question, would you still skip them when you deem safe to do so if bicycles had number plates and so could be captured doing so like cars can be?
twoblacklines said:
Mave said:
twoblacklines said:
WinstonWolf said:
And you still haven't answered the question, presumably because you know it's perfectly safe to go through the red light in the example posted.
Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
Personally I would stop at the traffic light you say you skip. I stop at all traffic lights no matter how inconvinient that means the journey is for me.Who doesn't speed a bit when it's perfectly safe? We all do it but we don't get our panties in a bunch because it's *us* doing it not *them*.
So on the flipside is it acceptable for cars to go through red traffic lights when the driver deems safe also?
And a question, would you still skip them when you deem safe to do so if bicycles had number plates and so could be captured doing so like cars can be?
Just an observation, the question has been answered, quite satisfactorily, albeit maybe not by TBL.
DoubleD said:
I know i keep repeating this, but........Sometimes doing something illegal is safe and sometimes its not.
Now for crying out loud, and at risk of sending the irony meter to full scale deflection, will people cease being so deliberately fricking confrontational and trying to use an extreme edge / outlier case to try and make a point which is not really relevant to anyone not in deepest nowhere some miles outside Spalding, which itself is in darkest nothingland, unless you grow carrots or tulips, then it's a heaving metropolis.FiF said:
Just an observation, the question has been answered, quite satisfactorily, albeit maybe not by TBL.
People from Spalding think Pinchbeck is the arse end of nowhere, people from Pinchbeck think West Pinchbeck is the arse end of nowhere. People from West Pinchbeck etc...DoubleD said:
I know i keep repeating this, but........Sometimes doing something illegal is safe and sometimes its not.
Now for crying out loud, and at risk of sending the irony meter to full scale deflection, will people cease being so deliberately fricking confrontational and trying to use an extreme edge / outlier case to try and make a point which is not really relevant to anyone not in deepest nowhere some miles outside Spalding, which itself is in darkest nothingland, unless you grow carrots or tulips, then it's a heaving metropolis.It's about context, my definition of going through a red light is vastly different to someone else's
FiF said:
Just an observation, the question has been answered, quite satisfactorily, albeit maybe not by TBL.
Firstly, that does not answer the question. DoubleDs answer is generic, rather than specific to the scenario. DoubleD said:
I know i keep repeating this, but........Sometimes doing something illegal is safe and sometimes its not.
Now for crying out loud, and at risk of sending the irony meter to full scale deflection, will people cease being so deliberately fricking confrontational and trying to use an extreme edge / outlier case to try and make a point which is not really relevant to anyone not in deepest nowhere some miles outside Spalding, which itself is in darkest nothingland, unless you grow carrots or tulips, then it's a heaving metropolis.Secondly, I want TBL to answer the question. He made a statement that I disagree with therefore it's him I want to discuss it with. I want to know exactly what he thinks is dangerous about going through a red light in that particular scenario.
Maybe if people were actually prepared to discuss the things they post then these threads wouldn't go on for so long.
Edited by Mave on Thursday 24th August 09:23
Mave said:
FiF said:
Just an observation, the question has been answered, quite satisfactorily, albeit maybe not by TBL.
Firstly, that does not answer the question. DoubleDs answer is generic, rather than specific to the scenario. DoubleD said:
I know i keep repeating this, but........Sometimes doing something illegal is safe and sometimes its not.
Now for crying out loud, and at risk of sending the irony meter to full scale deflection, will people cease being so deliberately fricking confrontational and trying to use an extreme edge / outlier case to try and make a point which is not really relevant to anyone not in deepest nowhere some miles outside Spalding, which itself is in darkest nothingland, unless you grow carrots or tulips, then it's a heaving metropolis.Secondly, I want TBL to answer the question. He made a statement that I disagree with therefore it's him I want to discuss it with. I want to know exactly what he thinks is dangerous about going through a red light in that particular scenario.
Maybe if people were actually prepared to discuss the things they post then these threads wouldn't go on for so long.
Edited by Mave on Thursday 24th August 09:23
As said before, this approach constantly spoils the thread, and so many others. No doubt you won't agree, frankly don't care.
FiF said:
So reverting to type then, being deliberately confrontational to make a edge point.
As said before, this approach constantly spoils the thread, and so many others. No doubt you won't agree, frankly don't care.
No I don't agree.As said before, this approach constantly spoils the thread, and so many others. No doubt you won't agree, frankly don't care.
Challenging someone's opinion isn't the same as being confrontational. I've asked a perfectly valid question in response to a statement I disagree with, and done so without resorting to insults.
If you don't like posters making "edge points" then maybe you should take that up with the posters making "edge statements" in the first place, not the posters calling them out on it.
If anyone's confrontational, it's the poster who resorts to calling people "retarded or just blind" rather than responding to a simple question.
Edited by Mave on Thursday 24th August 11:45
Mave said:
No I don't agree.
Challenging someone's opinion isn't the same as being confrontational. I've asked a perfectly valid question in response to a statement I disagree with, and done so without resorting to insults.
If you don't like posters making "edge points" then maybe you should take that up with the posters making "edge statements" in the first place, not the posters calling them out on it.
If anyone's confrontational, it's the poster who resorts to calling people "retarded or just blind" rather than responding to a simple question.
Don't agree. Challenging someone's opinion isn't the same as being confrontational. I've asked a perfectly valid question in response to a statement I disagree with, and done so without resorting to insults.
If you don't like posters making "edge points" then maybe you should take that up with the posters making "edge statements" in the first place, not the posters calling them out on it.
If anyone's confrontational, it's the poster who resorts to calling people "retarded or just blind" rather than responding to a simple question.
Edited by Mave on Thursday 24th August 11:45
As for taking up the original poster, done, several times, no sensible progresson there, so seeing as that edge point has been leapt on with alacrity by another, and brought up again and again, in an attempt, according my perception from previous observations, to create a confrontation then that second poster deserves to be challenged. To which your response seems to be, shrug, not my point, ask them. Then there is surprise when people aren't impressed, repeatedly unimpressed.
Going to have to continue to disagree it seems.
FiF said:
Don't agree.
As for taking up the original poster, done, several times, no sensible progresson there, so seeing as that edge point has been leapt on with alacrity by another, and brought up again and again, in an attempt, according my perception from previous observations, to create a confrontation then that second poster deserves to be challenged. To which your response seems to be, shrug, not my point, ask them. Then there is surprise when people aren't impressed, repeatedly unimpressed.
Going to have to continue to disagree it seems.
Feel free to disagree. I'm repeatedly unimpressed by the fact that few people challenge some of the outrageously biased statements made by some on these threads but instead pounce on the people doing the challenging. Almost is if they'd rather a daily mail echo chamber than a discussion.As for taking up the original poster, done, several times, no sensible progresson there, so seeing as that edge point has been leapt on with alacrity by another, and brought up again and again, in an attempt, according my perception from previous observations, to create a confrontation then that second poster deserves to be challenged. To which your response seems to be, shrug, not my point, ask them. Then there is surprise when people aren't impressed, repeatedly unimpressed.
Going to have to continue to disagree it seems.
If you actually want to contribute the discussion, maybe you should start playing the ball not the man.
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