Is it time to ban overtaking?
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I can envisage the whole scenario...
OP is sat at home with his t shirt tucked into his trousers and his underpants on his head enthusiastically reading his latest copy of his IAM magazine.
Outside, parked on the block paved drive is his recently washed Toyota Avensis automatic in a drab beige colour; adorned with AA badge and IAM window sticker. The interior sports a blanket on the back seat for his Yorkshire terrier named treacle or similar and the parcel shelf has a few cushions and an umbrella perched on top.
Enthused and motivated by the overtaking article in his pristine copy of the magazine; our OP sets about campaigning to ban overtaking.
OP is sat at home with his t shirt tucked into his trousers and his underpants on his head enthusiastically reading his latest copy of his IAM magazine.
Outside, parked on the block paved drive is his recently washed Toyota Avensis automatic in a drab beige colour; adorned with AA badge and IAM window sticker. The interior sports a blanket on the back seat for his Yorkshire terrier named treacle or similar and the parcel shelf has a few cushions and an umbrella perched on top.
Enthused and motivated by the overtaking article in his pristine copy of the magazine; our OP sets about campaigning to ban overtaking.
Codswallop said:
I live in Cornwall - roads aren't busy, and my V8 makes overtakes quick and safe when combined with appropriate observation and planning. Overtakes aren't necessarily just to save time, but because it's fun skill when done correctly, and lets me enjoy the lanes rather than being stuck behind a camper.
This. Its all about the adrenalin rush when you safely overtake 6 or more cars plodding along at 40mph on the rest and be thankful in my v8.The reason some do 40 on an nsl/60 road is sometimes education - when I attended a speed awareness course (76 in a 70 before I get labelled a monster...) they showed a picture of a single lane nsl road, with sign and asked people what the correct limit was, looooads of them thought it was 40 and many 50mph. Same question to the nsl dual carriageway and many thought the speed was 60mph, actually about half of the 20 strong group got that wrong.
The only speeds they all knew was the motorway and signed 30 limits
- so, that's where some of your 40 in an nsl drivers are coming from, and prob why they block in such an aggressive manner etc - they think you are a loon doing 20mph over the limit.
Of course you then need to add biddies / lorries / tractors / half asleep people carrier drivers to the mix too.
The only speeds they all knew was the motorway and signed 30 limits
- so, that's where some of your 40 in an nsl drivers are coming from, and prob why they block in such an aggressive manner etc - they think you are a loon doing 20mph over the limit.
Of course you then need to add biddies / lorries / tractors / half asleep people carrier drivers to the mix too.
M4cruiser said:
IS IT TIME TO BAN OVERTAKING?
Your mum works for BRAKE, doesn't she? I've been expecting inane crap like this for a few years now, surprised it's taken you so long.
The concept of imposing restrictions on everyone, because of the incompetence of the few, is a bad one.
Now, please be quiet and get back in your comfy box.
Apart from the sheer dog-in-the-manger nastiness of the idea, it would be an absolute bugger to draft as a law.
Would there be a maximum speed of vehicle that you were allowed to overtake?
Or a maximum differential? Relative or absolute?
How would the overtaker be expected to know?
In reality it would be a charter for idiots (the op included I expect) to just pull out of side roads in front of others in the knowledge that they couldn't legally even swerve round them.
No doubt the camera partnerships would "police" it in the same way as they do speeding, by sitting at the one overtaking place in miles on a twisty road.
Nonsensical and idiotic on so many levels.
So par for the course from this poster.
Would there be a maximum speed of vehicle that you were allowed to overtake?
Or a maximum differential? Relative or absolute?
How would the overtaker be expected to know?
In reality it would be a charter for idiots (the op included I expect) to just pull out of side roads in front of others in the knowledge that they couldn't legally even swerve round them.
No doubt the camera partnerships would "police" it in the same way as they do speeding, by sitting at the one overtaking place in miles on a twisty road.
Nonsensical and idiotic on so many levels.
So par for the course from this poster.
So I'm driving from Bath to Bournemouth down the A350, 95% single lane, full of tractors, dawdling holiday travellers, lorries and horse boxes etc.
Plenty of tight bends followed by straights, even in the Citigo I can comfortably and safely overtake a horse box after a bend we'll within 60mph.
Yep, lets ban it.
Plenty of tight bends followed by straights, even in the Citigo I can comfortably and safely overtake a horse box after a bend we'll within 60mph.
Yep, lets ban it.
Ban overtaking?? Are you nuts?
I travelled down a fairly narrow and windy A road yesterday for about 40 miles. There are few opportunities to overtake safely, but I took advantage of every single one. If I hadn't then that part of my journey would have taken about 20 minutes longer and been very dull.
At one point I was following a Black Jaaaaaag XF who had his rear fog lights on, was going <40mph in an NSL and was comfort braking for every corner. At one point I could see it was clear of oncoming traffic for over 1/2 mile despite the bendy road (long sweeping bends that didn't justify 40mph BTW) as we were on top of a big hill, so when he comfort braked for the next corner I just popped through up the inside without even accelerating..... cue Mr fog lights giving it the arm waving and flashing lights. I'm not sure if he thought it was an unsafe overtake (it wasn't), or whether he thought you are not allowed to overtake a Jaaaaaaag.
I travelled down a fairly narrow and windy A road yesterday for about 40 miles. There are few opportunities to overtake safely, but I took advantage of every single one. If I hadn't then that part of my journey would have taken about 20 minutes longer and been very dull.
At one point I was following a Black Jaaaaaag XF who had his rear fog lights on, was going <40mph in an NSL and was comfort braking for every corner. At one point I could see it was clear of oncoming traffic for over 1/2 mile despite the bendy road (long sweeping bends that didn't justify 40mph BTW) as we were on top of a big hill, so when he comfort braked for the next corner I just popped through up the inside without even accelerating..... cue Mr fog lights giving it the arm waving and flashing lights. I'm not sure if he thought it was an unsafe overtake (it wasn't), or whether he thought you are not allowed to overtake a Jaaaaaaag.
Herman Toothrot said:
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k it track day rules are the way forward, LOOK IN MIRRORS, faster vechicle catches you means they are faster, ease off indicate left and let them pass, job done. Safer and faster for everyone.
Pop over the water for a day. In Ireland this is how it happens pretty much. Most A roads have permanent crawling lanes and people do indeed check their mirrors, indicate and move over left for you to pass.k it track day rules are the way forward, LOOK IN MIRRORS, faster vechicle catches you means they are faster, ease off indicate left and let them pass, job done. Safer and faster for everyone.Oddly in the North of the island, in UK jurisdiction, the opposite is true. People go 50 on average, 40 a lot of the time, even 30 at night or rain in open NSL conditions. They make themselves very difficult to overtake. On dual carriageways they drive in the right hand lane constantly at 10 below the limit. My morning commute is just following the queue in the right hand lane for the next idiot to finally realise and move over to the left lane, then a small burst of near speed limit and back to 10 under for the next idiot.
Driver training currently sucks. In Northern Ireland learners are limited to 45mph. In fact you are then limited for a further year after you pass to 45.... but allowed on a motorway, for the first time, only after your test.... limited to 45. What could possibly go wrong? The first time you do 60 or 70 in a car, legally, in Northern Ireland will be on your own in the car having driven for a year. This sounds like a good thing and a bad thing. It means that some people do not respect the higher speed or it's implications on stopping distances and losing control in bends. It also means there are a large number of terrified young (and older) timid, under confident drivers who are scared all the time, not being confident to go more than 45 while dealing with queues of traffic growling at them from behind all day. Then they get on the motorway. I've been there, your first motorway at night at 45 is not in anyway fun, hint: HGVs do 50mph.
Overtaking is pretty much not even taught or tested in driving tests. Very little dual carriageway driving, lane disipline and no motorways.
The driving test is a "Learner Test". It's to prove you are competent enough to go out on you own and learn to drive. Not that you know how to drive. I believe a follow up test should be required at 2 years. To cover all the other stuff you need to know but was not demanded of you in the learner test. Not quite the advanced test, but something in between. The L test should get your an R plate and suitably high insurance, maybe with the 45mph limit, no driving after street lights on. The incentive would be to get your FULL license promptly after further training and a fuller test. Limit 2 years, then you lose your R license.
Mike335i said:
limpsfield said:
Anyone who goes to the trouble of specifying their Toyota avensis is an auto in their profile is a bit odd in my book, OP
Anyone who chooses a Toyota Avensis Automatic is odd in my book. They are not exactly desirable hahaSo probably far more desirable than you think.
If we had a no overtaking rule, where do you draw the line at what may or may not be overtaken? A slow 5ph cyclist on an uphill stretch - yes. A cyclist on a downhill stretch doing 35mph? No? What if it's safer to overtake on the downhill stretch? Do you exercise common sense and overtake or wait until the prescribed rules and exercise a more dangerous overtake later on the next uphill.
Mobile cranes will travel at 15-20 mph on hills. Is that a wait or go? What you are proposing is that we drive to the lowest common denominator. It isn't about being PH as some people are digging the OP here. It's about common sense and reasonable progress. There are probably tens or hundreds of thousands of perfectly executed safe overtakes everyday (and in context some bad ones).
Mobile cranes will travel at 15-20 mph on hills. Is that a wait or go? What you are proposing is that we drive to the lowest common denominator. It isn't about being PH as some people are digging the OP here. It's about common sense and reasonable progress. There are probably tens or hundreds of thousands of perfectly executed safe overtakes everyday (and in context some bad ones).
SidewaysSi said:
Mike335i said:
limpsfield said:
Anyone who goes to the trouble of specifying their Toyota avensis is an auto in their profile is a bit odd in my book, OP
Anyone who chooses a Toyota Avensis Automatic is odd in my book. They are not exactly desirable hahaSo probably far more desirable than you think.
Perhaps that is why the OP wants overtaking banned.
SidewaysSi said:
Oh dear. Quite a pathetic thing to say to be fair - I can certainly see the appeal of the Toyota. It will mo doubt be more reliable than a VW /Audi/BMW etc.
So probably far more desirable than you think.
See the humour was lost a little there.... But in truth 'the white goods' vehicle choice fits with style of driving being proffered M4cruiser. So probably far more desirable than you think.
Edited by Mike335i on Monday 29th May 09:24
Absolutely not. For the simple fact that the majority of drivers I come across these days, on NSL single carriageway roads, can be found dawdling between 25 and 35 mph.
I am not joking here. 40-45mph people can be found on a good day with the right wind. Coming across someone who you don't catch because they are doing 60 is very rare. Almost enough for me to think I should go play the lotto that day.
I need to overtake. Otherwise I'll never actually get anywhere.
I am not joking here. 40-45mph people can be found on a good day with the right wind. Coming across someone who you don't catch because they are doing 60 is very rare. Almost enough for me to think I should go play the lotto that day.
I need to overtake. Otherwise I'll never actually get anywhere.
An interesting thread - totally wrong but interesting non the less.
Just why is it interesting? Well it shows how the the oppo think:
the Doris who thinks the 20 is plenty... EVERYWHERE!
the retarded 'powerfully built' one who thinks that anyone over taking HIM is a loon and therefore tries to block you.
the Green lobby, who likely feel more charitable towards Savile than drivers.
What the op is in effect advocating is even poorer driving standards than we already have rather than raising standards.
Just why is it interesting? Well it shows how the the oppo think:
the Doris who thinks the 20 is plenty... EVERYWHERE!
the retarded 'powerfully built' one who thinks that anyone over taking HIM is a loon and therefore tries to block you.
the Green lobby, who likely feel more charitable towards Savile than drivers.
What the op is in effect advocating is even poorer driving standards than we already have rather than raising standards.
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