Being warned by other motorists......police camera van ahead
Discussion
CivBrum said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Jaguar steve said:
I'll grant you don't always have to agree with the law but not showing any respect for what it represents in supporting the common good that's there to benefit everyone in society represents exactly the attitude you accuse me of which is nothing more then self-centered nihilism.
This is what gets to me. I apparently, am not a member of 'society'. The people coming the other way who warn me of a speedtrap because they think the limit is unnecessarily low aren't members of society. The drivers behind me who are impatient because I'm sticking to that limit aren't.'Society' just seems to consist of Jaguar Steve, the speed trap operators, and any local who thinks a speed limit should be reduced.
If we try and point out that certain limits can't be justified on safety grounds, we are told that's perfectly OK because they are there to save fuel, reduce noise, encourage 'modal shift', reduce CO2 emissions so it's quite OK for them to be set well below the maximum safe speed. Simultaneously, we are told that exceeding any limit, any time anywhere, or even suggesting that exceeding it in certain circumstances might be quite safe, makes us dangerous hooligans.
Whoever 'Society' is, it must be obeyed at all times and fortunately we have Jaguar Steve (and one or two other posters) who know exactly what Society wants and so we must do as they say.
For the record I have never been booked, warned, sent on a speed awareness course or stopped for speeding. I've never even been flashed by a speed camera. I've been driving for almost 40 years and they haven't got me yet. Because I do stick to the limits nearly all the time. The reason I'd like some limits raised is because life would be easier if I could keep up with the traffic.
In future, play the ball, not the man.
People who never speed anywhere ever can justifiably criticise others for doing so. That'll be no-one then, so why are people still criticising others on here?
I would and do flash others because the end result is the same, except that the Govt doesn't benefit financially from the bs claim that it's in the name of safety.
I would and do flash others because the end result is the same, except that the Govt doesn't benefit financially from the bs claim that it's in the name of safety.
NoIP said:
Jaguar steve said:
So it's a misfortune in your view that somebody gets nicked when placing their own need for inappropriate speed on a higher priority than respecting the law yes? Would you apply that same world view and assist anybody in avoiding the misfortune of being nicked when evading the law in some other way too?
I'll grant you don't always have to agree with the law but not showing any respect for what it represents in supporting the common good that's there to benefit everyone in society represents exactly the attitude you accuse me of which is nothing more then self-centered nihilism.
I'm much more interested myself in anybody not getting inconvenienced, hurt or even worse than I am in somebody being a few minutes late for whatever it is they are driving too fast for either the circumstances or the limit to arrive at.
I'll grant you don't always have to agree with the law but not showing any respect for what it represents in supporting the common good that's there to benefit everyone in society represents exactly the attitude you accuse me of which is nothing more then self-centered nihilism.
I'm much more interested myself in anybody not getting inconvenienced, hurt or even worse than I am in somebody being a few minutes late for whatever it is they are driving too fast for either the circumstances or the limit to arrive at.
Jaguar steve said:
If just one can be prevented by judicious use of Plod in a van tugging those who choose to speed inappropriately because they're too thick to understand the potential consequences or enough of a Cock not to care about the potential consequences then I'd say that's a win for everybody.
So in short then, in your warped little mind it's absolutely fine to be messing with the radio or hacking out a text message, thus not concentrating on the road, so long as you're driving at or under the posted speed limit, but anyone fully concentrating on the road and driving over the speed limit should be hung, drawn and quartered because ZOMFG SPEED KILLZ!!!!11. Right.. 
You need to delete Brake's website from your favourites list then come back here and try again with a clear head.
Edited by NoIP on Sunday 25th June 15:27
No of course it's not OK to faff about with a phone or ipod or radio when driving. But all of this everyday f
kwittery including exactly that as well as inappropriate speed - too fast and too slow, not paying attention to or considering the needs of other road users, displaying a illegal numberplate, abusing parking restrictions or generally behaving like a Cock on the road all stems from the same selfish attitude.And that's an attitude that says it's OK to f
k with the law if it suits me. It says even though I know I shouldn't do any of this because there's good reasons not too chances are I'm not going to get nicked and especially so if other people collude with me to avoid getting a tug. Bottom line of all that clearly says it's all about me and bks to the needs of everybody else.I'm not defending the law for defending the law's sake. I'm defending it because that's all there is as a barrier against individuals selfish and stupid behaviour. Individuals like the guy who got prosecuted for doing 57 in a 30 through my village recently, as well as the half a dozen others who also got nicked - I wouldn't have warned him or anybody else there was a camera van because frankly that's a lesson about considering others rather than just themselves they obviously all badly needed.
