RE: Alfa Romeo vs BMW M vs Mercedes-AMG: PH Video
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urquattroGus said:
It's hard to overstate how good this car is to own.
Regardless of the views of armchair experts!
I just hope that these press cars are not that same early production cars that have ragged by every journalist. Or as an alternative maybe they should be, just to prove a point.
I only had a weekend in one and loved it enough to order one!Regardless of the views of armchair experts!
I just hope that these press cars are not that same early production cars that have ragged by every journalist. Or as an alternative maybe they should be, just to prove a point.
Edited by urquattroGus on Wednesday 12th July 10:52
...and it is a Press car. Good test as to how the reliability is. BMW claim every mile on track abuse is like a 1,000 miles on the road (hence why their Ring Taxis get scrapped with comparatively low milage). These Press QVs have probably had a life not that dissimilar to track use. By the time it gets to 12/15,000 it will likely have had a lifetime equivalent of use/abuse. Brave from Alfa...or confident.
Max_Torque said:
urquattroGus said:
It's hard to overstate how good this car is to own.
tbh, if i'd spent that much money on a car, i'd want it not just to be good to drive but to have got home and made me dinner and run me a bath as well!!!£60k for a 500bhp car isn't bad VFM; a client of mine had just paid £53k for a Diesel 3-series touring!
BVB said:
What a piece of crap review. Why can't PH man up and own up that the Alfa is the best. Professional drivers and journalists worldwide have.
Are PH on a commission from some manufacturers or their UK importers?
Idiot. How could they possibly declare it the best if it didn't stay working long enough to form a comparison?Are PH on a commission from some manufacturers or their UK importers?
An Audi went wrong! Send it back! This won't do etc. It's a 50K car don't you know.
Just for balance:
https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-fleet/audi...
Just for balance:
https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-fleet/audi...
urquattroGus said:
An Audi went wrong! Send it back! This won't do etc. It's a 50K car don't you know.
Just for balance:
https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-fleet/audi...
....and covered with barely a footnote and a gifted excuse on behalf of the paymaster, sorry, Audi.Just for balance:
https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-fleet/audi...
Didn't mention where they also continued to push the S4 to extremes once the light came on either....in the interests of consumer research.
Ares said:
....and covered with barely a footnote and a gifted excuse on behalf of the paymaster, sorry, Audi.
Didn't mention where they also continued to push the S4 to extremes once the light came on either....in the interests of consumer research.
If you read that report through it is litered with caveats about the car and to me reads as "damning with faint praise". I'm fairly certain it's not what would be expected if it was indeed as you infer produced to keep "paymssters" happy.Didn't mention where they also continued to push the S4 to extremes once the light came on either....in the interests of consumer research.
What will it take to nail this "it's not fair, the car journos are in the pocket of German manufacturers" playground nonsese that so widely pervades in certain quarters ?
RSK21 said:
Ares said:
....and covered with barely a footnote and a gifted excuse on behalf of the paymaster, sorry, Audi.
Didn't mention where they also continued to push the S4 to extremes once the light came on either....in the interests of consumer research.
If you read that report through it is litered with caveats about the car and to me reads as "damning with faint praise". I'm fairly certain it's not what would be expected if it was indeed as you infer produced to keep "paymssters" happy.Didn't mention where they also continued to push the S4 to extremes once the light came on either....in the interests of consumer research.
What will it take to nail this "it's not fair, the car journos are in the pocket of German manufacturers" playground nonsese that so widely pervades in certain quarters ?
Motor journalism has always been accused of bias, usually German, usually Porsche/VAG. I remember back in Performance Car days, a journo criticising a 911 and claiming a short shift from them for a period afterwards. There is no such thing as unbiased journalism anywhere
I don't have any real issue with the journalism of any of this stuff, although the video format maybe could have been better.
I'm just trying to add that all can cars go wrong and have software issues, that's all Admittedly perhaps some more than others....
In particular those that say they would never buy an Alfa etc. There are are plenty of German horror stories too.
Granted in some areas there is not an Alfa dealer, and that's not good enough.
Watched my father's C63 go in for the somewhat infamous head bolt issue where it was using coolant for example, at 2-3 years old. We wrote letter's to mercedes uk and they didn't even acknowledge them, and everything was slow and painful to sort out, and there were worries about long term reliability.
A few years before that his E46 M3 was in for the big end fix etc.
I'm just trying to add that all can cars go wrong and have software issues, that's all Admittedly perhaps some more than others....
In particular those that say they would never buy an Alfa etc. There are are plenty of German horror stories too.
