Jaguar Land Rover
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alpha channel said:
Yes but it was asymmetric for a reason, now?
That's not quite right. The asymmetric tailgate on the S1 and S2 were partly linked to the spare being hung on the tailgate (and a token gesture at getting ever more glass and visibility - maybe tenuous to claim functional but there is an argument). But the S3 and S4 which everyone now says they miss had no functional need at all - it was purely styling.That said, the new Disco tailgate is a bit of a dogs dinner, I'm expecting a model year improvement pretty sharpish.
craigjm said:
VGTICE said:
Jazzy Jag said:
VGTICE said:
I'd had some Fords in the naughties - Mondeos and such - so that counts as having a Jaguar I reckon?
yeah, I had a Fiat Uno once so that counts as having a Ferrari I reckon.I had a Golf so by association had a Bugatti Veyron, too.
surveyor said:
Yes it did. Room for number-plate on left. Shorter overhang on right to give you a chance of reaching something in the boot without climbing in. No overhang problems as they have done away with most of the useful drop down ledge.
Room to put a number plate anywhere with a symmetrical tailgate. And the 2 inch joggle in the lower tailgate made little or no difference to access. Split tailgate in principle was functional, but not the asymmetric styling of it.craigjm said:
And exactly how many Jaguars were based on a direct Ford equivalent not counting parts bin sharing because if we do that then the above quote actually stands. I count one, the X-type.
Technically two, if you look at Ford's other brands. The S-Type and X250 XF shared the DEW98 platform with the Lincoln LS.
legless said:
craigjm said:
And exactly how many Jaguars were based on a direct Ford equivalent not counting parts bin sharing because if we do that then the above quote actually stands. I count one, the X-type.
Technically two, if you look at Ford's other brands. The S-Type and X250 XF shared the DEW98 platform with the Lincoln LS.
The poster that said he had driven 90s Fords and therefore could say he had driven Jaguars knows that the Ford jibe winds up many Jaguar fans and was using it for that impact and nothing more.
I was shocked on a recent trip to a JLR dealership just how poor the QC was on some of the cars in the showroom. Wonky stitching across the dashboard of the F-Pace, laughable panel gaps on a £75,000 XJ...doesn't exactly inspire confidence. If the stuff you can visually see is rubbish, god knows what's going on underneath the skin.
My dad had a current XJ for a few years and it was pretty pants. Little stuff just kept going wrong - the boot lid wouldn't close properly, the infotainment unit just killed itself and had to be replaced, interior lighting broke...just poor in general, particularly from a supposedly premium product.
My dad had a current XJ for a few years and it was pretty pants. Little stuff just kept going wrong - the boot lid wouldn't close properly, the infotainment unit just killed itself and had to be replaced, interior lighting broke...just poor in general, particularly from a supposedly premium product.
craigjm said:
That is / was just a platform share though whereas the X was much more than that. If we go down the platform share route then there are loads of cars that are something else in disguise. Counts pretty much all Audis and Bentley and that doesn't mean you can say "I've driven a Phaeton therefore I've driven a Conti GT or I've driven a 7 series therefore I've driven a Phantom.
The poster that said he had driven 90s Fords and therefore could say he had driven Jaguars knows that the Ford jibe winds up many Jaguar fans and was using it for that impact and nothing more.
I said naughties (that covers 2000-2009) and I specifically referred to Mondeo which regardless of how upset you get was the basis for X-type.The poster that said he had driven 90s Fords and therefore could say he had driven Jaguars knows that the Ford jibe winds up many Jaguar fans and was using it for that impact and nothing more.
VGTICE said:
craigjm said:
That is / was just a platform share though whereas the X was much more than that. If we go down the platform share route then there are loads of cars that are something else in disguise. Counts pretty much all Audis and Bentley and that doesn't mean you can say "I've driven a Phaeton therefore I've driven a Conti GT or I've driven a 7 series therefore I've driven a Phantom.
The poster that said he had driven 90s Fords and therefore could say he had driven Jaguars knows that the Ford jibe winds up many Jaguar fans and was using it for that impact and nothing more.
I said naughties (that covers 2000-2009) and I specifically referred to Mondeo which regardless of how upset you get was the basis for X-type.The poster that said he had driven 90s Fords and therefore could say he had driven Jaguars knows that the Ford jibe winds up many Jaguar fans and was using it for that impact and nothing more.
I wouldn't count myself among those "fans". I had an XF at lanch in 2008 and the list of faults on delivery and over the first 12 months was massive and they ended up buying it back off me. That experience has certainly put me off buying another one. I would have liked a current XJ but I'm rather wary.
