RE: Audi RS5: Review
Discussion
kambites said:
Ares said:
Smart money will lease (or rent as the w
kers call it 
).
What's wrong with using the term "rent"? A lease is, pretty much by definition, a type of rental contract. kers call it ).To rent a car, you pay for the amount upfront for the duration of the rental. 2 weeks, pay two weeks upfront (unless you have an agreement to pay on return, in which case you pay for the car in full, on return. To pay for a car monthly is a lease.
kambites said:
Ares said:
Go and drive them. They are not GTs.
Call them sports saloons, call the sports cars, whatever, but they are not GTs, especially not the M.
I don't think "GT" and "sports saloon" are contradictory, I suppose it's a matter of semantics though. I haven't driven the current M4, but I've driven most of the previous versions (M3s, obviously) and I'd certainly call them GTs with the exception of the E30. Call them sports saloons, call the sports cars, whatever, but they are not GTs, especially not the M.
Admittedly I have far less experience of AMGs.
ETA: If anything I'd say the M4 is likely to make a better GT than this because BMW M-cars tend to ride significantly better than Audi's RS models.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 6th July 09:41
silentbrown said:
MrScrot said:
£80K is an obscene amount of money. You are getting into Porsche territory at that price.
Broadspeed already discounting by almost £4K so entry price is £59K.A previous gen S5 with MRC remap/pulley/exhaust should make nearly 480BHP...
silentbrown said:
Broadspeed already discounting by almost £4K so entry price is £59K.
No, apparently it's £80k 
. Not that price lists are usually of any relevance at those price points as the deals tend to be on the lease front.SuperHans. said:
Secondly, eighty thousand pounds...
GTEYE said:
I£80k would be better spent elsewhere (M4 CS....?)
Arsecati said:
81 GRAND????????
I love Audi's, but stone me - there are about 100+ more things I could think of to get for £81,000 than this!
81 Grand??? @£%$ me!!!!!
I love Audi's, but stone me - there are about 100+ more things I could think of to get for £81,000 than this!
81 Grand??? @£%$ me!!!!!
jakesmith said:
£81k...
big_rob_sydney said:
Wow. 80k = disappointment.
Expensive pill to swallow, that.
Expensive pill to swallow, that.
luggie said:
Eighty thousand pounds. Jebus
rare6499 said:
At about 80k with all those options I would rather have a proper GT and get the new Lexus LC.
MrScrot said:
£80K is an obscene amount of money. You are getting into Porsche territory at that price.
Adamski69 said:
80. THOUSAND. POUNDS +!!!!!! Joke surely. :-/
AshBurrows said:
I don't understand the customer base of Audis S/RS cars.
I know it's a trope but the whole "interior is well made and lovely" thing cannot be it.
Kinda just seems the Focus RS owners' choice, a couple of segments up.
We must have some owners in here. What drew you to it?
It WAS the V8. Friend of mine that now runs a C63s Coupe had an RS5 (via a Macan Turbo for 9mths). The predominate pull was the V8, and that seemed to the common theme. I know it's a trope but the whole "interior is well made and lovely" thing cannot be it.
Kinda just seems the Focus RS owners' choice, a couple of segments up.
We must have some owners in here. What drew you to it?
RS - Good, not great, cars, but stocking V8 engines. That was my summation of the RS6 and RS7. Too lose that USP from the RS5 loses it's attraction for that customer base.
AshBurrows said:
I don't understand the customer base of Audis S/RS cars.
I know it's a trope but the whole "interior is well made and lovely" thing cannot be it.
Kinda just seems the Focus RS owners' choice, a couple of segments up.
We must have some owners in here. What drew you to it?
B8 S4 owner here. Basically nothing else came close to ticking the boxes at the time.I know it's a trope but the whole "interior is well made and lovely" thing cannot be it.
Kinda just seems the Focus RS owners' choice, a couple of segments up.
We must have some owners in here. What drew you to it?
Circumstances (and common sense!) mean I have just one car. Must be able to do tip runs, school runs, dogs in boot, family trips and occasional business use. So an estate. Living in the wilds, so ability to get out (and home) in all weathers means 4WD is pretty much mandatory.
Given those criteria and a £40Kish budget the S4 was the most entertaining option. (Golf R is too small and too stolen, and I've sworn never to set foot in our local BMW dealership again.)
silentbrown said:
Circumstances (and common sense!) mean I have just one car. Must be able to do tip runs, school runs, dogs in boot, family trips and occasional business use. So an estate. Living in the wilds, so ability to get out (and home) in all weathers means 4WD is pretty much mandatory.
Way too rational for PH !! 
Ares said:
Every car 'with a remap' can compete with the model above. Not a sensible comparison though.
But with an RS car, it really shouldn't. Maybe on the raw power front, but not in the drama and visceral nature of the things.The B8 RS5 had the 4.2 na V8 with DSG box, while the S5 had the 3.0 V6 supercharged.
Now both have 3.0 turbocharged and slushboxes. The engine in an RS car should be the stand-out feature, but it just isn't any more.
silentbrown said:
Ares said:
Every car 'with a remap' can compete with the model above. Not a sensible comparison though.
But with an RS car, it really shouldn't. Maybe on the raw power front, but not in the drama and visceral nature of the things.The B8 RS5 had the 4.2 na V8 with DSG box, while the S5 had the 3.0 V6 supercharged.
Now both have 3.0 turbocharged and slushboxes. The engine in an RS car should be the stand-out feature, but it just isn't any more.
The gearbox in the Quadrifoglio is so good, so quick that it make the extra complexity of a DSG very nearly redundant. The latest AMG ones likewise.
I do agree that the RS stand out feature/USP should be it's engine. This isn't!
silentbrown said:
Circumstances (and common sense!) mean I have just one car.
Au contraire, the logical thing is to have at least 2 cars. One fun weekend car you can cherish and one you don't mind scrotes parking next to in the supermarket.
And if you run a fleet, you always have at least one you can use in case of failure of another!
silentbrown said:
B8 S4 owner here. Basically nothing else came close to ticking the boxes at the time.
Circumstances (and common sense!) mean I have just one car. Must be able to do tip runs, school runs, dogs in boot, family trips and occasional business use. So an estate. Living in the wilds, so ability to get out (and home) in all weathers means 4WD is pretty much mandatory.
Given those criteria and a £40Kish budget the S4 was the most entertaining option. (Golf R is too small and too stolen, and I've sworn never to set foot in our local BMW dealership again.)
Oh yeah that actually makes sense!Circumstances (and common sense!) mean I have just one car. Must be able to do tip runs, school runs, dogs in boot, family trips and occasional business use. So an estate. Living in the wilds, so ability to get out (and home) in all weathers means 4WD is pretty much mandatory.
Given those criteria and a £40Kish budget the S4 was the most entertaining option. (Golf R is too small and too stolen, and I've sworn never to set foot in our local BMW dealership again.)
Ares said:
An M4 is angry, goading and only comes to life when you go at at least 8/10ths. A GT should be a comfortable, swift, mile muncher. The M4 is definitely NOT a GT ;-)
So it's completely different in character than the E92 M3 then? Fair enough. 
That's a shame though, because the E46 and E92 were wonderful mile-munchers without feeling tooooo out of their depth on a twisty road. The new car sounds like my idea of an appalling road car and a 1500kg saloon is hardly the sort of thing you'd buy as a track toy.
Sounds to me as if it's Audi who have got the right idea here. Different strokes...
Edited by kambites on Thursday 6th July 14:06
I suspect that most people who list its flaws would be quite blown away in real life. Remember the reviewers have so much experience of all different cars, stuff that is minor or undetected by most people is just more noticable to reviewers a lot of the time. Unless you have a fair amount of experience of cars of this power level, the acceleration and noise alone will over ride everything else in the review. Most people would love a drive of this car.
I am not saying the review doesn't highlight actual flaws, but in the real world this is a very good car, and most people are not on Pistonheads, may like a fast car, but perhaps are not as nerdy as us lot!
I am not saying the review doesn't highlight actual flaws, but in the real world this is a very good car, and most people are not on Pistonheads, may like a fast car, but perhaps are not as nerdy as us lot!
AshBurrows said:
I don't understand the customer base of Audis S/RS cars.
I know it's a trope but the whole "interior is well made and lovely" thing cannot be it.
Kinda just seems the Focus RS owners' choice, a couple of segments up.
We must have some owners in here. What drew you to it?
I have had a B8 S4 Avant and currently have a B9 S5 Sportback.I know it's a trope but the whole "interior is well made and lovely" thing cannot be it.
Kinda just seems the Focus RS owners' choice, a couple of segments up.
We must have some owners in here. What drew you to it?
The S5 is leased and other than a 335xd there wasn't anything on the market that represented value for money, the C43 was a lot more expensive, Golf Rs and S3s were cheaper but having come from the Golf I wanted a change and felt the price difference was worth it for the nicer car. My "wants" were 4WD, 300hp+, automatic and reasonably practical whilst not being terrible on fuel. I was put off the 335 by the fact it doesn't sound very good compared to the S5, I prefer the Audi interior (a lot), the Audi was a new model and therefore is a bit more up to date from a tech perspective. I also think the Audi is a better looking car and aren't everywhere unlike the 3 series (yet, although I am seeing a lot more new shape A5s around now than when I first got mine). Although not an amazing drive, I certainly enjoy driving it and I like the sound of it. Its not as fun to drive as the Golf but it is far more comfortable on a day to day basis, so I feel its a better car 95% of the time (when I aren't kicking its head in) which to me means its a better car. Although I haven't driven a 335xd they supposedly aren't very awe inspiring either from a handling/steering perspective so I don't think I am missing out on a lot from a driving perspective.
silentbrown said:
Now both have 3.0 turbocharged and slushboxes. The engine in an RS car should be the stand-out feature, but it just isn't any more.
it is a *slightly* different engine though, and if you were to remap them both you'd still have more power out of the RS. 2 turbos vs 1 for a start.H20DJY said:
I suspect that most people who list its flaws would be quite blown away in real life. Remember the reviewers have so much experience of all different cars, stuff that is minor or undetected by most people is just more noticable to reviewers a lot of the time. Unless you have a fair amount of experience of cars of this power level, the acceleration and noise alone will over ride everything else in the review. Most people would love a drive of this car.
I am not saying the review doesn't highlight actual flaws, but in the real world this is a very good car, and most people are not on Pistonheads, may like a fast car, but perhaps are not as nerdy as us lot!
Exactly. And people buy a car to use all the time not just the small amount of time they drive it quickly. Unless everyone on here drives their cars like they are nicked all the time?I am not saying the review doesn't highlight actual flaws, but in the real world this is a very good car, and most people are not on Pistonheads, may like a fast car, but perhaps are not as nerdy as us lot!
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