RE: Peugeot 308 GTI: Driven

RE: Peugeot 308 GTI: Driven

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WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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thiscocks said:
Yes but you still have no idea how an engine feels to drive just by comparing bhp and torque figures.
I think most would take a blind guess that they can't outperform the stats
1.0 2001 volkswagen lupo - 49bhp / 53ft lb
7.0 2006 corvette z06 - 650bhp / 640 lb
an intelligent person would be able to reason that the corvette will feel much more powerful and responsible than the lupo in this example without having to drive them


QuattroDave

1,461 posts

127 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Ray_Aber said:
WCZ said:
yeah, enjoy your £30k pug knowing for the same price you could have bought a 350bhp bmw 1 series !
No you can't. Not if you are comparing like for like. As has been pointed out, you can get a discounted 308GTI for about £24k. The BMW is about £30k, discounted.

The 140i is an attractive option, which sadly is about the only attractive thing about it. Any car that looks like Scooby Doo's head isn't cutting it in the beauty parade for me. As for the manual gearbox, just don't; it's appalling. More rubbery and obstructive than a latex-clad bouncer.
Not wanting to turn this into a 1 series thread but it's incredibly easy to get £7-8k off list for an M140 which would take a £33k car down to £25-26k. I got a few pence shy of £8k off of mine (but then loaded £5k of options on it!).

There's a few cosmetic things that can be done to the 140 to make it more visually appealing. Still no beauty contest winner (or entrant!) but there's seldom few cars that are distinctive these days. One thing I liked about the M135i were the god awful lights, least it stood out from the crowd, same with the paint scheme on these, not sure I like it but at least they stand out! Like advertising, both really bad and really good adverts are equally memorable!

howardhughes

980 posts

203 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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jonosterman said:
Ah pistonheads.... delete as appropriate:

£30k for a <Peugeot 308 | Golf | Focus | Civic>?

<270bhp | 306bhp | 345bhp | 306bhp> or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k


Things cost more than they used to. It's in the same ballpark as all the other high powered hot hatches.

EDIT: and you'll presumably get a reasonably discount on list as you would with most of the others anyway.

Edited by jonosterman on Thursday 6th July 11:03
Which ever way you dress it up It's still a Peugeot.

Pwig

11,956 posts

269 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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If anyone is thinking of a pre-facelift one I have a delivery mileage one in my showroom I'll do a good deal on. PM me.

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SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

233 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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howardhughes said:
jonosterman said:
Ah pistonheads.... delete as appropriate:

£30k for a <Peugeot 308 | Golf | Focus | Civic>?

<270bhp | 306bhp | 345bhp | 306bhp> or not, they are having a laugh.

Wait 2 years and buy a used one for £15k


Things cost more than they used to. It's in the same ballpark as all the other high powered hot hatches.

EDIT: and you'll presumably get a reasonably discount on list as you would with most of the others anyway.

Edited by jonosterman on Thursday 6th July 11:03
Which ever way you dress it up It's still a Peugeot.
I don't see what the issue is with that?

QuattroDave

1,461 posts

127 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Pwig said:
If anyone is thinking of a pre-facelift one I have a delivery mileage one in my showroom I'll do a good deal on. PM me.

</shamelessplug>

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Shamelesspug?


405dogvan

5,326 posts

264 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Anyone looking at the list price of a car these days doesn't know how car purchasing/values work.

Ignore the list price - look at the lease/PCP deals - that's where the truth lies.

VERY few people buy a car like this with cash or straight finance - mainly because it's massively bloody stupid - even dealers are as-much-as saying this with their finance offerings now.

Most cars like this are leased or PCPed because that's more practical and the costs are a MUCH better indicator of cost/value over time.

My betting is that one of these will be NOTABLY cheaper than a similarly specced Golf GTi but I've not looked so I'll wait-and-see if I'm wrong.

Also - not expecting to see many, I think I've seen 2x208 GTis ever!

tonyb1968

1,156 posts

145 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Limpet said:
I'm a big fan of this 1600cc Prince engine. One of my favourites of recent years, to be honest.

We had the same unit in 181 bhp guise in a Mini Cooper S and it was brilliant. It always felt muscular and willing, seemed to love being driven hard, and had a lovely exhaust note that was very pleasantly old school in character. Bags of character, even down the ever so slightly lumpy at idle, and good on fuel when not being thrashed. I thought the B48 that replaced it in the newer Cooper S didn't have anything like the same sense of fun about it.

With another 89 bhp (putting the inevitable reliability / longevity questions aside - are Peugeot still advocating 20,000 mile service intervals on these things?), it must be a bit of a beast.
12k/1 year service intervals on these engines, and unlike the previous prince engines, these are fully forged with polymer coated race bearings (or something like that wink )

tonyb1968

1,156 posts

145 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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confused_buyer said:
A few interweb clicks gives actual prices of:

308 GTI (270): £25800
Golf GTI (245): £26800
BMW M140i (345): £27850

Before any options on all of them.
The pug comes with most thing specced out of the factory compared to the other 2, very little to add (nav etc is standard), paint is extra as is the sunroof and the lane/adaptive cruise control, keyless entry standard.

tonyb1968

1,156 posts

145 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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Mike1990 said:
Love these. A great 2nd hand buy at 15-16k!

Peugeot are back on form tbh. Well since 2013 tbh. Long may it continue.
You wont pick up a 270 at that price, a 250 yes but they have stopped making those now.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

82 months

Thursday 6th July 2017
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howardhughes said:
Which ever way you dress it up It's still a Peugeot.
I guess we'll just ignore the 205 1.6/1.9 GTI, 309 GTI, 405 MI16/T16, 306 GTI/Rallye, 106 GTI/Rallye then? Cause they were still just Peugeots. It's sad that people care more about a badge then how good a car actually is.

Fuzzy69r

159 posts

82 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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The pre facelift 270 was one of the cars on our list as was the Leon cupra 280 but discounted the 308 on several points.

The 308 we were looking at was 16k for a 66 plate through a down south pug dealership so no need for the new car financial suicide , but the big plus for me was the cars look in non coupe franche is it's a very nice looking car and somewhat mean looking from the front .
The boss also agreed on its look and would make a nice family car for her and the wee man fitted easily in the back in his car seat but ..............

That touchscreen infotainment system is very very distracting for adjusting hvac or any settings on the move , with no quick keys on the pre f/l .

I went in with a open mind with that small steering wheel but I just don't get it and think it is just a bit too small and almost lost inside the unique interior , this is my preference so for others not necessarily a bad point .

The big one is for me that engine , as in sport mode you get a set of three digital parameters in the dash showing boost / hp / torque . On full throttle it was showing a peak of 2.6bar of boost !! , that's a lot of boost for not a lot of HP but I know manufacturers run High boost on smaller engines to get to their headline figure .
For me that would be the one big area of cornern regarding reliability of the psa engine, the old one that was in the DS3-R appears to be really poor on this issue after reading countless stories on engine failures and replacement.

I think Peugeot really has begun to get their mojo back , but please for the love of god give up on that silly i-cockpit concept

tonyb1968

1,156 posts

145 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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Ive not seen any 270's for sale at a Peugeot dealer for less than 18k (give or take 100 quid), 250's can be had for 15-16k, my dealer offered me a trade in on my RCZ R for a GTi 250, 15.5k for mine, 18900 for the new (70 miles on the clock) 250. I said no, im keeping the R, its just such a fun car and looks damned good.

Cheapest 270 out there at the moment is 17k on a 16 plate at a Honda dealer, 1 year old, 3 owners.... its either a bargain or a cat C/D, amd even if you take it as a pre reg, thats still 2 owners in a year.
19k gets you an 8k 66 plate, thats pretty good value considering it cost me 16k for a 306 GTi-6 with 9k on the clock back in 1997 redface

SuperBaaaad

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1,816 posts

218 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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Ray_Aber said:
SuperBaaaad said:
I'd still love to know who would buy one over say, an S3, which is a mere £3k more.
2. It handles rather better than the Audi (as a car type; I cannot comment on the hot versions of both)

3. Its interior is just as nice as the Audi - and a lot less infuriating to use (apart from the infotainment; Audi is light years ahead)
It won't handle better than a 4WD S3, sorry, and if you think that the interior is as nice as that of an S3, then you're on another planet.

mikeyr

3,118 posts

192 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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tonyb1968 said:
You wont pick up a 270 at that price, a 250 yes but they have stopped making those now.
Exactly, the 270 is very well specced and also comes with uprated brakes. don't think they do a 250 anymore. I was the one that posted the crazy cheap offer a couple of weeks back, at £20k that was massively undercutting anything of a similiar level of performance/spec.

Can't say I've driven many of the new hot hatches but I was impressed, as were Car
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/compariso...

Limpet

6,293 posts

160 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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aaron_2000 said:
howardhughes said:
Which ever way you dress it up It's still a Peugeot.
I guess we'll just ignore the 205 1.6/1.9 GTI, 309 GTI, 405 MI16/T16, 306 GTI/Rallye, 106 GTI/Rallye then? Cause they were still just Peugeots. It's sad that people care more about a badge then how good a car actually is.
They've struggled a bit since those cars, but I agree. It's hard to imagine any true car enthusiast dismissing a marque that produced some of the best mainstream drivers cars of the 80s and 90s. Any of the above would still be capable of sticking a smile on the face of a keen driver today.

GTEYE

2,092 posts

209 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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Limpet said:
aaron_2000 said:
howardhughes said:
Which ever way you dress it up It's still a Peugeot.
I guess we'll just ignore the 205 1.6/1.9 GTI, 309 GTI, 405 MI16/T16, 306 GTI/Rallye, 106 GTI/Rallye then? Cause they were still just Peugeots. It's sad that people care more about a badge then how good a car actually is.
They've struggled a bit since those cars, but I agree. It's hard to imagine any true car enthusiast dismissing a marque that produced some of the best mainstream drivers cars of the 80s and 90s. Any of the above would still be capable of sticking a smile on the face of a keen driver today.
But the problem is we're talking about past glories of the 80s and 90s. For reasons only to be known inside Peugeot, they produced some absolute bilge in the 00s and early 10s and that will take a long time to be forgotten.

Lets not forget that before the early 80s Peugeot had a major image problem then too, making cars for retired doctors exclusively in brown with tweed seats.

The situation can be saved, but they need to do something to get people wanting a Peugeot again.

A good start might be:

1) Reduce the list prices - don't try and compete with Audi, all is does is increased perceived depreciation and alienate customers post purchase

2) Fix the steering wheel/dash - again it's alienating a lot of customers

3) Find a way into some relevant motorsport - can help to improve the image, worked last time

And that's probably about it, as long as the product is built and supported properly!



Edited by GTEYE on Friday 7th July 11:12

tonyb1968

1,156 posts

145 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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GTEYE said:
But the problem is we're talking about past glories of the 80s and 90s. For reasons only to be known inside Peugeot, they produced some absolute bilge in the 00s and early 10s and that will take a long time to be forgotten.

Lets not forget that before the early 80s Peugeot had a major image problem then too, making cars for retired doctors exclusively in brown with tweed seats.

The situation can be saved, but they need to do something to get people wanting a Peugeot again.

A good start might be:

1) Reduce the list prices - don't try and compete with Audi, all is does is increased perceived depreciation and alienate customers post purchase

2) Fix the steering wheel/dash - again it's alienating a lot of customers

3) Find a way into some relevant motorsport - can help to improve the image, worked last time

And that's probably about it, as long as the product is built and supported properly!



Edited by GTEYE on Friday 7th July 11:12
I can agree with you about the garbage they produced in the 00's, so those models were the 307, 407 and 807 (the 607 wasnt too bad, the 107 was just about ok but the 207 was good, hence you see shed loads of them about).
The real change came with the mk1 308, it wasnt a bad car, it was the basis for the RCZ which really started putting Peugeot back on track, the mk2 308 is much better as is the 208, the new 2008 and 3008 SUV are excellent cars (the i cockpit in the 3008 SUV is fantastic, yes small steering wheel, much easier to use infotanement system, really nice to drive etc.

Now I have owned 14 Pugs, it may seem that I am bias towards the marque but even I stopped buying them in 2000 and didnt get another new one until 2013 (i still bought a couple of 306's in between but no new models), I now have a 3008 SUV and an RCZ R, both are excellent cars &#128513;

As for motorsport, Peugeot still compete, no doubt you missed the Paris - Dakar rally this year and its winner? wink
Then you have the Pike peaks 208 car, you know the one, it set the fastest time and still holds that record.
Le Mans this year may also see the return of Peugeot so they are put there doing sport smile

They have streamline their model range, its still good and PSA are looking to push into new markets, down side is that we wont be seeing a 308 R anytime soon frown

tonyb1968

1,156 posts

145 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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If anyone is interested, you tube Bradley Philpott, want to see how well this 1.6 compares to many a larger capacity unit out there, most of its at the ring wink

Otispunkmeyer

12,557 posts

154 months

Friday 7th July 2017
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Dale487 said:
I'm just happy that Peugeot now make car that I'd consider buying again after a decade in the wilderness.

The 308 GTI is on my shortlist when I eventually replace my Leon along with a Golf GTI & a Leon Cupra.

Yes the BMW has a hell of an engine for the money & is RWD & will impress the neighbours more. But as some people have said the Peugeot with deprecate fast (but not as fast as some think/would like) but as I'll buy nearly new I see it as a good thing. Also I know this is a car enthusiast website but some of us only have one car & a family, so need a Swiss Arm knife car. The boot on the Pug is 480 litres - 100 litres more than a Golf GTI & even more than the R as that loses space to the rear drive shafts - more space for baby rubbish.

Other cars may be better for your needs/wants but we all should be pleased that there's one more great car fighting to be on our shortlist - life would be dull if we were all the same.
I have to say as well, Pug are cropping up in my "what car next" lists.... 308 and 208 seem like well judged entries as they seem able to blend a bit more maturity into the equation over say the Focus and Fiesta ST models. I won't compare them to VAG/BMW offerings because they just do not appeal to me for some reason and never have.