BMW M2 Accident

[surveyor_101]

IJB1959 said:

Not been here for a while, and now it all seems to have got very angry and personal. Time to delete the thread from my list now I recon.

Yep it got out of hand quickly and thread has gone off topic.

In an effort to get back has anyone heard anything from the lad that crashed m2 in Scotland.

It seems he and his gf are back on instagram a least.

There is a YouTube vlogger I have followed on and off who is 20 and has a new fully loaded Mini Cooper but is board and so he has a m2 for a demo and someone has phoned the garage and complained.

https://youtu.be/9aevq7EkuXU

[BBenzzz]

I'll attempt to redeem myself from my outburst.

Last I heard through the grapevine is that he's living his life as if it never happened, minus the girlfriend which rightly chucked him.

I think a few pages back there is indication that he now has an S3. Lets just hope he has learnt a lesson and won't put any more lives at risk.

[Slb89]

hah this forum post has some serious entertainment in it, popcorn worthy stuff, a lot of people heavily judging this lad too.. remember older gents, you can't be old and wise if not once young and stupid...

he's ran out of talent in a very fast car, i couldn't give a rats how he purchased it, clearly doing alright for himself so fair play to him, if the kid doesn't die he will learn a lot from it. hope the passenger is ok.

s.

[theplayingmantis]

BBenzzz said:

I'll attempt to redeem myself from my outburst.

Last I heard through the grapevine is that he's living his life as if it never happened, minus the girlfriend which rightly chucked him.

I think a few pages back there is indication that he now has an S3. Lets just hope he has learnt a lesson and won't put any more lives at risk.

i trust we are taking these outburst tongue in cheek...i was at least to relieve the tedium of the pcp bashers and the pandoras box i unwittingly opened originally, however i note i missed out the odd wink that i should have included...

anyhoo has the ned had no recourse from the police then?

[BBenzzz]

theplayingmantis said:

i trust we are taking these outburst tongue in cheek...i was at least to relieve the tedium of the pcp bashers and the pandoras box i unwittingly opened originally, however i note i missed out the odd wink that i should have included...

anyhoo has the ned had no recourse from the police then?

We'll call it tongue in cheek with a smidge of misunderstanding? A few would have helped statements from both of us!

As far as I have gathered from friends of friends, there has been no recourse as of yet but circumstances may still be under review.. Ideally we need the lad on here to get the full story as grapevine rumours can be grossly incorrect. However, I doubt he'll ever show face at the fear of the opinions of the masses (me included, may I reiterate).

[Milemuncher]

Sadly no-one has answered my question about the minimum earnings limit that should be imposed before people can drive a ‘nice’ or ‘expensive’ car and sadly my think tank has now moved on to other more important issues.

Disappointing.

I was hoping we could at least get a white paper and some hyperbolic PR out of this subject.

[theplayingmantis]

Milemuncher said:

Sadly no-one has answered my question about the minimum earnings limit that should be imposed before people can drive a ‘nice’ or ‘expensive’ car and sadly my think tank has now moved on to other more important issues.

Disappointing.

I was hoping we could at least get a white paper and some hyperbolic PR out of this subject.

maybe there should be one that limits how much oxygen people are allowed?

[J4CKO]

BBenzzz said:

theplayingmantis said:

s3 and 135 not really comparable to an m2 are they? genuine question.

if i see a non rs audi i dont think ooo thats something unusual and sporty. not like i would over a genuine m car (but as above not to the level of wanting to see one at a meet of actual exotica.

if it was an rs3 (if thats a thing?) then yes i would think of it the same as an proper m car

edit. to add by the above i mean so those who frown upon younger people pcp nice cars wont get there knickers in a twist over you surely.

btw im not young - early 30's but my main car is pcp. miniscule % because the delaer was offering more discount on pcp than cash but still pcp as it worked out cheaper and the flexibility of getting rid if its a lemon. so i have a dog in this fight. sort of.

Edited by theplayingmantis on Thursday 26th April 11:42

I guess it's all down to perspective. Personally anything that is anything higher than an S-Line Audi is 'sporty'. I never said any of my cars were directly comparable to an M2 (however my M135i and the M2 share a VERY similar engine, give or take 40/50 bhp).