Granted in some areas there is not an Alfa dealer, and that's not good enough.
Watched my father's C63 go in for the somewhat infamous head bolt issue where it was using coolant for example, at 2-3 years old. We wrote letter's to mercedes uk and they didn't even acknowledge them, and everything was slow and painful to sort out, and there were worries about long term reliability.
A few years before that his E46 M3 was in for the big end fix etc.
urquattroGus said:
I don't have any real issue with the journalism of any of this stuff, although the video format maybe could have been better.
I'm just trying to add that all can cars go wrong and have software issues, that's all Admittedly perhaps some more than others....
In particular those that say they would never buy an Alfa etc. There are are plenty of German horror stories too.
Granted in some areas there is not an Alfa dealer, and that's not good enough.
Watched my father's C63 go in for the somewhat infamous head bolt issue where it was using coolant for example, at 2-3 years old. We wrote letter's to mercedes uk and they didn't even acknowledge them, and everything was slow and painful to sort out, and there were worries about long term reliability.
A few years before that his E46 M3 was in for the big end fix etc.
Nail hit square on. All cars go wrong, but the bias against non-Germans is there. Take the write-up of the video published a month ago or so, when they noted it was stuck in Normal, "Oh Alfa..." and "the Giulia played up to all the worst stereotypes we might have about flaky electronics in Italian cars."I'm just trying to add that all can cars go wrong and have software issues, that's all Admittedly perhaps some more than others....
In particular those that say they would never buy an Alfa etc. There are are plenty of German horror stories too.
Granted in some areas there is not an Alfa dealer, and that's not good enough.
Watched my father's C63 go in for the somewhat infamous head bolt issue where it was using coolant for example, at 2-3 years old. We wrote letter's to mercedes uk and they didn't even acknowledge them, and everything was slow and painful to sort out, and there were worries about long term reliability.
A few years before that his E46 M3 was in for the big end fix etc.
No such condemnation of the S4 and it's flaky electronics.
Well this seals it...
The Guilia QV is an unreliable heap of st..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayg8Z7VO2Tw
The Guilia QV is an unreliable heap of st..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayg8Z7VO2Tw
The Giulia acquitted itself very well in that one.
However, at one point it does look like the bonnet wasn't latched properly. It's quite easy not to shut it correctly and only latch on one side. As it's a carbon bonnet, pushing down on it doesnt seem to work, needs be dropped from height.
However, at one point it does look like the bonnet wasn't latched properly. It's quite easy not to shut it correctly and only latch on one side. As it's a carbon bonnet, pushing down on it doesnt seem to work, needs be dropped from height.
urquattroGus said:
The Giulia acquitted itself very well in that one.
However, at one point it does look like the bonnet wasn't latched properly. It's quite easy not to shut it correctly and only latch on one side. As it's a carbon bonnet, pushing down on it doesnt seem to work, needs be dropped from height.
Should have made the drag-race to 175mph However, at one point it does look like the bonnet wasn't latched properly. It's quite easy not to shut it correctly and only latch on one side. As it's a carbon bonnet, pushing down on it doesnt seem to work, needs be dropped from height.
Staggering 0-100 time though.
Ares said:
urquattroGus said:
The Giulia acquitted itself very well in that one.
However, at one point it does look like the bonnet wasn't latched properly. It's quite easy not to shut it correctly and only latch on one side. As it's a carbon bonnet, pushing down on it doesnt seem to work, needs be dropped from height.
Should have made the drag-race to 175mph However, at one point it does look like the bonnet wasn't latched properly. It's quite easy not to shut it correctly and only latch on one side. As it's a carbon bonnet, pushing down on it doesnt seem to work, needs be dropped from height.
Staggering 0-100 time though.
frankenstein12 said:
Ares said:
urquattroGus said:
The Giulia acquitted itself very well in that one.
However, at one point it does look like the bonnet wasn't latched properly. It's quite easy not to shut it correctly and only latch on one side. As it's a carbon bonnet, pushing down on it doesnt seem to work, needs be dropped from height.
Should have made the drag-race to 175mph However, at one point it does look like the bonnet wasn't latched properly. It's quite easy not to shut it correctly and only latch on one side. As it's a carbon bonnet, pushing down on it doesnt seem to work, needs be dropped from height.
Staggering 0-100 time though.
MegaCat said:
A very happy QV owner, the car continues to be immense. It's actually good that it stays below the radar : D
My thoughts too. Talking to an owner that had come from an M4. He used to get every hot hatch around trying to race him in the M4, but his QV doesn't attract the same unwanted attention.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff