Is it time to ban overtaking?
Discussion
Integroo said:
DoubleD said:
M4cruiser said:
BrewsterBear said:
To the right of the clear roundabout where a Toyota--Yaris overtook you and went clearly and cleanly on its merry way without bothering anybody but you.
If plod had been there, which one would have been stopped? Not me!
M4cruiser said:
Try watching it again - the Yaris comes past immediately. I'm watching for possible cyclists coming down the hill from the right. After I'd stopped and the Yaris had gone, there was nobody behind me. You need to really think about it ...
69 months on ph, you are either trolling or have suffered some sort of mental breakdown. in either case stop driving like a tool, almost every 'incident' you post is caused by your failure to make progress and impeding other road users - a point you would fail a driving test on if you retake it.M4cruiser said:
DoubleD said:
Ha ha caught out. That junction is perfectly clear.
Try watching it again - the Yaris comes past immediately. I'm watching for possible cyclists coming down the hill from the right. After I'd stopped and the Yaris had gone, there was nobody behind me. You need to really think about it ...Edited by Escort3500 on Friday 21st July 08:21
M4cruiser said:
Ok then, here's one. Let's see how many people think this Yaris's overtake was safe and legal. (It was illegal and unsafe.) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QseMDIMoQkE
The visibility to the right is poor, and there was something coming, and I think it slowed when it saw the Yaris.
Haha some nuns even had enough of being stuck behind you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QseMDIMoQkE
The visibility to the right is poor, and there was something coming, and I think it slowed when it saw the Yaris.
Edited by M4cruiser on Wednesday 19th July 19:20
Edited by M4cruiser on Wednesday 19th July 19:57
Earlier, I overtook a van that was doing 50 on a particular stretch of road. I did 70 to complete the overtake with minimum time offside.
Coming back along the same road, same stretch. Little car is overtaking a f
ing tractor and can't get their foot down enough to go past it without causing me to slow.
Which is more dangerous - me flooring it, and doing 10 over, or little car (similar power to mine!) that's doing 20 under during an overtake? I'm pretty sure what M4 will say, and it'll be at odds with everybody else.
Added information: I easily performed my overtake due to pre-planning. I had the whole straight. The oncomer was about 1/3 the way along it when they came into view. If they had dropped a few gears, they'd probably have had no hastle. Alas, they were just cruising during an overtake.
Coming back along the same road, same stretch. Little car is overtaking a f
ing tractor and can't get their foot down enough to go past it without causing me to slow.Which is more dangerous - me flooring it, and doing 10 over, or little car (similar power to mine!) that's doing 20 under during an overtake? I'm pretty sure what M4 will say, and it'll be at odds with everybody else.
Added information: I easily performed my overtake due to pre-planning. I had the whole straight. The oncomer was about 1/3 the way along it when they came into view. If they had dropped a few gears, they'd probably have had no hastle. Alas, they were just cruising during an overtake.
Edited by Solocle on Wednesday 19th July 23:10
You were stationary at that mini roundabout for 9 seconds before the other car passed, you then waited another 4 seconds after it had passed before starting to pull out. That's sheer undue hesitation through either a) total incompetence or b) deliberately trying to be a dick and hold others up in the vain hope that they might get pissed off and overtake you so you can get a dashcam clip for your pathetic idea that overtaking is somehow dangerous.
What's dangerous is deliberately trying to antagonise people who are piloting two tonnes of steel around in public places.
What's dangerous is deliberately trying to antagonise people who are piloting two tonnes of steel around in public places.
M4cruiser said:
Try watching it again - the Yaris comes past immediately. I'm watching for possible cyclists coming down the hill from the right. After I'd stopped and the Yaris had gone, there was nobody behind me. You need to really think about it ...
Why are you still here?Of course there is nobody behind you because you have annoyed the Yaris driver so much he had to get past - like anyone else would!
Do you have a mirror? If so go and take a good look in it!
YOU are the problem. Hopefully you are eligible for a bus pass, then you can sell your POS and leave the roads for use by competent people - you don't seem to be one of them!
M4cruiser said:
Try watching it again - the Yaris comes past immediately. I'm watching for possible cyclists coming down the hill from the right. After I'd stopped and the Yaris had gone, there was nobody behind me. You need to really think about it ...
Jog on you plum, no one is buying your brand of stupid....... I've got to say, the dedication to this is impressive.
Clearly, if this is genuine, M4cruiser is one of the least considerate and selfish drivers out there. It would seem that the world revolves around him and his notion of safety, whilst disregarding his fellow motorists. The irony is that the deliberate attempts to wind up other motorists to feed his dash cam habit is putting people in danger.
Clearly, if this is genuine, M4cruiser is one of the least considerate and selfish drivers out there. It would seem that the world revolves around him and his notion of safety, whilst disregarding his fellow motorists. The irony is that the deliberate attempts to wind up other motorists to feed his dash cam habit is putting people in danger.
Look guys, these forums are for expressing opinions... You don't have to agree with mine, but you won't persuade me to yours by hurling abuse. Make your arguments in a logical manner (as some have) and you might just convince me.
By and large I'm not changing my opinion except in one area: I am persuaded by those from more remote areas, where the density of traffic and other hazards (including junctions etc) is much less, so the overtaking risk is less, and the benefits are greater. That tips the balance. But round here? No way. Most of my enforced driving is in Berkshire, Surrey, Hampshire and Buckinghamshire, where my calculations stand up.
There is no way that blue Audi was going to make any significant headway given that the road goes into a built up area in another mile or so, with a 30 limit, a give way and a set of traffic lights. That's whether I'd caught him up or not. And to make that small gain he exceeded the limit by 50% (which someone called "Slightly" !! ) across what appears to be a farm crossing and heading for a double bend with a "reduce speed now" and a "SLOW" in the road. That's the point I'm making, it's risk versus benefit.
By and large I'm not changing my opinion except in one area: I am persuaded by those from more remote areas, where the density of traffic and other hazards (including junctions etc) is much less, so the overtaking risk is less, and the benefits are greater. That tips the balance. But round here? No way. Most of my enforced driving is in Berkshire, Surrey, Hampshire and Buckinghamshire, where my calculations stand up.
There is no way that blue Audi was going to make any significant headway given that the road goes into a built up area in another mile or so, with a 30 limit, a give way and a set of traffic lights. That's whether I'd caught him up or not. And to make that small gain he exceeded the limit by 50% (which someone called "Slightly" !! ) across what appears to be a farm crossing and heading for a double bend with a "reduce speed now" and a "SLOW" in the road. That's the point I'm making, it's risk versus benefit.
Muddle238 said:
You were stationary at that mini roundabout for 9 seconds before the other car passed, .
What's dangerous is deliberately trying to antagonise people who are piloting two tonnes of steel around in public places.
Actually I was stationary for less than half a second before the Yaris started its illegal overtake. That's sheer impatience by the Yaris driver.What's dangerous is deliberately trying to antagonise people who are piloting two tonnes of steel around in public places.
Waiting after that is irrelevant, there was no one behind me.
I drive around Berkshire all the time. When confronted by some dawdling twerp in front of me I will perform a perfectly safe overtake. Do I care whether the dawdling twerp catches up with me later? Not in the slightest. That's not the point. I may be in a hurry and predict that overtaking will make my journey shorter, or I may simply not like looking at the twerps car. I may be doing it for the pure enjoyment of doing so.
M4cruiser said:
Muddle238 said:
You were stationary at that mini roundabout for 9 seconds before the other car passed, .
What's dangerous is deliberately trying to antagonise people who are piloting two tonnes of steel around in public places.
Actually I was stationary for less than half a second before the Yaris started its illegal overtake. That's sheer impatience by the Yaris driver.What's dangerous is deliberately trying to antagonise people who are piloting two tonnes of steel around in public places.
Waiting after that is irrelevant, there was no one behind me.
Did the OP actually quote the IAM? I once went to an IAM meeting. I had to walk out after an hour. Half of that was an elderly hippy taking us out in her 2CV and attempting to show us Roadcraft but effectively just complaining about every other vehicle travelling faster than her which turned out be every other vehicle on the road because she drove at 10mph below every speed limit, including 20mph limits! It was like being in a bad BBC 70s sitcom. I expected Terry and June to join us! Biggest load of sanctimonious, ill informed aholes I've ever met. The village meeting from Hot Fuzz? That's most IAM groups!
holes I've ever met. The village meeting from Hot Fuzz? That's most IAM groups!Ali_T said:
Did the OP actually quote the IAM? I once went to an IAM meeting. I had to walk out after an hour. Half of that was an elderly hippy taking us out in her 2CV and attempting to show us Roadcraft but effectively just complaining about every other vehicle travelling faster than her which turned out be every other vehicle on the road because she drove at 10mph below every speed limit, including 20mph limits! It was like being in a bad BBC 70s sitcom. I expected Terry and June to join us! Biggest load of sanctimonious, ill informed aholes I've ever met. The village meeting from Hot Fuzz? That's most IAM groups!
holes I've ever met. The village meeting from Hot Fuzz? That's most IAM groups!Not all of us IAM members are driving Miss Daisy candidates pootling about in shopping trolleys (quite the opposite). I passed my advanced test 29 years ago & was taught on my course by ex-police pursuit drivers who instructed us to push on & said that on our test if we didn't take an overtake opportunity it would be a fail. On twisty country roads, if we could see through the bend we were told to straight line it wherever possible (still do it now). I've not read anything on here to agree with the OP about.
M4cruiser said:
Look guys, these forums are for expressing opinions... You don't have to agree with mine, but you won't persuade me to yours by hurling abuse. Make your arguments in a logical manner (as some have) and you might just convince me.
By and large I'm not changing my opinion except in one area: I am persuaded by those from more remote areas, where the density of traffic and other hazards (including junctions etc) is much less, so the overtaking risk is less, and the benefits are greater. That tips the balance. But round here? No way. Most of my enforced driving is in Berkshire, Surrey, Hampshire and Buckinghamshire, where my calculations stand up.
There is no way that blue Audi was going to make any significant headway given that the road goes into a built up area in another mile or so, with a 30 limit, a give way and a set of traffic lights. That's whether I'd caught him up or not. And to make that small gain he exceeded the limit by 50% (which someone called "Slightly" !! ) across what appears to be a farm crossing and heading for a double bend with a "reduce speed now" and a "SLOW" in the road. That's the point I'm making, it's risk versus benefit.
You can dress it up how you like, but what you mean is you think you are driving at the perfect speed for the road, and therefore anyone attempting to overtake you is going too fast.By and large I'm not changing my opinion except in one area: I am persuaded by those from more remote areas, where the density of traffic and other hazards (including junctions etc) is much less, so the overtaking risk is less, and the benefits are greater. That tips the balance. But round here? No way. Most of my enforced driving is in Berkshire, Surrey, Hampshire and Buckinghamshire, where my calculations stand up.
There is no way that blue Audi was going to make any significant headway given that the road goes into a built up area in another mile or so, with a 30 limit, a give way and a set of traffic lights. That's whether I'd caught him up or not. And to make that small gain he exceeded the limit by 50% (which someone called "Slightly" !! ) across what appears to be a farm crossing and heading for a double bend with a "reduce speed now" and a "SLOW" in the road. That's the point I'm making, it's risk versus benefit.
Some of us like overtaking, not because we are necessarily in a rush, but because we don't like having our speed dictated by other, slower drivers like you.
If you are holding other motorists up, rather than getting the arse when they overtake you, consider pulling over and no longer impeding them.
M4cruiser said:
I'm watching for possible cyclists coming down the hill from the right.
Would that be the hill about 100m down the road? If so I can only assume you are being so cautious because the middle aged Lycra fiends in Hampshire are not satisfied with the visceral thill of trouncing their accountant at Squash and have taken to shackling surplus jet engines to their bicycles to have a good stab at cracking the sound barrier.In all seriousness however, you are clearly holding up the flow of traffic by dithering around and being overly cautious, provoking people who want to make reasonable progress to get frustrated and pull dickish manoeuvres like the Yaris did, I'm guessing he had been behind you for some time and had grown frustrated with your over cautious behaviour. If you are trying to make the roads and yourself safer then please get off your high horse, stop bumbling around and get on with it before you goad someone into a big accident; if your driving style is born from a lack of driving confidence then be a man about it and either get some additional driver training or get yourself a bus pass.
Case in point, there was no real reason to come to a full stop at that roundabout, conditions were good, visibility in all directions would be decent (as evidenced by Google maps). If you were trying to make reasonable progress while keeping safe, then on approaching the roundabout you could have slowed down to a reasonable rate while being prepared to stop if you see oncoming traffic, once you have checked right, while still rolling at a gentle pace, you pull away... you haven't stopped and impeded the flow of traffic but you have also safely navigated the roundabout without putting anyone in danger, not including any thrill seeking cyclists with a Pratt & Whitney powered Tour-de-France special, then again you'd probably hear him!
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