I dare say there are plenty of the older generation that seem to be expressing jealous tenancies would love to have owned a 3 year old M135i and a spanking new S3 at the age of 23, or the equivalent to whatever was popular in that time period. Although, as I expressed this is all a matter of perspective and opinion.

I was more getting at the bashing of young drivers in nice cars, and I would say I have owned nice cars albeit in a respectable fashion rather than tearing about the streets being a pest.

The M135i/M140i/S3's etc are obviously a rung down from an M2 but not that far behind in terms of straight line performance, the M2 is I guess more of a focused package, if not much faster outright, an M140 is a £176 (BlueSpark) tuning box away from 400 bhp.

I am not jealous, will be getting something similar myself at 47, would have got one sooner but I have commitments, so get a nice car whilst you are short on commitments as before long you may need a crossover or MPV and might be skint, dont bite off more than you can chew, leave a bit for living, holidays and going out and make some memories.

So, not jealous, fair play however you get something, life isnt always fair so get used to it !

However, I think that after the accident in this case, I dont think that lad should have another fast car just yet, he proved that he cannot be trusted and nearly killed himself, his girlfriend and any poor sod in the vicinity showing off, maybe he is suitably chastened and has learnt his lesson but really, a 300 bhp car after doing that, should be in something feeble as penance for a while, I would imagine the insurance quote was interesting after what can only be a massive fault claim.

[surveyor_101]

BBenzzz said:

I'll attempt to redeem myself from my outburst.

Last I heard through the grapevine is that he's living his life as if it never happened, minus the girlfriend which rightly chucked him.

I think a few pages back there is indication that he now has an S3. Lets just hope he has learnt a lesson and won't put any more lives at risk.

Not his s3 a family members I asked him.


His social media shows no car or driving related stuff other than him washing the Audi.

Police in Scotland don’t tend to suffer his type gladly.

Edited by surveyor_101 on Thursday 26th April 17:58

[surveyor_101]

theplayingmantis said:

at what age is ok to drive like a w*nker (safely of course) in a nice car i wonder!

None but the peacocking you see at car shows tends to be under 30s but occasionally the older gents go mad.

Young men do go through a phase of showing off as there is some ancient things seems to think women are impressed. Roughly 3 months into my driving career I realised pretty much no woman is impressed by driving like a moron.

[rasto]

surveyor_101 said:

Yep it got out of hand quickly and thread has gone off topic.

In an effort to get back has anyone heard anything from the lad that crashed m2 in Scotland.

It seems he and his gf are back on instagram a least.

There is a YouTube vlogger I have followed on and off who is 20 and has a new fully loaded Mini Cooper but is board and so he has a m2 for a demo and someone has phoned the garage and complained.

https://youtu.be/9aevq7EkuXU

That video neatly encapsulates everything I hate about 'vloggers'. Bell. End.

[culpz]

surveyor_101 said:

Young men do go through a phase of showing off as there is some ancient things seems to think women are impressed. Roughly 3 months into my driving career I realised pretty much no woman is impressed by driving like a moron.

Well, you've certainly changed your tune quick. So, you admit that the ease of new fast cars on finance is, in fact, not the reason for such behavior taking place, but it's more about young lads showing off?

Well i never

[Granfondo]

culpz said:

Well, you've certainly changed your tune quick. So, you admit that the ease of new fast cars on finance is, in fact, not the reason for such behavior taking place, but it's more about young lads showing off?

Well i never

"Young lads" have always showed off but the prevalence of cheap credit and more so PCP means these noobs are in far far more powerful cars than in the past and when it goes wrong it goes wrong very quickly!

[culpz]

Granfondo said:

culpz said:

Well, you've certainly changed your tune quick. So, you admit that the ease of new fast cars on finance is, in fact, not the reason for such behavior taking place, but it's more about young lads showing off?

Well i never

"Young lads" have always showed off but the prevalence of cheap credit and more so PCP means these noobs are in far far more powerful cars than in the past and when it goes wrong it goes wrong very quickly!

Rubbish. Most people back in the day that i spoke to, who were into their cars, had the old Fast Fords pretty much straight away after passing their driving test, or not long after.

They might not have been cheap lease/pcp deals, but they were clearly cheap enough to buy and insure at the time. In fact, the insurance was probably much more affordable than it is now.

I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.

[GregK2]

rasto said:

surveyor_101 said:

Yep it got out of hand quickly and thread has gone off topic.

