RE: Lotus Elise Cup 250/Exige Cup 380: Driven
Discussion
Leggy said:
I don't think anyone is saying the Elise is £70k.....
To be fair, they are saying it can be. The author clearly states that to get the car down to it's theoretical minimum weight would cost in the region of 20K in extras on top of the base cars 47.5K. So near as damn it 70K.It also quotes Gales as saying that "We could save weight with a carbon fibre body - but then you'd be looking at nearer £70K..."
Which is surely the same thing?
Options will always be optional but I'd be interested to know how many roll out of Hethel closer to the 70K than the 50K.
It would also be interesting to gauge how many would rather pay the extra 20K for a full carbon body to get the weight down as oppose to a host of minor measures adding up to the same amount.
Matt Bird said:
Agh, busted! Apologies, don't know what happened there. Richard's not sure and I've just completely missed it. Thanks for pointing this rather embarrassing clanger out. Should be sorted now!
Cheers,
Matt
You may also want to proof read the fourth paragraph and change the two errors.Cheers,
Matt
gigglebug said:
Leggy said:
I don't think anyone is saying the Elise is £70k.....
To be fair, they are saying it can be. The author clearly states that to get the car down to it's theoretical minimum weight would cost in the region of 20K in extras on top of the base cars 47.5K. So near as damn it 70K.It also quotes Gales as saying that "We could save weight with a carbon fibre body - but then you'd be looking at nearer £70K..."
Which is surely the same thing?
Options will always be optional but I'd be interested to know how many roll out of Hethel closer to the 70K than the 50K.
It would also be interesting to gauge how many would rather pay the extra 20K for a full carbon body to get the weight down as oppose to a host of minor measures adding up to the same amount.
For those that think they would and don't want to/can't afford to stump up the cash, go secondhand.
An extremely glowing review of what must be one of the best road and track cars at any price. Great stuff.
SidewaysSi said:
As said above, a 2ubular would be a tenth of the price of the Lotus item. As for the other stuff, I am not convinced many people will notice the reduction in weight.
For those that think they would and don't want to/can't afford to stump up the cash, go secondhand.
An extremely glowing review of what must be one of the best road and track cars at any price. Great stuff.
I would want a roofFor those that think they would and don't want to/can't afford to stump up the cash, go secondhand.
An extremely glowing review of what must be one of the best road and track cars at any price. Great stuff.
AP disks
carbon sills for better entry
AC
alcantara pack
alcantra wheel
nice paint
So while not £20k options it's £8 or £9k worth so £57k, A tublar is not made of Ti ! so not much weight saving, and not a tenth of the price lol it's £2k for a Tublar in steel, the Lotus is £4k in Ti so 1/2 the price for the Tublar but still double the weight I bet !
when Porsche quote a weight it;'s the weight you buy a stock car for, yes most people add back in the weight of AC and radio but you don't PAY for the advertised weight.
here the headline figures are aimed at lighter weight car and for that you need to spend the £70k to get anywhere near it :-(
I love it, I want it, I am not paying even the £57k for the one I speced let alone £70k for the one with Carbon and Ti bits and lets face it we all want the Carbon aero and Ti exhaust lol
All well and good saying buy 2nd hand but they don't sell many cars !!! not easy to buy a cup 220, there are no cup 250 about.
one has to wait for the 50/50 deals to mature and get in when people realise they cannot afford the end payment, sad way of thinking but realistic view sorry to say.
other 2nd hand stock has not moved !!! there are some great v6 exiges about at £45k, and Elise 220 but nothing has sold in months and it's peak season !
As people want new and the outlay of only 50% is less than forking out for a new car NO 2nd hand cars seem to be selling !!!!
hence why one has to bide time and wait for 2 year old cars.
every dealer has sport 380 stock and a choice ! Lotus Midlands have had the same stock all year as have most dealers :-( !
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 17th June 09:50
I'm just in the process of buying a fully-loaded 2017 Elise 250 Special Edition, the last of the line of the pre-facelift model (which is even lighter than this newer version). I'm buying it using the 50:50 finance and list price (the most expensive one in the U.K.) was £55k. I paid nowhere near that and there are at least half a dozen pre-facelift 2017 250 Cup cars at dealers right now, under £50k list. The outgoing ones are a bargain and a future classic.
SidewaysSi said:
An extremely glowing review of what must be one of the best road and track cars at any price. Great stuff.
An enjoyable read and one that ignites the desire!Interesting to hear the 380s are sold out; quite the contrast to the PH thread of the car's launch that was all about bonkers pricing and that none would sell.
The lotus brand is stronger than people think. Whenever Lotus have produced a good looking car with decent performance it has done well. Whenever they produced an ugly or underpowered car they have struggled to shift them. At present the styling, and performance is pretty solid across the board so I'm not surprised their doing well.
