Is it time to ban overtaking?
Discussion
M4cruiser said:
I'm also more aware of potential hazards. Not claiming my driving is perfect, but when it says "SLOW" in the road, and "REDUCE SPEED NOW" on a red sign, then I take that to mean that the posted limit is too high for the hazardous bits. Yet if I slow to 35 in a 40 for these hazards then the driver behind behaves very oddly - coming even closer when there's a sign hinting that I might have to brake even more!
oh dear - I really hope you don't believe this?! seriously?!putting slow on the road does not mean go slower than the posted limit - when that is the intention there will either be a change in speed limit, or an advisory speed limit (in a rectangular sign)
there are compulsory signs and advisory signs... it is expected that slow or reduce speed now are warnings for you to view an upcoming hazard and make a decision - bear in mind that these were set when cars were less capable it is possible that a corner needing a warning 30 years ago will be fine for a modern car...
if it were an instruction it would be a different type of sign - just think about it logically - an instruction has to be precise - how can that be the case with either slow or reduce speed now - if instructions what is their value? should slow mean 5mph or 10mph or 20mph? does reduce speed now mean by 1mph or 5 / 10 / 20mph?
If you are slamming on the anchors with no intelligence about whether you need to reduce speed no wonder you are annoying every driver around you and they are overtaking...
wow, just wow!
can I suggest that you actually read the Highway Code?
I used to drop 5 mph for every "slow" on the road surface. When I was a learner. I typically drive roads I know, so would likely pay more attention on unfamiliar roads. However, these signs are advisory ^^. They warn you of the presence of a hazard, and that hazard would mean that it was sensible to drop speed from safe crusing speed. However, on many roads, the safe speed would be 10-20 over the limit, maybe more in extreme cases. So, I will continue driving at the limit, because that is still safe, even considering the hazard. You see, they start setting limits for the throbbers who just drive at the limit - the lowest common denominator. Now, I drive at the limit most of the time, because it is safe to do so. Drivers aren't expected to have brains.
M4cruiser said:
However, that's not really the point of the original post. I'm pointing out how long you'd need to maintain say 60 continuously over 40 continuously to make any significant headway. The figures were at the start, and my guess is that most drivers really haven't thought about it. They see someone in front of them and want to get past. That's as far as their thinking goes.
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t. They've thought about it far further than you have.M4cruiser said:
Have you ever worked out how much time you save by doing 60mph instead of say 40mph? It's not a lot. Even if you manage to maintain a full 60 for 5 miles continuously, that's only two-and-a-half minutes off your journey.
Take your 5 miles, apply it to their actual 20 mile commute, twice a day, 5 days a week, 48 weeks a year, for over 50 years.42 days. Times however many people you hold up with your attitude. Dawdling drivers who can't think beyond the next 5 miles waste lives.
M4cruiser said:
Well I guess the Mods can "Close" this Topic now. But please re-open it in 35 years time when Teresa May's successor does actually ban overtaking! Then you'll realise that I wasn't actually "wrong" nor "right", I was just a bit ahead of the time!
Well as you are yet to be logical in your arguments 
I suspect that your argument might be more wrong than right...Kawasicki said:
any chance of getting the directors cut of your roundabout overtake video back up?
Even the edited one has disappeared now. He won't put the original back up as it shows just how unreasonably slowly he crawled up to the mini roundabout before stopping for no reason whatsoever. The Yaris driver showed great restraint not leaning on the horn as they carried out their soon to be banned overtake.If he is a troll he's one of the most persistent and committed trolls I've ever seen. To actually go out and goad people into overtaking him to "prove" a point is next level s
t.M4cruiser said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
"If depending on conditions, people generally tried to drive at as near to the posted limit as possible, there generally would not even be the need for other drivers to have to overtake. Fortunately this is not so much a problem on dual carriageways and motorways. "
Yes, well said, and I do drive close to the posted limit on single carriageways (including in the Audi video) but usually get tailgated and overtaken. I understand that cars like the big Audi will have much greater acceleration than my Jap slushmatic, but I can, and do, get to 40mph probably only a couple of seconds later than he can.I'm also more aware of potential hazards. Not claiming my driving is perfect, but when it says "SLOW" in the road, and "REDUCE SPEED NOW" on a red sign, then I take that to mean that the posted limit is too high for the hazardous bits. Yet if I slow to 35 in a 40 for these hazards then the driver behind behaves very oddly - coming even closer when there's a sign hinting that I might have to brake even more!
However, that's not really the point of the original post. I'm pointing out how long you'd need to maintain say 60 continuously over 40 continuously to make any significant headway. The figures were at the start, and my guess is that most drivers really haven't thought about it. They see someone in front of them and want to get past. That's as far as their thinking goes.
Some of my thoughts have come from a trip to USA where (in the areas I went to) on single carriageway roads they have a lot more "double white line" thus preventing overtaking. USA drivers seem much more patient. A road near Boston, similar to the UK one in the Audi video, had double white lines even on the straight bits like where the Audi overtook. And the limit was 40.
M4cruiser said:
However, that's not really the point of the original post. I'm pointing out how long you'd need to maintain say 60 continuously over 40 continuously to make any significant headway. The figures were at the start, and my guess is that most drivers really haven't thought about it. They see someone in front of them and want to get past. That's as far as their thinking goes.
No, our thinking goes.I am driving at my desired speed, (which may be 60, or 40, or 30) and I have caught up with someone. Ergo, they are going slower than me. If there is no safe overtaking opportunity I will wait patiently until one of us turns off or I reach my destination. If on the other hand a safe opportunity presents itself then I take that opportunity to resume my desired speed. If I wanted to go at the speed of the vehicle in front then I would have done in the first place and never caught up with them.
Even if I exceed my desired speed briefly during the overtake the extra fuel used in those few yards is hardly going to be noticeable in my total fuel bill. And the time I have been driving slower than preferred waiting for an overtake opportunity has already save me a bit of fuel while putting me slightly behind my desired schedule.
I get the impression you're one of those people who doesn't really know how to overtake, so regard it as a frantic, stress filled, mechanically unsympathetic and frightening manoeuvre. In reality it's a routine manoeuvre no more hazardous than moving out to pass a parked car.
This thread is nearly as long as the queue of traffic behind the OP.
Overtaking is legal and necessary to allow people to make progress but every motorist has a responsibility not to impede the progress of others.
From everything I have read from the OP on here I think he should be more concerned about how he drives and the impact he has on others rather than worry about people fixing the problems he is causing on the roads.
Overtaking is legal and necessary to allow people to make progress but every motorist has a responsibility not to impede the progress of others.
From everything I have read from the OP on here I think he should be more concerned about how he drives and the impact he has on others rather than worry about people fixing the problems he is causing on the roads.
BrewsterBear said:
Kawasicki said:
any chance of getting the directors cut of your roundabout overtake video back up?
Even the edited one has disappeared now. He won't put the original back up as it shows just how unreasonably slowly he crawled up to the mini roundabout before stopping for no reason whatsoever. The Yaris driver showed great restraint not leaning on the horn as they carried out their soon to be banned overtake.
M4cruiser said:
Brewster & Kawasicki, Ok when the mods close this thread 'll put up the full version, starting from this point where the Yaris is parked at a bus stop with his front wheels already turned ready to make a rapid 3-point-turn without checking what's coming.
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