RE: Morgan 4/4: PH Heroes
Discussion
If you take the mid-range model instead with 2-litre Duratec, better tyres, suspension etc it's a much better experience and quite rapid enough for overtaking and fun, as I found when I hired one from Sportscarhire in Shrewsbury and toured the Triangle etc - and 5* meal at The Hand at Llanarmon as below 
Edited by tail slide on Tuesday 27th June 15:46
big_rob_sydney said:
Must admit, I simply dont get this. If harking back to 1955 is the starting point, then you would think they've had the time to fix a few of the issues. A leaky roof may have been okay 62 years ago, but this isn't something I personally would accept today. Asking for even a modicum of panel fit and finish shouldnt be seen as asking for too much in this day and age.
Sorry, but this is a total fail for me, and I'd be more inclined to look at something modern, if only for the abundance of safety features modern cars give you when driving on congested roads amongst other drivers who are likely enough to be distracted by any number of things, assuming they werent driving under the influence of a stimulant in the first case.
Dinosaurs died out for a reason.
Oh dear, classic cars clearly aren't for you. An XC90 would be more your thing I suspect...Sorry, but this is a total fail for me, and I'd be more inclined to look at something modern, if only for the abundance of safety features modern cars give you when driving on congested roads amongst other drivers who are likely enough to be distracted by any number of things, assuming they werent driving under the influence of a stimulant in the first case.
Dinosaurs died out for a reason.
WCZ said:
jerseyman said:
"Not a car for Drivers"? No ABS, no Traction Control, no stability systems, no ultra sticky ultra wide tyres, no power steering, no cup holders, no GPS, no ICE (well almost none), no air-con, no sequential box et al.
I would respectfully suggest that they are exactly the car for drivers.
why wouldn't a 'driver' want sticky tyres? I would respectfully suggest that they are exactly the car for drivers.
holes anyone had ever met, apparently.WCZ said:
jerseyman said:
"Not a car for Drivers"? No ABS, no Traction Control, no stability systems, no ultra sticky ultra wide tyres, no power steering, no cup holders, no GPS, no ICE (well almost none), no air-con, no sequential box et al.
I would respectfully suggest that they are exactly the car for drivers.
why wouldn't a 'driver' want sticky tyres? I would respectfully suggest that they are exactly the car for drivers.
Big GT said:
WCZ said:
jerseyman said:
"Not a car for Drivers"? No ABS, no Traction Control, no stability systems, no ultra sticky ultra wide tyres, no power steering, no cup holders, no GPS, no ICE (well almost none), no air-con, no sequential box et al.
I would respectfully suggest that they are exactly the car for drivers.
why wouldn't a 'driver' want sticky tyres? I would respectfully suggest that they are exactly the car for drivers.
After 10 Caterhams and countless other cars I just had to try a Morgan. The write up sums up a lot of what I think.
To compare it to the Caterham is missing the point badly. The fun with the Morgan can be had at 40mph or even slower if you wish, the shackles of having to prove any points are also banished.
I love its quirkiness, I love having to buy a grease gun and I love the way people actively want to talk and engage in chat about the car when you are out and about, rather than pretending they haven't seen you or throwing a dirty look.
I bought one of the 4/4 80th Anniversary cars and I'm so pleased with the change from the normal "screamer" that the Elise Cup has not turned a wheel since the little thing arrived.
And yes it's 100% British and I'm proud to be part of it.;)
To compare it to the Caterham is missing the point badly. The fun with the Morgan can be had at 40mph or even slower if you wish, the shackles of having to prove any points are also banished.
I love its quirkiness, I love having to buy a grease gun and I love the way people actively want to talk and engage in chat about the car when you are out and about, rather than pretending they haven't seen you or throwing a dirty look.
I bought one of the 4/4 80th Anniversary cars and I'm so pleased with the change from the normal "screamer" that the Elise Cup has not turned a wheel since the little thing arrived.
And yes it's 100% British and I'm proud to be part of it.;)
An honest article. Owned a +8 for 35 years, 250k miles, 43 countries. Modified V8, 290bhp, No roof, no sidescreens so always open since 1987. Sure I have got wet very occasionally. Owned 911s, various AMG Mercs, driven Ferraris, R8, GTRs.