In an effort to get back has anyone heard anything from the lad that crashed m2 in Scotland.

It seems he and his gf are back on instagram a least.

There is a YouTube vlogger I have followed on and off who is 20 and has a new fully loaded Mini Cooper but is board and so he has a m2 for a demo and someone has phoned the garage and complained.

https://youtu.be/9aevq7EkuXU

That video neatly encapsulates everything I hate about 'vloggers'. Bell. End.

Good god, how can anyone above the age of about 14 admit to watching that

[daemon]

culpz said:

Granfondo said:

culpz said:

Well, you've certainly changed your tune quick. So, you admit that the ease of new fast cars on finance is, in fact, not the reason for such behavior taking place, but it's more about young lads showing off?

Well i never

"Young lads" have always showed off but the prevalence of cheap credit and more so PCP means these noobs are in far far more powerful cars than in the past and when it goes wrong it goes wrong very quickly!

Rubbish. Most people back in the day that i spoke to, who were into their cars, had the old Fast Fords pretty much straight away after passing their driving test, or not long after.

They might not have been cheap lease/pcp deals, but they were clearly cheap enough to buy and insure at the time. In fact, the insurance was probably much more affordable than it is now.

I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.

All in all its a fairly tenuous link to be trying to tie these two M2 crashes to PCP deals when we dont know even if the cars were on finance.

Just people stirring the pot as usual with their unhealthy obsession as to how other people drive what they drive.

It must be a double whammy for them - younger than them AND driving a car they "dont deserve" because it might be on finance.

Edited by daemon on Friday 27th April 13:43

[MarkwG]

culpz said:

Rubbish. Most people back in the day that i spoke to, who were into their cars, had the old Fast Fords pretty much straight away after passing their driving test, or not long after.

They might not have been cheap lease/pcp deals, but they were clearly cheap enough to buy and insure at the time. In fact, the insurance was probably much more affordable than it is now.

I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.

I agree - when I was "that age", yep, the cars were generally older, & self financed but they were also more knackered, & less well protected with safety systems -my first car had drum brakes all round, "safety" glass windscreen, & fixed seatbelts...as well as being mostly made of Isopon...

The net effect is the same, the real problem is lack of quality training in how to manage a vehicle once it breeches whatever level of talent you have, & that isn't age related. The lad in the video above could well have had the same accident in a Ford Escort, back in the day - difference being, he'd probably have died as it rolled over...

[daemon]

MarkwG said:

culpz said:

Rubbish. Most people back in the day that i spoke to, who were into their cars, had the old Fast Fords pretty much straight away after passing their driving test, or not long after.

They might not have been cheap lease/pcp deals, but they were clearly cheap enough to buy and insure at the time. In fact, the insurance was probably much more affordable than it is now.

I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.

I agree - when I was "that age", yep, the cars were generally older, & self financed but they were also more knackered, & less well protected with safety systems -my first car had drum brakes all round, "safety" glass windscreen, & fixed seatbelts...as well as being mostly made of Isopon...

The net effect is the same, the real problem is lack of quality training in how to manage a vehicle once it breeches whatever level of talent you have, & that isn't age related. The lad in the video above could well have had the same accident in a Ford Escort, back in the day - difference being, he'd probably have died as it rolled over...

Yup. One of the local lads when i was a late teen killed himself in an XR2 doing stupid speeds racing another XR2. 96BHP cars....

[Zetec-S]

culpz said:

I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.

Plenty of guys in their early 20's who still live at home and work full time. Assuming at least 3 years driving experience/no claims then an M2's not unobtainable if they really want one.

[culpz]

Zetec-S said:

culpz said:

I also wouldn't call £590 pm for a new M2 cheap, either. Which young lads could afford the payments and insurance on one of those? Not many, i'd wager. Not many at all.

Plenty of guys in their early 20's who still live at home and work full time. Assuming at least 3 years driving experience/no claims then an M2's not unobtainable if they really want one.

Let's be honest though, we're talking a really small percentage here. Think of the insurance figure on top of that, aswell as what they'd need to be earning, salary-wise, just to afford it. That's even before even talking about having other things on finance or just having enough money to themselves for other things.

I'm also referring to these individuals having no intervention or contributions from their parents for the car, just to be clear.