Is it time to ban overtaking?

[Solocle]

Jonno02 said:

Sounds identical to the road I was talking about, but a little further up. Same setup, people coming out of a poorly sighted junction decide that if they can't see the road, it should be ok. I've had to pull into the right turn lane several times too. You'd think some form of self preservation would come into it, if I t-bone your car at 60mph, you're going to come out worst.

Except this road (A350) isn't even badly sighted! You can see the junction at the bottom of the hill for about 1/2 mile! It's just they seemed to think that because a van was between me and them, that I wasn't there.

[Alias218]

The OP sounds exactly like the sort who would pootle along at 40mph on an NSL road, be overtaken and proceed to flick Morse code at the reprobate who carried out the manoeuvre.

Fast forward 5 minutes and the NSL is now a 30mph residential street. The reprobate has now dropped to 30mph. In the rear view mirror is the OP, still sailing along at 40mph and approaching fast. He then proceeds to sit on the bumper of the reprobate, With Toyota's finest auto transmission furiously swapping up and down because the OP can't manage his throttle properly.

These are the people that need to be turfed off the road, not the reprobate.

[Yipper]

Banning overtaking would save 100-300 lives per year in the UK, so it is not an entirely silly question.

In India, some claim 50,000 people a year die from reckless overtaking.

Banning overtaking worldwide would save 1-2 million lives per decade.

[Solocle]

Yipper said:

Banning overtaking would save 100-300 lives per year in the UK, so it is not an entirely silly question.

In India, some claim 50,000 people a year die from reckless overtaking.

Banning overtaking worldwide would save 1-2 million lives per decade.

Banning alcohol would remove one of the biggest sources of collisions. But it would affect law abiding people too much.
Same thing.

[sim16v]

Can't be bothered to read all the replies, but I had a quick look at what the OP drives.

A Toyota Avensis Auto.

If I had to endure one of those, I'd think my driving was over as well.

Just make sure you have more power than you really need, always makes overtaking fun!

[Cold]

Yipper said:

Banning overtaking would save 100-300 lives per year in the UK, so it is not an entirely silly question.

In India, some claim 50,000 people a year die from reckless overtaking.

Banning overtaking worldwide would save 1-2 million lives per decade.

86.42% of statistics are made up by the person stating them.

[wst]

Yipper said:

Banning overtaking would save 100-300 lives per year in the UK, so it is not an entirely silly question.

In India, some claim 50,000 people a year die from reckless overtaking.

Banning overtaking worldwide would save 1-2 million lives per decade.

Overtaking isn't inherently dangerous. Overtaking when it's not safe to, is. If people were taught to properly recognise when it is safe to overtake and how to maximise their overtaking safety, and kept the standard up "out of the classroom" we'd not have the problem. Too many people think driving isn't a skill that can be improved, though.

[*Al*]

Overtaking is an art of driving, I'm sick and tired of idiots causing queues driving very slow for no actual reason! A quick overtake in the right gap is acceptable in my books. People love me overtaking and usually give me a friendly flash

[M4cruiser]

Cold said:

Yipper said:

Banning overtaking would save 100-300 lives per year in the UK, so it is not an entirely silly question.

In India, some claim 50,000 people a year die from reckless overtaking.

Banning overtaking worldwide would save 1-2 million lives per decade.

86.42% of statistics are made up by the person stating them.

Maybe not made up, have a look at this with some of the time you've saved:-

http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/ddc/c...

[caelite]

lucido grigio said:

"M4 Cruiser"...?

Middle lane 52mph ?.

Probably.

No other words.....

Nah, outside lane, at an indicated 69mph (so 60ish). Making sure nobody can break the law and overtake him! Doing the lords work of course.

[M4cruiser]

sim16v said:

Can't be bothered to read all the replies, but I had a quick look at what the OP drives.

A Toyota Avensis Auto.

If I had to endure one of those, I'd think my driving was over as well.

Just make sure you have more power than you really need, always makes overtaking fun!

Can I just point out that the Avensis auto has a faster 0-60 than a 318i SE, and is only just behind a 320i SE.

... and I also drive my other half's car and my daughter's car sometimes.

[Jonno02]

Yipper said:

Banning overtaking would save 100-300 lives per year in the UK, so it is not an entirely silly question.

In India, some claim 50,000 people a year die from reckless overtaking.

Banning overtaking worldwide would save 1-2 million lives per decade.

It's utterly tragic when someone innocent is caught out by somebody else overtaking at a poorly chosen point, but if the overtaker decided they're going to overtake on a blind corner, swerves to avoid an oncoming car, loses control and slams into a tree, they're going to drive like that regardless whether or not overtaking is illegal. It's not legal to overtake on a blind corner now/when unsafe.

[V10Ace]

This has to be a wind up or definitely on the wrong forum...

You guys replying to the op has partially renewed my faith in the members of this forum

[V10Ace]

caelite said:

lucido grigio said:

"M4 Cruiser"...?

Middle lane 52mph ?.

Probably.

No other words.....

Nah, outside lane, at an indicated 69mph (so 60ish). Making sure nobody can break the law and overtake him! Doing the lords work of course.

[Cold]

M4cruiser said:

Maybe not made up, have a look at this with some of the time you've saved:-

http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/ddc/c...

I think you're confusing overtaking with poor driving. They're not mutually exclusive, no. But one does not necessarily contribute to the other.

[JonChalk]

When the drivers with the skill and experience of, say, oh I don't know.......Reg Local.......suggest that it is too dangerous to overtake, then I may well sit up and take notice.

Until then, if professional drivers can continue recommend overtaking as safe, I'm in.

[csd19]

Cold said:

M4cruiser said:

Maybe not made up, have a look at this with some of the time you've saved:-

http://www.psychology.nottingham.ac.uk/staff/ddc/c...

I think you're confusing overtaking with poor driving. They're not mutually exclusive, no. But one does not necessarily contribute to the other.

There are some right "state the fking obvious" points in that pdf

"Two measures in
combination (not overtaking a vehicle travelling at or
near the speed limit, and not overtaking in the vicinity
of a junction) would have prevented 54% of the
accidents in the sample."

No st Sherlock. fk me... Ban overtaking? Don't be such a fktard.

[NickCQ]

V10Ace said:

This has to be a wind up or definitely on the wrong forum...

You guys replying to the op has partially renewed my faith in the members of this forum

Agreed, but at least the OP isn't being precious about PH's reaction (however amusing that would be).

[tjlees]

OP you are really on the wrong forum or just trolling or canvassing info for IAM.

So it's definitely not time to ban overtaking. PH members are all driving gods and time is money

However, by the back door, the government is effectively starting to do this through applying more and more no overtaking road markings on single carriageways etc etc in the name of safety. Even though the statistics evidence supports the more expensive option of properly training the motorist to drive with more care and attention and on a repeated basis.

[V8RX7]

Unfortunately I think it could happen - a bit like "speed kills" - whilst it clearly doesn't - it is true, that with zero speed there can be no accidents.

The problem with the OP's assumptions is that the car you are overtaking is doing 40, how long it takes to over take it and that you want to do 60.

It could be a tractor doing 15 or a granny doing 25.

It sure as hell doesn't take me that long with approx 250bhp/ton to overtake.

On a clear, country road, I'm doing a lot more than 60.

Before the mumsnetters jump on that - let he who has been accident free for over 25yrs type the first holier than thou reply.