Nurburgring new record, P1LM with Kenny Brack

[ecsrobin]

A rapid lap of 6min 43.2 and then they drove home via the tunnel!!

https://youtu.be/U4UD2N0EAdo

And great driving from Kenny Brack amazing to think he's survived the largest recorded G during his crash all them years ago and survived.

[PowerslideSWE]

Fkn hell, that was fast. Not a perfect lap tho, what happened out of Adenauer Forst? Looks like he lost boost almost, or made a mistake, shook his head a little Fiddling with the settings and steering with one hand down the straight aswell at the end, finger hard on the DRS button I assume.

[dvs_dave]

That turbo blow-off sound is bonkers. Sounds like a steam engine chuffing away back there!

[anonymous-user]

30 seconds slower than Bellof!... ha ha ha!

[GroundEffect]

200mph down to Aremberg

[Rich_W]

Now watch the old McLaren Automotive video where they showed no on board lap and claimed they'd broken 7m but wouldn't say the time. (As many suspected because they didn't beat the 918 time)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa4aL6Kkv6w

All looks a bit sad next to the LM boys effort



Massive, MASSIVE respect to Lanzante for developing an amazing car and a brilliant video.

[Steven_RW]

Big discussion on YouTube about what happened at Adenaur Forst (Spl?!).

People saying he forgot it was straight after that right (which is sighted)... I'm saying anyone fast enough to set a lap record knows the track well enough... I just can't believe a pro driver would forget the track.

[Rich_W]

Steven_RW said:

Big discussion on YouTube about what happened at Adenaur Forst (Spl?!).

People saying he forgot it was straight after that right (which is sighted)... I'm saying anyone fast enough to set a lap record knows the track well enough... I just can't believe a pro driver would forget the track.

https://youtu.be/U4UD2N0EAdo?t=1m41s


I is odd isn't it

I think he just catches the car off boost. I think you can see he nails the throttle and there's a delay

[Steven_RW]

Yeah and he has some weird track positioning too on the exit.

My initial reaction was the car has some sort of fluff and it didn't give him power so he pulled to the right off the racing line whilst he either sorted out the issue or worked out if he was going to continue with the lap then off it then goes again.

I'd really like someone who had the inside track to confirm.

[Rich_W]

Steven_RW said:

Yeah and he has some weird track positioning too on the exit.

My initial reaction was the car has some sort of fluff and it didn't give him power so he pulled to the right off the racing line whilst he either sorted out the issue or worked out if he was going to continue with the lap then off it then goes again.

I'd really like someone who had the inside track to confirm.

I think you're right on the pulling off line thing. That's ingrained in racers isn't it. Thinks he has a problem pulls over.

Here's my suggestion

When McLaren themselves went to the Ring with the "normal" P1 and their helicopter to film it. The rumour at the time was that the laptime was estimated because the battery power couldn't keep up for the whole lap. It discharged it all too soon so at the end of the lap it was running just on the engine and not the motors doing the "torque fill" As a result there wasn't 1 complete fast lap. So they added together the 2 or 3 sections to get the time. Which was always going to be under 7m, but it grated that they didn't do what Porsche did with their car. (or numerouis other manufacturers over the years)

From the videos of the LM at the Ring it seems Brack was pounding round doing multiple laps so perhaps/maybe/not at all there was no battery left on that lap as he came out of the right. And its just more noticeable there than other corners. Maybe as the car has evolved into GTR and then LM, McLaren/ Lanzante have tweaked the harvesting to get the battery where they need it to be for a whole lap.

[Joratk]

Looked like he was maybe considering scrapping the lap and was going to slow down then just that time turbos spooled and off he went. My first thought was he was a gear too high but he was in second. Strange... Would be cool if he could clear it up himself.

[MitchT]

ecsrobin said:

And great driving from Kenny Brack amazing to think he's survived the largest recorded G during his crash all them years ago and survived.

Amazing indeed. A video detailing his injuries: https://youtu.be/iPQY2x-5d1E

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Joratk said:

Looked like he was maybe considering scrapping the lap and was going to slow down then just that time turbos spooled and off he went. My first thought was he was a gear too high but he was in second. Strange... Would be cool if he could clear it up himself.

The car got the wrong gear.

[bloomen]

God I'm bored of these things. Let's have a new metric to get hard over.

[Steven_RW]

bloomen said:

God I'm bored of these things. Let's have a new metric to get hard over.

Bored of watching a car do 200mph on the approach to schwedenkreuz? The speed through fuchsröhre? The twitch the car took just before angst kurve? This particular video to me was class. You could feel the car moving around which to me meant it was exciting.

Whether it is the key measure is neither here nor there. Having driven the track I can (just about...) imagine what that must be like. Brain blasting.

RW

[ukaskew]

It might just be me, but if anything this just paints the 918 in an even better light.

The P1 LM is a race car effectively, yes your granny could drive it to Waitrose, but she'd hate the lack of rear view, drive it into the trolley park and lose an eye on the rear wing every time she walks past it.

The 918 looks (and apparently goes) like a normal road car at normal road car speeds and seems to be relatively practical in comparison.

That it barely dropped a second per mile against the P1 LM is pretty impressive really. I guess there is a serious case of diminishing returns (compounded by the fleshy bit behind the wheel) for a road legal car.

[Steven_RW]

ukaskew said:

It might just be me, but if anything this just paints the 918 in an even better light.

The 918 looks (and apparently goes) like a normal road car at normal road car speeds and seems to be relatively practical in comparison.
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In boring geeky fashion, I had already put the 918 video against this P1 LM video. Started them at the same point and watched the difference. Every so often I re-synched otherwise you can't see the exact points the P1 is making its progress. I came to the same conclusion that the 918 is MEGA competent and stable when you watch the lap. There is less sawing at the wheel and whilst it is only a matter of a few seconds, the P1 is clearly pulling away hard on the faster bits. The 918 seems to be able to deploy its power very well but once you get into the drag race sections the P1 has more. Both are being driven to their limits but as said, the Porsche just looks more nailed and "better damped" if that would mean less bobbing around. It is hardly like you can say the P1 is badly damped especially with the insane lap time. I guess maybe we are talking about ride quality or something similar.

RW

[Atomic12C]

Steven_RW said:

In boring geeky fashion, I had already put the 918 video against this P1 LM video. Started them at the same point and watched the difference. Every so often I re-synched otherwise you can't see the exact points the P1 is making its progress. I came to the same conclusion that the 918 is MEGA competent and stable when you watch the lap. There is less sawing at the wheel and whilst it is only a matter of a few seconds, the P1 is clearly pulling away hard on the faster bits. The 918 seems to be able to deploy its power very well but once you get into the drag race sections the P1 has more. Both are being driven to their limits but as said, the Porsche just looks more nailed and "better damped" if that would mean less bobbing around. It is hardly like you can say the P1 is badly damped especially with the insane lap time. I guess maybe we are talking about ride quality or something similar.

RW

4WD will generally produce less sawing at the wheel and at a track such as the bumpy Nurburgring, 4WD will always give a bit more confidence when on full traction limited power.

But car capability is one thing, driving experience is another.
If it were me, I think I'd find the P1 much more entertaining on a track than something that doesn't need much driver input.

All things considered though, all of these recent hyper cars do look immense and have stratospheric levels of performance. Very impressive.

[Steven_RW]

Atomic12C said:

4WD will generally produce less sawing at the wheel and at a track such as the bumpy Nurburgring, 4WD will always give a bit more confidence when on full traction limited power.

But car capability is one thing, driving experience is another.
If it were me, I think I'd find the P1 much more entertaining on a track than something that doesn't need much driver input.

All things considered though, all of these recent hyper cars do look immense and have stratospheric levels of performance. Very impressive.

I hear those points and I have driven low 8s in my tommi mak evo 6 and an evo 8 and my e46 m3 and Z4m so have a bit of experience of both scenarios.

If you have a minute you should watch both laps and look at how generally more stable the 918 looks. The horizon just doesn't bob around the same way IMO. May be related to the weight difference in the cars?

Like you say, mega fast cars and at this point you just have to choose the one that fits the bill and makes you smile. Watching Chris Harris round Yas Marinas (spl?!) made me fall eternally in love with the P1 in that midnight purple.. it just looked wild.

However then you get Flemke saying he would park up a P1, drive off in his mates 918 and never want the P1 back, which is quite interesting too :-)

RW

[Atomic12C]

Steven_RW said:

I hear those points and I have driven low 8s in my tommi mak evo 6 and an evo 8 and my e46 m3 and Z4m so have a bit of experience of both scenarios.

If you have a minute you should watch both laps and look at how generally more stable the 918 looks. The horizon just doesn't bob around the same way IMO. May be related to the weight difference in the cars?

Like you say, mega fast cars and at this point you just have to choose the one that fits the bill and makes you smile. Watching Chris Harris round Yas Marinas (spl?!) made me fall eternally in love with the P1 in that midnight purple.. it just looked wild.

However then you get Flemke saying he would park up a P1, drive off in his mates 918 and never want the P1 back, which is quite interesting too :-)

RW

Also done a few laps at the 'ring in an EVO 6 - nice cars.
I did those laps in the wet and it was great fun. (No AYC on the RSII's )

In the past I've also driven F360, Gallardo and also my current weapon of choice, my McLaren 12C at the Nurburging and it does go without saying that weight and suspension setup make a huge difference on that track.
The N'ring provides more or less the most extreme conditions a car is likely to see in its lifetime, which is the primary reason performance cars are tested there.

Suspension loading along with shock impacts from the bumps really does reverberate in to the car's stability at speed on the n'ring and small differences in suspension setup, weight, tyres etc. etc. make a large difference to the resulting package.

The P1 does seem to be more track focused (also like I say, more entertaining) and if that is where you want your money to go then it a winner on that front (IMO of course).
The 918 is where your money goes for a better all rounder, something more refined, comfortable and practical. I can see why Flemke would have that opinion that you mention of.

Had the pleasure of being driven in a P1 and a 918, although not at any speed, but it was clear to me the difference in design focus between the two cars.
People often read they are just one of the so called "holy trinity" and then assume they are just the same thing with a different badge. But they are quite different indeed.

p.s.
The midnight purple P1 is indeed a fantastic looking machine