That being said they are doing rather well growth, profits and jobs wise and that should be supported. The products might not be what I personally want to buy, let's not get started on the "fans" who wont but a car without 15 trees in it and a leaper on the bonnet, but people are buying them and that is bringing jobs, prosperity and a massive economic multiplier effect to this country and long may it continue.
I don't think JLR will ever be as big as MB or BMW but they why should they? Scale is not everything. They need to work on the quality. This has always been an issue and many will say that Jaguar "build great cars, badly" fix that and a winner is there to be had.
RammyMP said:
Just to add, the wife's 64 reg Evoque is going back into the garage tomorrow for them to attempt to fix the radio which doesn't get any reception and the heated seats which don't work. I'd love to run a Land Rover but I have no faith in the brand.
Well the local LR dealer had the wife's car for three days last week, I picked it up on Thursday to be told it's sorted. What have they done in three days, absolutely f
k all, radio still doesn't work. How they think they can get away with taking the piss out of customers I don't know. We've now raised a case with LR customer service to try and get it resolved. It's going in again on a week on Monday.Incidentally though, had a top of the range Disco Sport courtesy car which I thought the interior was very cheap for a £45-50k car. Drove well but a bit sluggish, noisy on the motorway and economy was woeful. I was glad to get back in the Evoque, even if I had to stream music through my phone, that still works!
Wife's car was supposed to be picked up by LR again yesterday for them to attempt to fix it again, it wasn't picked up because they forgot. Got picked up this morning but they forgot she needed a courtesy car so looks like she is walking home. They really are fking hopeless. It's disappointing when things go wrong but when they have no intention of rectifying things it is bloody frustrating!
king hopeless. It's disappointing when things go wrong but when they have no intention of rectifying things it is bloody frustrating!RammyMP said:
Got the wife's car back off LR today and guess what, it's still not fixed. LR are a fking joke. I understand things fail but their lack of interest in getting things fixed is pathetic.
Case continues with LR customer services.
Is the fault not something you can test with a service person in the vehicle before you accept it back? I'd be demanding at least that by this stage.king joke. I understand things fail but their lack of interest in getting things fixed is pathetic.Case continues with LR customer services.
Pothole said:
RammyMP said:
Got the wife's car back off LR today and guess what, it's still not fixed. LR are a fking joke. I understand things fail but their lack of interest in getting things fixed is pathetic.
Case continues with LR customer services.
Is the fault not something you can test with a service person in the vehicle before you accept it back? I'd be demanding at least that by this stage.king joke. I understand things fail but their lack of interest in getting things fixed is pathetic.Case continues with LR customer services.
ian in lancs said:
craigjm said:
Britain should be quite rightly proud of what JLR has achieved
with foreign money, from more successful foreign companies.
In addition to that, the TATA Group is heavily debt riddled and the cash revenues from JLR have kept the group from defaulting over the last decade. Most of the net revenue from JLR goes to paying the group's debt obligations. And guess where all the debt was arranged and sold from? Of course, London. And guess who holds most of that debt? That's right, London registered entities.
So, if the bulk of the net revenues (money after paying all the UK salaries, UK costs, UK distribution, UK development) is being used to pay U.K. based lenders and finance institutions then which country do you think makes the most money out of this particular UK manufacturing business that exports 80% of its production?
f
king foreigners and those London s. Shoot the lot of them. 
BMW, Ford nor Leyland could make the brands work. Some of the owners starved them of cash, others flooded them with cash. Nothing worked.
What saved them was simply that SUVs and European premium brands became the defacto objects of success projection in the new money East by the middle of the Noughties. RR represented both of those values. TATA had seen this coming and seized the financial collapse of the debt riddled Western car industry to procure key assets. Jaguar is ultimately a negligible business but the new SUV may make it viable but for so long as the East demands premium SUVs then the RR side will keep growing.
RammyMP said:
Pothole said:
RammyMP said:
Got the wife's car back off LR today and guess what, it's still not fixed. LR are a fking joke. I understand things fail but their lack of interest in getting things fixed is pathetic.
Case continues with LR customer services.
Is the fault not something you can test with a service person in the vehicle before you accept it back? I'd be demanding at least that by this stage.king joke. I understand things fail but their lack of interest in getting things fixed is pathetic.Case continues with LR customer services.
Pothole said:
Dreadful order of priorities...presumably production of newer vehicles which use this part (if they do) has not been halted for 4 weeks. a simple divert of 1 item of stock should surely be possible.
Back in the day of wearhouses full of stock maybe but not in the modern world of lean just in time production. You can't just take a component from the line. craigjm said:
Pothole said:
Dreadful order of priorities...presumably production of newer vehicles which use this part (if they do) has not been halted for 4 weeks. a simple divert of 1 item of stock should surely be possible.
Back in the day of wearhouses full of stock maybe but not in the modern world of lean just in time production. You can't just take a component from the line. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff