RE: Honda Civic Type R (FK8): Driven
Discussion
M1C said:
I think the 0-60 shows thats things are maybe reaching the limits of very powerful FWD cars. I think in other scenarios it'll be a real rocket.
I didn't like the previous one...then saw a few on the road...and thought they looked much better. Very colour sensitive too, so i wonder if this will be the same.
it's mainly the rear i have a problem with.
In some pics, it looks really good, for example, in this rather dark picture...
Quite nicely proportioned, side on.
Also, that annoying guy on Car Throttle did a video of him sitting at 272kmh, relatively easily on the autobahn, (168.64mph) so the 169mph top speed seems to be doable. (4 mins-ish in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_FA3HWJdKE
Bloody fast for £30k!
That would assume the speedo is accurate - my Honda showed almost 180 when it was actually doing 164I didn't like the previous one...then saw a few on the road...and thought they looked much better. Very colour sensitive too, so i wonder if this will be the same.
it's mainly the rear i have a problem with.
In some pics, it looks really good, for example, in this rather dark picture...
Quite nicely proportioned, side on.
Also, that annoying guy on Car Throttle did a video of him sitting at 272kmh, relatively easily on the autobahn, (168.64mph) so the 169mph top speed seems to be doable. (4 mins-ish in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_FA3HWJdKE
Bloody fast for £30k!
Derek Chevalier said:
M1C said:
I think the 0-60 shows thats things are maybe reaching the limits of very powerful FWD cars. I think in other scenarios it'll be a real rocket.
I didn't like the previous one...then saw a few on the road...and thought they looked much better. Very colour sensitive too, so i wonder if this will be the same.
it's mainly the rear i have a problem with.
In some pics, it looks really good, for example, in this rather dark picture...
Quite nicely proportioned, side on.
Also, that annoying guy on Car Throttle did a video of him sitting at 272kmh, relatively easily on the autobahn, (168.64mph) so the 169mph top speed seems to be doable. (4 mins-ish in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_FA3HWJdKE
Bloody fast for £30k!
That would assume the speedo is accurate - my Honda showed almost 180 when it was actually doing 164I didn't like the previous one...then saw a few on the road...and thought they looked much better. Very colour sensitive too, so i wonder if this will be the same.
it's mainly the rear i have a problem with.
In some pics, it looks really good, for example, in this rather dark picture...
Quite nicely proportioned, side on.
Also, that annoying guy on Car Throttle did a video of him sitting at 272kmh, relatively easily on the autobahn, (168.64mph) so the 169mph top speed seems to be doable. (4 mins-ish in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_FA3HWJdKE
Bloody fast for £30k!
This maybe a fantastic car to drive, but whoever signed the styling off needs a talking to. It reminds me of an old Datsun my Dad used to own with some Halfords tat stuck on. Or perhaps an old, rear engined Skoda. Why can't car manufacturers make a great driving car, that still looks subtle and classy? Like hot hatches used to. 
That is utterly horrible!! Finally, a car to rival the Ssangyong Rodius for ugliest of recent times... Awful.
I've no idea who would buy this. Presumbly guys around 30 is the market, but sweet Jesus this looks like Honda are having a laugh. What are they doing these days?? Who's styling this rubbish?!
I've no idea who would buy this. Presumbly guys around 30 is the market, but sweet Jesus this looks like Honda are having a laugh. What are they doing these days?? Who's styling this rubbish?!
nickfrog said:
Ahbefive said:
Indeed entering an apex is rather similar in each layout, the difference is having the ability to power out from an apex which is where a fwd layout generally struggles. In your picture you are showing lift off oversteer (which is also fun) but it is a very different experience to power oversteer or having plenty of grip to power out smoothly. With a good awd car all 3 of these cornering styles are possible depending on corner entrance speeds and levels of grip whereas with fwd you are generally limiting yourself to just 1 or 2.
It's just another string to a cars bow and for me it means fwd gives you less options of what to do at the limit putting it at the bottom of the pack in terms of layout. I do accept that the Megane and CTR are still great fun cars though but to suggest awd adds nothing but weight is just incorrect.
If you have plenty of lat grip at the apex that's only because you left a lot on the table. You should have no adhesion left at the apex (that's what being at the limit is), and in which case traction only comes back when you unwind the lock and free up adhesion again for the benefit of traction, irrespective of number of wheels driven. 4wd can't find contact patch friction if it's not there! Again, that's traction circle fundamentals.It's just another string to a cars bow and for me it means fwd gives you less options of what to do at the limit putting it at the bottom of the pack in terms of layout. I do accept that the Megane and CTR are still great fun cars though but to suggest awd adds nothing but weight is just incorrect.
It's not so much about what 4wd adds but sadly what it takes away (lateral grip, lightness and predictability).
If I want power oversteer, I go RWD. Superb traction with lighter weight and predictability (unlike 4wd, you know precisely which axle is going to lose traction first) and adjustability. Sadly, not many RWD road cars are trackable out of the box.
4wd also adds traction (at the cost of lateral grip of course because of the added weight), which, again, I do NOT want as with it comes extra weight, which, for me at least is the enemy, particularly 200kgs of it if you compare say a FRS and a Megane. Not many people favour 4wd on track for that reason. As for road use, the prime limiting factors will always be traffic, line of sight and licence preservation. This puts 4wd in an absurd no man's land IME but I am totally happy if that's not the case for others. So that approach is correct for me, but obviously not for everyone, we still fall into that subjectivity thing again, don't we ?
This is not lift off over-steer btw, it's simply turning in on the brakes, but same effect of exploiting weight transfer to rotate the rear axle. Associated with that, the Megane's traction is simply incredible, particularly in the wet, but it does take throttle commitment to keep the LSD on the boil. Again, very rewarding. I believe the FRS now comes with a front LSD, not surprised at all.
Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 15th June 11:21
I'm presuming that's solely aimed at a track work, as I'd hate to be travelling in the opposite direction on a public road, not much left in the safety envelope otherwise!
The comment concerning rwd and knowing which end will break away first isn't strictly true I'd suggest; my friend has an Impreza type RA V-Limited with a DCCD which allows the torque distribution to be adjusted by the driver.
I'm not suggesting that this would make it into a fwd-like handling car, but having owned a WR1 myself it does alter the characteristics.
And personally I'd prefer another WR1 over a Civic or a Focus RS. Just call me a Luddite.
Out of interest, the front and rear grills of the Civic remind me of...
Marty Funkhouser said:
5.8 seconds to 60??
All that styling and exhausts going on and its that slow?? A sheep in wolfs clothing.
Of course, a car that will lap the Nordschleife quicker than a Nissan R35 GTR and a Lamborghini LP560-4 is totally a sheep in wolf's clothing.All that styling and exhausts going on and its that slow?? A sheep in wolfs clothing.
Edited by evsky on Sunday 18th June 13:27
I saw a standard one at the weekend, it's actually ok, the looks will likely grow on me to be honest, like a lot of cars have in the past. I followed two older RS's this weekend, the first being orange and the second lurid green. I just don't understand all this BS about ultimate performance, it's splitting hairs really. Let's be honest, on track you'd not choose either for £30K, well I wouldn't.
Just enjoy the freedom of choice and that mainstream manufacturers are still able to make cars like this? Practical, fast, affordable. What's not to like? Leave the bragging rights for meetings around the water cooler........
Just enjoy the freedom of choice and that mainstream manufacturers are still able to make cars like this? Practical, fast, affordable. What's not to like? Leave the bragging rights for meetings around the water cooler........
Onehp said:
Best is not the same as fastest in a straight line. On a dry track, the A45 is left behind as it will be approx 200kg more irl. And fwd can take more as long as the driver knows when and when not to deploy it. Bit like a very powerful rwd or bike...
Substitute "WRX STI" or "Focus RS" for "A45" then. Comparing deploying power in a fwd to a motorcycle or a powerful rwd is an erroneous comparison imo Edited by Onehp on Tuesday 13th June 20:09
Called into Honda Stockport yesterday and got chatting to the sales chap. The new CTR is in showrooms from August 7th apparently.
I asked him how sales as a whole had gone for the outgoing model and basically it's being viewed as a bit of a flop within Honda retailers.
He said a lot of the outgoing models are stuck at main dealers and soon they will be chewing the price down to get rid to make way for the incoming FK8
I asked him how sales as a whole had gone for the outgoing model and basically it's being viewed as a bit of a flop within Honda retailers.
He said a lot of the outgoing models are stuck at main dealers and soon they will be chewing the price down to get rid to make way for the incoming FK8
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