RE: Alfa Romeo vs BMW M vs Mercedes-AMG: PH Video

RE: Alfa Romeo vs BMW M vs Mercedes-AMG: PH Video

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urquattroGus

1,845 posts

189 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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Yes - You look like much less of a c*ck in an Alfa smile

urquattroGus

1,845 posts

189 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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Another video of the same press car:

https://drivetribe.com/p/watch-alfa-romeo-alfaholi...

smarty156

372 posts

85 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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frankenstein12 said:
Nope. Look you guys are all wrong. I mean did you not see all the yellow and orange warning lights on the dash???? I am Amazed it managed to do even that short run without blowing up... biggrin
Not sure if you were making a serious comment about the warning lights but in case you were (or for someone that doesn't know better) they are the traction control/ESC/Forward Collision Warning etc off warning lights that you get when you switch into Race mode. All electronic assistance is switched off in Race, hence the warnings.

It also, rather nicely, tells you that the best experience in Race is in Manual gearbox mode.

MegaCat

191 posts

139 months

Tuesday 18th July 2017
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urquattroGus said:
Yes - You look like much less of a c*ck in an Alfa smile
Not a chance, i look like a c*ck in any car! But at least the car looks good ; )

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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smarty156 said:
frankenstein12 said:
Nope. Look you guys are all wrong. I mean did you not see all the yellow and orange warning lights on the dash???? I am Amazed it managed to do even that short run without blowing up... biggrin
Not sure if you were making a serious comment about the warning lights but in case you were (or for someone that doesn't know better) they are the traction control/ESC/Forward Collision Warning etc off warning lights that you get when you switch into Race mode. All electronic assistance is switched off in Race, hence the warnings.

It also, rather nicely, tells you that the best experience in Race is in Manual gearbox mode.
The biggrin suggests it was a tongue in cheek post wink

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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urquattroGus said:
Another video of the same press car:

https://drivetribe.com/p/watch-alfa-romeo-alfaholi...
Great video.

Love Henry Catchpole, fantastic journalist on bikes and cars.

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

95 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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Next video track battle is up..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZAKvReRvQ

Just also out of interest did a price comparison between the M3 Competition pack and QV and tried to make sure spec was roughly exactly the same albeit I think I may have added a few things on the alfa the BMW doesnt have such as a carbon steering wheel?

BMW came out at 74.500 and QV came out at 72.200 so pretty closely matched in price.


anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 19th July 2017
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frankenstein12 said:
Next video track battle is up..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZAKvReRvQ
I mean, bl**dy PH, rigging their tests so the clearly much faster Alfa lost. oh, wait a minute......... ;-)

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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frankenstein12 said:
BMW came out at 74.500 and QV came out at 72.200 so pretty closely matched in price.
You must have ticked a lot of boxes there? My QV is coming in nearly £10k less than that, and the M3 I was looking at with similar specs was about a grand more.

urquattroGus

1,845 posts

189 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Mine was retail 65K, cost 59,980

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Max_Torque said:
frankenstein12 said:
Next video track battle is up..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJZAKvReRvQ
I mean, bl**dy PH, rigging their tests so the clearly much faster Alfa lost. oh, wait a minute......... ;-)
Not sure any has mentioned rigging?


Every time these three are tested on track, they are all within a second of each other, all coming out on top at times. Dependant on track/driver/etc. Unsurprising, all three are aimed at each other.

Ali_T

3,379 posts

256 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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urquattroGus said:
Mine was retail 65K, cost 59,980
Similar. £65k and got for just under £59k.

And some points worth mentioning if they haven't been mentioned before. This is a flaw a lot of early press cars had and related to application of the brakes and accelerator at the same time. There was a massive software update applied to most cars in May/June (some are still to be done) that takes 9 hours and resolves a lot of the early niggles. In terms of mechanical reliability, they seem to be pretty darn strong, but there is a LOT of software going on there as well and we seem to be in beta testing for now!

RHD Giulia's also have a fundamental design flaw that's going to make electrical issues even more common. LHD cars drain the water from the passenger wiper spindle scuttle into free space in front of the driver where few wires or connectors are present, just steering gear. Most of the connectors and the two ECUs are towards the right of the bulkhead as a result. Can you see where this is going? Yup. Alfa reversed the scuttle design so the drainage is now on the right, but didn't move the ECU and connectors! This does need addressed and ASAP. In the meantime, the more adventurous of us are making our own drainage improvements until there is a proper fix. One of the Alfa Owner members made this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp9Hz5awM7E




Ali_T

3,379 posts

256 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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frankenstein12 said:
Well this seals it...

The Guilia QV is an unreliable heap of st..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayg8Z7VO2Tw
Note, that's the same Giulia that PH had and slagged off. They are all RJ66K** registrations.

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Ali_T said:
frankenstein12 said:
Well this seals it...

The Guilia QV is an unreliable heap of st..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayg8Z7VO2Tw
Note, that's the same Giulia that PH had and slagged off. They are all RJ66K** registrations.
In PH defence, they didn't slag off the Giulia. They just nit-picked and kept using a flawed example in a non scientific/subjective test.

nickfrog

20,871 posts

216 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Ali_T said:
In the meantime, the more adventurous of us are making our own drainage improvements until there is a proper fix. One of the Alfa Owner members made this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp9Hz5awM7E
I'd be pretty pissed off if I had to re-engineering the drainage myself having paid good money for the car. I hope they recall every car if/when they have an approved fix.

Ali_T

3,379 posts

256 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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nickfrog said:
I'd be pretty pissed off if I had to re-engineering the drainage myself having paid good money for the car. I hope they recall every car if/when they have an approved fix.
It's Alfa. Better to take precaution than wait!

Ali_T

3,379 posts

256 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Ares said:
In PH defence, they didn't slag off the Giulia. They just nit-picked and kept using a flawed example in a non scientific/subjective test.
And kept repeating the same mistake despite knowing it kept causing an error until the car got really pissed at them!

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Ali_T said:
Ares said:
In PH defence, they didn't slag off the Giulia. They just nit-picked and kept using a flawed example in a non scientific/subjective test.
And kept repeating the same mistake despite knowing it kept causing an error until the car got really pissed at them!
Exactly.

If it had been a German problem, would it they have managed a re-run in the 4 months following?

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 20th July 2017
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Ares said:
Exactly.

If it had been a German problem, would it they have managed a re-run in the 4 months following?
Side B of your Conspiracy EP plays exactly like Side A wink

Alfa don't need any help in sabotaging a perfectly good car and Haymarket certainly aren't in the business of creating the scenario to placate ze Germans.

Ares

11,000 posts

119 months

Monday 24th July 2017
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janesmith1950 said:
Ares said:
Exactly.

If it had been a German problem, would it they have managed a re-run in the 4 months following?
Side B of your Conspiracy EP plays exactly like Side A wink

Alfa don't need any help in sabotaging a perfectly good car and Haymarket certainly aren't in the business of creating the scenario to placate ze Germans.
From my experience, and reading of reviews, the Alfa is no worse at early bugs than anything else.

And not sure on the German angle - the treatment of a software glitch on the S4 was treated very differently?