RS5 - loses the V8 & the character?

[AlmostUseful]

Ares said:

AlmostUseful said:

Ruskins said:

Anyone describing that colour as "baby sick" green has never seen baby sick ...

That's what I thought, what the hell are they feedin their babies if that's the colour of their vomit?!?

Kale, Spirulina and Wheatgrass of course. We ARE talking about Audi owners ;-)

I hadn't thought of that, baby sick green it is then! *wanders off to order one.




















In grey

[culpz]

janesmith1950 said:

culpz said:

Correct. Is there any follow up to that or are you simply making a statement which i was already fully aware of? I don't mean to come across as rude but i'm just trying to see where you're coming from here.

That's actually part of my point. The M3 has never really been about a big V8, but there is argument for the E92 M3 providing what the F80 couldn't match, in terms of noise and response.

No need to worry, no sounding rude on your part.

Your point was that BMW were downsizing and 'moving away' from the larger engines. My point was that the odd one out in the M3 range is really the V8, as the straight engines have been the mainstay of that range. At 3l, the engine in the current M3 isn't particularly downsized in the style of, say, a 1l Focus or Mondeo replacing a 1.6.

On that basis I'd say the M3 isn't a particularly strong example to illustrate the trend for downsizing.

If anything, Audi and Mercedes had been using unusually large engines for relatively small vehicles, in the A4 and C-Class.

I see what you're saying. But, there's nothing to stop the BMW upsizing again with the M3. Although, i doubt they'll go V8 again, unfortunately. That appears to have been left to the M5. As far as i know, the next one will have another V8 but we can't assume it will stay that way.

Speaking of the M5, don't forget the various engine iterations that have been rolled out for that car over the years. We can't just assume that the fate of the M3 is a 6-cylinder in various states of tune, just because that is the type of unit that has been put in the car the most.

The C-Class AMG has always been about a huge engine. It's a German muscle car at the end of the day. The Audi A4 though? Nope. The RS4 over the years has gone from a 2.7 V6 bi-turbo to a 4.2 N/A V8 to another 4.2 V8 and it now appears to be going back to a turbo V6.

[Leins]

I agree that AMG, and by default now Mercedes, are really the only ones with a heritage of putting large engines in small execs (3.2 190E), although you could also include Alpina too with their 3.5L E30s and 4L E36. BMW M looked to get into this market, but weren't comfortable putting the M635's 3.5 25v I6 into the E30

Audi was doing with with the 100 back in the early 90s (S4 4.2), but in the 80/A4 class it was always smaller capacity turbos like the RS2 and B5 RS4