Ferrari/Lamborghini pricing is going up and up, their was a time when a V8 Ferrari was not far off the cost of a 911, now they cost nearly 3 times as much. Theirs a solid market under those exotics for similarly low volume cars but at more affordable price points.
Not everyone that can't afford a 488 wants a 911
Ferrari/Lamborghini pricing is going up and up, their was a time when a V8 Ferrari was not far off the cost of a 911, now they cost nearly 3 times as much. Theirs a solid market under those exotics for similarly low volume cars but at more affordable price points.
Not everyone that can't afford a 488 wants a 911
Hellers said:
I'm just in the process of buying a fully-loaded 2017 Elise 250 Special Edition, the last of the line of the pre-facelift model (which is even lighter than this newer version). I'm buying it using the 50:50 finance and list price (the most expensive one in the U.K.) was £55k. I paid nowhere near that and there are at least half a dozen pre-facelift 2017 250 Cup cars at dealers right now, under £50k list. The outgoing ones are a bargain and a future classic.
Not sure a SD is a good buy when the new cars have the much nicer gear shift, the older shift is a bit of a sticking point if I were buying a £50k Elise, and would rather buy a Sprint.stuman69er said:
So, for cars with some of the lowest depreciation how can they have such truly dire PCP deals? Currently putting money away to buy, but would have my bum in one tomorrow if the PCP wasn't so crazy.
I will have one. Just hope it's before 2020 "refresh"
You have a point I looked at a sport 220 and the future value on a pcp was £9k lol I will have one. Just hope it's before 2020 "refresh"
Wtf !!
The 50/50 sells new cars, screw the owners, it's a harsh way to push a car and kills 2nd hand stock.but lotus have always screwed owners hence people move on, now other brands are screwing owners , I just think buying any new car These days is not a fun thing like it once was.
As I said some great prices on 2 year old hand back though, it's just a waiting game.
Be interesting what the Sport 380 will be after 2 years.
braddo said:
An enjoyable read and one that ignites the desire!Interesting to hear the 380s are sold out; quite the contrast to the PH thread of the car's launch that was all about bonkers pricing and that none would sell.
The issue is spec, look at sport 380 stock, prob 15 cars to choose from not one has the track pack, and it's a track car really !! Again wtf
Porsche911R said:
braddo said:
An enjoyable read and one that ignites the desire!Interesting to hear the 380s are sold out; quite the contrast to the PH thread of the car's launch that was all about bonkers pricing and that none would sell.
The issue is spec, look at sport 380 stock, prob 15 cars to choose from not one has the track pack, and it's a track car really !! Again wtf
Great cars and I would love an Elise 250 cup, but the review misses some very crucial points, or gives poor info:
The 250 cup gearbox can not handle track use, I know a 220 cup owner who has rebuilt the gearbox 3 times in 5000miles.
The V6 gearbox and it's ratios are not suited to track use, the sequential box is essential but is not practical for road use. For this reason I would not buy a V6 as a road/track car.
I would buy a 250cup but would have to fork out for gearbox modifications to make it reliable. You would think Lotus would do these mods for a track focused car, rather than slapping in a standard inadequate gearbox. The other problem is the supercharger/cooling system is not really adequate for track use. So as the intake temps rise when on track, the cars power drops. Again this needs modifying and will cost plenty !
I will have to wait until the Elise cups come down in price in the 2nd hand market before I make the plunge, due to having to spend on upgrades, to make it fit for purpose.
They do look fantastic though !
The 250 cup gearbox can not handle track use, I know a 220 cup owner who has rebuilt the gearbox 3 times in 5000miles.
The V6 gearbox and it's ratios are not suited to track use, the sequential box is essential but is not practical for road use. For this reason I would not buy a V6 as a road/track car.
I would buy a 250cup but would have to fork out for gearbox modifications to make it reliable. You would think Lotus would do these mods for a track focused car, rather than slapping in a standard inadequate gearbox. The other problem is the supercharger/cooling system is not really adequate for track use. So as the intake temps rise when on track, the cars power drops. Again this needs modifying and will cost plenty !
I will have to wait until the Elise cups come down in price in the 2nd hand market before I make the plunge, due to having to spend on upgrades, to make it fit for purpose.
They do look fantastic though !
Peregrine Falcon said:
The 250 cup gearbox can not handle track use, I know a 220 cup owner who has rebuilt the gearbox 3 times in 5000miles.
What went wrong with them? Usually Elise mechanical problems get plastered all over the various forums; I know a number have failed at higher states of tune but I wasn't aware of any failures on unmodified cars. Edited by kambites on Sunday 18th June 18:00
The 3rd and 4th gear breaks.
They cant handle the power, but at normally aspirated power levels they are fine.
After market gears are available:
http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-gearb...
They cant handle the power, but at normally aspirated power levels they are fine.
After market gears are available:
http://www.hangar111.com/shop/lotus-2-eleven-gearb...
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