It's just a fabulous car to drive. Early morning drive through the Picos Mountains in N. Spain last month in the perfect car. (And I don't wear tweed)
It's just a fabulous car to drive. Early morning drive through the Picos Mountains in N. Spain last month in the perfect car. (And I don't wear tweed)
Its an interesting article , personally very similar to my experience . Never got along with Morgan until the Aero 8 came along then saw the cross eyed lights and thought ..oh! then in 2007 they fixed the lights and well I bought one and still have it, I love it !
Was never a great lover of the traditional Morgan but the local Morgan Richard Thorne has let me borrow one when mine was in for a service.Now I am 6ft 5 and amazingly I fitted in it quite nicely, ok with the roof down.. It really was a basic fun the cars slides but with good control and it goes well... I guess that's what its all about fun its different and smiles in a world of H&S, I shall leave it there !
Was never a great lover of the traditional Morgan but the local Morgan Richard Thorne has let me borrow one when mine was in for a service.Now I am 6ft 5 and amazingly I fitted in it quite nicely, ok with the roof down.. It really was a basic fun the cars slides but with good control and it goes well... I guess that's what its all about fun its different and smiles in a world of H&S, I shall leave it there !
Gixer_fan said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Must admit, I simply dont get this. If harking back to 1955 is the starting point, then you would think they've had the time to fix a few of the issues. A leaky roof may have been okay 62 years ago, but this isn't something I personally would accept today. Asking for even a modicum of panel fit and finish shouldnt be seen as asking for too much in this day and age.
Sorry, but this is a total fail for me, and I'd be more inclined to look at something modern, if only for the abundance of safety features modern cars give you when driving on congested roads amongst other drivers who are likely enough to be distracted by any number of things, assuming they werent driving under the influence of a stimulant in the first case.
Dinosaurs died out for a reason.
Oh dear, classic cars clearly aren't for you. An XC90 would be more your thing I suspect...Sorry, but this is a total fail for me, and I'd be more inclined to look at something modern, if only for the abundance of safety features modern cars give you when driving on congested roads amongst other drivers who are likely enough to be distracted by any number of things, assuming they werent driving under the influence of a stimulant in the first case.
Dinosaurs died out for a reason.
No connection to Morgan though I do live 200yds from them. See my garage and you will see I like old sheds. A well written and honest article that managed to bring out the usual petty and childish comments from some of our fellow forum members. Morgans are a "niche" product for those that can afford them and all their impracticality. They have a huge following and with approximately 40 thousand tours of the factory each year are clearly popular and to some representative of an era long gone. I would happily take someone out in my old Jag or Triumph and let them see what it means to drive a car. I've never driven a TVR but imagine it is much the same as a Morgan in that you need to feel and understand through your senses what the machine is doing and it's limits and yours. As such every journey is special.
I absolutely love my Morgan. It's an absolute mental beast of a car. It's a +8 with the BMW M5 engine 370 bhp, 1220kg. It sounds utterly incredible especially when you wring it out in 2nd and 3rd gears. Pottering around at 30mph and just lifting off generates the most ludicrous v8 pops and bangs you can imagine. It's also built brilliantly well. It's really lovely and it's very fast. Sure it bounces and hops but that's part of the character, it's not a modern car, but it's more engaging because of it.
The car has the alloy chassis from the Aero with the trad body of the Plus 4/roadster. The brakes are just ridiculous, possibly the best I've had on a road car. It's also ridiculously easy to power slide!!
So if you think a Morgan is boring, I'd suggest they aren't, they are all very, very different. From the +4 and it's loveliness to the crazy 3 wheeler, to the quirky Aero, Morgan makes something different to anyone else on the planet in 2017. I understand not everyone likes the concept but if you've even got a slight interest, I'd recommend trying one!
The car has the alloy chassis from the Aero with the trad body of the Plus 4/roadster. The brakes are just ridiculous, possibly the best I've had on a road car. It's also ridiculously easy to power slide!!
So if you think a Morgan is boring, I'd suggest they aren't, they are all very, very different. From the +4 and it's loveliness to the crazy 3 wheeler, to the quirky Aero, Morgan makes something different to anyone else on the planet in 2017. I understand not everyone likes the concept but if you've even got a slight interest, I'd recommend trying one!
Lagerlout said:
I absolutely love my Morgan. It's an absolute mental beast of a car. It's a +8 with the BMW M5 engine 370 bhp, 1220kg. It sounds utterly incredible especially when you wring it out in 2nd and 3rd gears. Pottering around at 30mph and just lifting off generates the most ludicrous v8 pops and bangs you can imagine. It's also built brilliantly well. It's really lovely and it's very fast. Sure it bounces and hops but that's part of the character, it's not a modern car, but it's more engaging because of it.
The car has the alloy chassis from the Aero with the trad body of the Plus 4/roadster. The brakes are just ridiculous, possibly the best I've had on a road car. It's also ridiculously easy to power slide!!
So if you think a Morgan is boring, I'd suggest they aren't, they are all very, very different. From the +4 and it's loveliness to the crazy 3 wheeler, to the quirky Aero, Morgan makes something different to anyone else on the planet in 2017. I understand not everyone likes the concept but if you've even got a slight interest, I'd recommend trying one!
That looks utterly fantastic! You have a truly great garage...The car has the alloy chassis from the Aero with the trad body of the Plus 4/roadster. The brakes are just ridiculous, possibly the best I've had on a road car. It's also ridiculously easy to power slide!!
So if you think a Morgan is boring, I'd suggest they aren't, they are all very, very different. From the +4 and it's loveliness to the crazy 3 wheeler, to the quirky Aero, Morgan makes something different to anyone else on the planet in 2017. I understand not everyone likes the concept but if you've even got a slight interest, I'd recommend trying one!
A bloke who thinks an M4 pulling 2 G's on a bend is where it's at is never going to understand a trad Morgan.
I consider it a privilege that one can go and buy a brand new 1930's British sports car.
Morgans are not for everyone. They have impeccable class and style!
A bit like a Rolex Submariner. A brand new old watch
Footnote I've just bought a MX5 boxed 4/4 and love it to bits..!
I consider it a privilege that one can go and buy a brand new 1930's British sports car.
Morgans are not for everyone. They have impeccable class and style!
A bit like a Rolex Submariner. A brand new old watch
Footnote I've just bought a MX5 boxed 4/4 and love it to bits..!
ilovequo said:
What does a Morgan do that a Caterham doesn't do
A. Better
B. Cheaper
good questions. I know these cars well, so:A. Better
B. Cheaper
- Morgan has better weather gear. Seriously. It may only be 3/10, but Caterham is 1/10
- friendlier reception when touring, though Caterham gets an excellent reception too. Mog is never threatening.
- it feels more like a touring car and is well suited to smooth roads in the countryside. France is ideal.
- SWMBO approval
But they aren't cheap and have anachronistic suspension. They handle very well on smooth roads, utter crap on broken surfaces.
They're great as a 5th car assuming you've already got a Lotus or Caterham.
Celebrate that they exist, they're fun. Caterham better in most cases.
PS i have no idea why sticky rubber is mandatory for a driver's car?
I started with a 140,000 mile 4/4 back in my early 20's, it was probably one of the highest mileage Morgans about but gave me great service, including 3,000 miles through Europe in 10 days, quite a tour, with map blowing around in the cockpit (pre sat-nav days but very like being in an open cockpit (I flew a Tiger Moth once in Feb, not so dissimilar)!).
I moved on to a +8 that had been hill climbed at Goodwood, then rebuilt with a much uprated engine (but not brakes), I remember what was at the time (late 90's) amazing acceleration especially from say 40-100 leptons.
That then went so I could buy a sensible car (Lotus Elise) when I went to uni to do a masters, another Morgan then followed later on when I had a family, replaced by a Maserati Gransport and then a 964. Of them all, in real world conditions, the Morgans were the most fun and always got a warm reaction. Still hanker after another one...
I moved on to a +8 that had been hill climbed at Goodwood, then rebuilt with a much uprated engine (but not brakes), I remember what was at the time (late 90's) amazing acceleration especially from say 40-100 leptons.
That then went so I could buy a sensible car (Lotus Elise) when I went to uni to do a masters, another Morgan then followed later on when I had a family, replaced by a Maserati Gransport and then a 964. Of them all, in real world conditions, the Morgans were the most fun and always got a warm reaction. Still hanker after another one...
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