ETA. I'll add this too for the record.
I passed my test in 1979. In 1980 I had three accidents, one minor drift into a ditch and two serious, a multiple rollover and a very high speed off. In the dim and distant past I've also been prosecuted after another accident for Inconsiderate (plea bargained down from dangerous) Driving, Careless Driving, only avoided a Drink Driving conviction by 1mg and been stopped and "spoken too" by Plod on more occasions than I can remember.
So I'm hardy a Goody Two Shoes myself... I've just learned since then there's other people in the world too.
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Edited by Jaguar steve on Sunday 25th June 17:05
Jaguar steve said:
NoIP said:
Jaguar steve said:
So it's a misfortune in your view that somebody gets nicked when placing their own need for inappropriate speed on a higher priority than respecting the law yes? Would you apply that same world view and assist anybody in avoiding the misfortune of being nicked when evading the law in some other way too?
I'll grant you don't always have to agree with the law but not showing any respect for what it represents in supporting the common good that's there to benefit everyone in society represents exactly the attitude you accuse me of which is nothing more then self-centered nihilism.
I'm much more interested myself in anybody not getting inconvenienced, hurt or even worse than I am in somebody being a few minutes late for whatever it is they are driving too fast for either the circumstances or the limit to arrive at.
I'll grant you don't always have to agree with the law but not showing any respect for what it represents in supporting the common good that's there to benefit everyone in society represents exactly the attitude you accuse me of which is nothing more then self-centered nihilism.
I'm much more interested myself in anybody not getting inconvenienced, hurt or even worse than I am in somebody being a few minutes late for whatever it is they are driving too fast for either the circumstances or the limit to arrive at.
Jaguar steve said:
If just one can be prevented by judicious use of Plod in a van tugging those who choose to speed inappropriately because they're too thick to understand the potential consequences or enough of a Cock not to care about the potential consequences then I'd say that's a win for everybody.
So in short then, in your warped little mind it's absolutely fine to be messing with the radio or hacking out a text message, thus not concentrating on the road, so long as you're driving at or under the posted speed limit, but anyone fully concentrating on the road and driving over the speed limit should be hung, drawn and quartered because ZOMFG SPEED KILLZ!!!!11. Right.. You need to delete Brake's website from your favourites list then come back here and try again with a clear head.
Edited by NoIP on Sunday 25th June 15:27
No of course it's not OK to faff about with a phone or ipod or radio when driving. But all of this everyday f
kwittery including exactly that as well as inappropriate speed - too fast and too slow, not paying attention to or considering the needs of other road users, displaying a illegal numberplate, abusing parking restrictions or generally behaving like a Cock on the road all stems from the same selfish attitude.And that's an attitude that says it's OK to f
k with the law if it suits me. It says even though I know I shouldn't do any of this because there's good reasons not too chances are I'm not going to get nicked and especially so if other people collude with me to avoid getting a tug. Bottom line of all that clearly says it's all about me and bks to the needs of everybody else.I'm not defending the law for defending the law's sake. I'm defending it because that's all there is as a barrier against individuals selfish and stupid behaviour. Individuals like the guy who got prosecuted for doing 57 in a 30 through my village recently, as well as the half a dozen others who also got nicked - I wouldn't have warned him or anybody else there was a camera van because frankly that's a lesson about considering others rather than just themselves they obviously all badly needed.
I'm sure if you had your way you'd have me thrown in the slammer and the key thrown away if you'd witnessed me triggering a digital speed sign at nearly 2.5x the limit the other night. What used to be a NSL on a long, wide, straight and flat A road has recently had the 30 limit pulled forward by 3/4 of a mile for absolutely no reason whatsoever. There is one wide and well-sighted side road junction in the middle of nowhere and what was previously a perfectly reasonable NSL until where the houses actually started a mile up the road has now been reduced to a 30mph crawl. It's the perfect example of a speed limit being completely inappropriate and evidenced by the fact that everyone is still doing at least 45 because there's no reason to slow down other than the placement of some arbitary 30 signs by the local council in the middle of the countryside. I'm sure in your eyes I'm a complete menace and scourge on society, though.
A lot of the speed limits are being reduced to inappropriate limits as far as I'm concerned. I don't consider it a 'crime' to drive to the former limits especially when nothing on the road has changed. The lowering of limits is becoming ridiculous and probably encourages more dumbed down driving.
People can dawdle along at a lower speed feeling safe whilst they drink their coffee and play with the gadgets in their cars which are fast becoming mobile homes. I prefer to concentrate on the road not watch the tv or a laptop whilst I'm driving.
It's also been done to death on here that speeding is rarely the cause of accidents. Other causes come first so perhaps education would be the way forward. Oh wait, it doesn't generate an income or revenue stream. If safety was the real issue we'd see more education being promoted. I'd welcome that, then we could all drive at more sensible limits and be safe :-)
People can dawdle along at a lower speed feeling safe whilst they drink their coffee and play with the gadgets in their cars which are fast becoming mobile homes. I prefer to concentrate on the road not watch the tv or a laptop whilst I'm driving.
It's also been done to death on here that speeding is rarely the cause of accidents. Other causes come first so perhaps education would be the way forward. Oh wait, it doesn't generate an income or revenue stream. If safety was the real issue we'd see more education being promoted. I'd welcome that, then we could all drive at more sensible limits and be safe :-)
Well jaguar steve, you have crated a furore in a stormy teacup. Sadly I have to say that many posters in reply to you have not really understood what you have to say. So it's the usual reaction from all the serial and default speeders on PH, insults. I'm surprised that you have not been accused of being a troll, or worse.
Edited by nonsequitur on Sunday 25th June 18:17
Jimboka said:
Warning other motorists that they are approaching an accident blackspot / school etc, sounds a good thing to do on safety grounds.
When my son was learning to drive his instructor told him never to flash headlights. It could be interpreted in the wrong way. HC states' only to let another motorist that you are there'. But there's nothing like the occasional flash.Edited by nonsequitur on Sunday 25th June 18:36
Jimboka said:
Warning other motorists that they are approaching an accident blackspot / school etc, sounds a good thing to do on safety grounds.
There's nothing wrong with that. The authorities warn people about such things.Where there is a problem is where you are obstructing Police in the execution of their duty. That is (in this particular type of case) where they have started the process of gaining evidence of speeding against somebody & you wilfully interfere with that process & in doing so prevent them gaining the evidence they need to prosecute.
The courts are quite happy they can tell the difference from the circumstances reported to them in obstructing Police cases (even where people are protesting they were merely trying to clean their windscreen but pulled the wrong lever - after all they don't have to believe you just because you claim that to be the case).
nonsequitur said:
Well jaguar steve, you have crated a furore in a stormy teacup. Sadly I have to say that many posters in reply to you have not really understood what you have to say. So it's the usual reaction from all the serial and default speeders on PH, insults. I'm surprised that you have not been accused of being a troll, or worse.
Brave man knowing he will get 'beaten up'.Edited by nonsequitur on Sunday 25th June 18:17
Hitting a child whilst doing 40 in a 30 alters one's thinking about observing the limit in town. [The child was not injured.]
In a 30mph zone I wouldn't be inclined to flash anyone if I saw any potential hazards, purely because you deserve to get caught, no reason for going above 30 imho.
Any speeds of 50mph and above I would class this as a dangerous road so may let people know of potential hazards whilst trying to wash my windscreen.
That said though if I see the community speed watch bellends with their visi-vests on, then I do usually annoy them by doing 20mph up to them and when I pass them just stamp the accelerator quickly on and off, so no speed is actually gained but they get a really loud bark from the exhaust, making them think I have just floored it off from them, which they will usually spin around quicker than a stripper on an oiled up pole, only to then measure my speed between 20-25mph. Yes, it is super childish but it will also make you chuckle for quite a while and it does throw them off their game for a brief second, you're giving them that power trip they crave so much only to snatch it away from them a second later
Any speeds of 50mph and above I would class this as a dangerous road so may let people know of potential hazards whilst trying to wash my windscreen.
That said though if I see the community speed watch bellends with their visi-vests on, then I do usually annoy them by doing 20mph up to them and when I pass them just stamp the accelerator quickly on and off, so no speed is actually gained but they get a really loud bark from the exhaust, making them think I have just floored it off from them, which they will usually spin around quicker than a stripper on an oiled up pole, only to then measure my speed between 20-25mph. Yes, it is super childish but it will also make you chuckle for quite a while and it does throw them off their game for a brief second, you're giving them that power trip they crave so much only to snatch it away from them a second later
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