RE: Alfa Romeo vs BMW M vs Mercedes-AMG: PH Video
Discussion
RumbleOfThunder said:
Someone by the name of DeltaEvo accuses the PH editorial team of impartiality 
. The car broke down you 
! What did you expect to happen??
DeltaEvo2 to you. . The car broke down you ! What did you expect to happen?? 
WOW! Name calling now...how very mature. M O N G? Is that what you called me? Read the comments in the thread about why some of us think that the video wasn't up to standards. Oh and grow up, you come through as an angry and arrogant person...BMW driver?
DeltaEvo2 said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Someone by the name of DeltaEvo accuses the PH editorial team of impartiality . The car broke down you ! What did you expect to happen??
DeltaEvo2 to you. . The car broke down you ! What did you expect to happen?? WOW! Name calling now...how very mature. M O N G? Is that what you called me? Read the comments in the thread about why some of us think that the video wasn't up to standards. Oh and grow up, you come through as an angry and arrogant person...BMW driver?
RSK21 said:
Ares said:
Your passion is admirable, but whilst the Alfa ably mixes it with the other two, it's not a proven outright winner (as neither of the others are either). It's possibly the best stab at the Germans since 1945 but they are all equally able, just all have strengths in different areas. Alfa should be commended for jumping in to high with their first offering and bettering the Germans in many areas - they should perhaps also be given a little more slack.
As for Max's "i can actually afford such a car" and "i think the alfa is the best car ever, init" is rather small......", I think he's asserting that only chavs would buy such a car 'innit. Ignorance is bliss, and best ignored
To your latter point I don't think that's what Max is saying. As for Max's "i can actually afford such a car" and "i think the alfa is the best car ever, init" is rather small......", I think he's asserting that only chavs would buy such a car 'innit. Ignorance is bliss, and best ignored
I read it as more of a comment on the general inanity of You Tube commentators and the rabid idiocy of car fanboys asserting their choice of car is "the best". One could have substituted Alfa, for Mercedes or BMW in his quote I suspect. He is probably right that most commentators claiming "xxx is best" can't afford their stated "winner" and likely have neither driven it nor the competition.
The whole " the Germans" thing is incredibly tedious. A good car is a good car irrespective of where it originates. The fact that Alfa have built one which can go head to head with cars of the quality of the M3 and C63 is great news for Alfa and great news for punters in this market.
But if his addition of the "'init" isn't an assertion that it's the chav fraternity, what it is?
And The Germans thing isn't anything other than the acknowledgement that they still dominate this market. The Alfa is the first to genuinely challenge it!
Ares said:
Your passion is admirable, but whilst the Alfa ably mixes it with the other two, it's not a proven outright winner (as neither of the others are either). It's possibly the best stab at the Germans since 1945 but they are all equally able, just all have strengths in different areas. Alfa should be commended for jumping in to high with their first offering and bettering the Germans in many areas - they should perhaps also be given a little more slack.
As for Max's "i can actually afford such a car" and "i think the alfa is the best car ever, init" is rather small......", I think he's asserting that only chavs would buy such a car 'innit. Ignorance is bliss, and best ignored
Thanks Ares. As for Max's "i can actually afford such a car" and "i think the alfa is the best car ever, init" is rather small......", I think he's asserting that only chavs would buy such a car 'innit. Ignorance is bliss, and best ignored
I have read and watched several reviews of the Giulia QV done by many journalists (in Australia, UK, USA and Europe) and they all come to the same conclusion (even the Germans who love Alfa by the way); the Giulia is the better car. It has its flaws but who and what hasn't? They all, more or less, conclude that the Giulia is the one to have out of the three. Alfa Romeo created this car in 2.5 years...from scratch and threw it at BMW and Mercedes who have mastered the art of the sporty four door saloon so credit where credit is due. I can only welcome this. It's exciting.
Regarding Max's comment...thanks for translating it...assumption is the mother of all f
k ups...init? DeltaEvo2 said:
Ares said:
Your passion is admirable, but whilst the Alfa ably mixes it with the other two, it's not a proven outright winner (as neither of the others are either). It's possibly the best stab at the Germans since 1945 but they are all equally able, just all have strengths in different areas. Alfa should be commended for jumping in to high with their first offering and bettering the Germans in many areas - they should perhaps also be given a little more slack.
As for Max's "i can actually afford such a car" and "i think the alfa is the best car ever, init" is rather small......", I think he's asserting that only chavs would buy such a car 'innit. Ignorance is bliss, and best ignored
Thanks Ares. As for Max's "i can actually afford such a car" and "i think the alfa is the best car ever, init" is rather small......", I think he's asserting that only chavs would buy such a car 'innit. Ignorance is bliss, and best ignored
I have read and watched several reviews of the Giulia QV done by many journalists (in Australia, UK, USA and Europe) and they all come to the same conclusion (even the Germans who love Alfa by the way); the Giulia is the better car. It has its flaws but who and what hasn't? They all, more or less, conclude that the Giulia is the one to have out of the three. Alfa Romeo created this car in 2.5 years...from scratch and threw it at BMW and Mercedes who have mastered the art of the sporty four door saloon so credit where credit is due. I can only welcome this. It's exciting.
Regarding Max's comment...thanks for translating it...assumption is the mother of all f
k ups...init? I drove all three and preferred the Alfa, and by a long way, but I can easily see why someone would prefer the C63s. The M3 was a distant third for me, and thats coming on the back of owning BMWs almost solidly for 20yrs!
diehardbenzfan said:
There is a huge difference between the 3/4 m sport to the M variants, wider kits, different grilles, smoked lights (facelift models) and the aggressive front bumpers, the Alfa and merc more or less look the same, also, M cars have different colours to the non M cars, you won't find an estoril blue or carbon black m4 but you will find diesel Giulia's in that same maroon red as the QV's
Incorrect. There are 2 exclusive QV colourations, Comp red (the maroon) and trofeo white. Both are unavailable on any other model bar the QV. the only other red is Alfa Red which is a different look entirely so you are a bit confused there. Also the QV has exclusive alloys and body shapings. So in other words quite a bit different from 'ordinary' modelstheplayingmantis said:
diehardbenzfan said:
There is a huge difference between the 3/4 m sport to the M variants, wider kits, different grilles, smoked lights (facelift models) and the aggressive front bumpers, the Alfa and merc more or less look the same, also, M cars have different colours to the non M cars, you won't find an estoril blue or carbon black m4 but you will find diesel Giulia's in that same maroon red as the QV's
Incorrect. There are 2 exclusive QV colourations, Comp red (the maroon) and trofeo white. Both are unavailable on any other model bar the QV. the only other red is Alfa Red which is a different look entirely so you are a bit confused there. Also the QV has exclusive alloys and body shapings. So in other words quite a bit different from 'ordinary' modelsRumbleOfThunder said:
Calm your passion duck. I'm merely ridiculing your crybaby antics while I should be working. I drive a Ford.
Crybaby? I thought raising a concern about a badly done review was still allowed or do we just accept what we are fed? 
OK then, BMW, Mercs are the bee's knees. Forget I even raised the matter.
Thanks for changing from M O N G to duck, I prefer to be compared to the aquatic bird.
DeltaEvo2 said:
Crybaby? I thought raising a concern about a badly done review was still allowed or do we just accept what we are fed?
OK then, BMW, Mercs are the bee's knees. Forget I even raised the matter.
Thanks for changing from M O N G to duck, I prefer to be compared to the aquatic bird.
pipe down papaOK then, BMW, Mercs are the bee's knees. Forget I even raised the matter.
Thanks for changing from M O N G to duck, I prefer to be compared to the aquatic bird.
theplayingmantis said:
Incorrect. There are 2 exclusive QV colourations, Comp red (the maroon) and trofeo white. Both are unavailable on any other model bar the QV. the only other red is Alfa Red which is a different look entirely so you are a bit confused there. Also the QV has exclusive alloys and body shapings. So in other words quite a bit different from 'ordinary' models
Maybe I'm not used to the sight of the Giulia like I am of the 3/4 or the C class so they all look the same to me and having a 4 series myself, I can instantly tell the difference between mine and an M4, still though, in that maroon red, from a certain angle, it really is hard to tell the difference between a standard one and a QV, more than an a standard 4. diehardbenzfan said:
theplayingmantis said:
Incorrect. There are 2 exclusive QV colourations, Comp red (the maroon) and trofeo white. Both are unavailable on any other model bar the QV. the only other red is Alfa Red which is a different look entirely so you are a bit confused there. Also the QV has exclusive alloys and body shapings. So in other words quite a bit different from 'ordinary' models
Maybe I'm not used to the sight of the Giulia like I am of the 3/4 or the C class so they all look the same to me and having a 4 series myself, I can instantly tell the difference between mine and an M4, still though, in that maroon red, from a certain angle, it really is hard to tell the difference between a standard one and a QV, more than an a standard 4. Christ, my 640d has the Schnitzer suspension which make it c10mm lower. I notice how high normal 640's are riding in comparison, but non-owners wouldn't notice.
diehardbenzfan said:
Maybe I'm not used to the sight of the Giulia like I am of the 3/4 or the C class so they all look the same to me and having a 4 series myself, I can instantly tell the difference between mine and an M4, still though, in that maroon red, from a certain angle, it really is hard to tell the difference between a standard one and a QV, more than an a standard 4.
i find it hard to tell the difference between a F32 with an F30...oh wait!I love them all, but I couldn't commit to this kind of car if it displayed reliability issues, it would simply ruin my ownership experience - not least because my nearest Alfa dealer is a traffic filled trek away.
I expect in 18 months they will have ironed out problems such as these......oh ok, maybe not, but good on Alfa anyway, what a dismally boring place the world would be if the Germans built all that is desireable and quick
I expect in 18 months they will have ironed out problems such as these......oh ok, maybe not, but good on Alfa anyway, what a dismally boring place the world would be if the Germans built all that is desireable and quick
Tin Hat said:
I love them all, but I couldn't commit to this kind of car if it displayed reliability issues, it would simply ruin my ownership experience - not least because my nearest Alfa dealer is a traffic filled trek away.
I expect in 18 months they will have ironed out problems such as these......oh ok, maybe not, but good on Alfa anyway, what a dismally boring place the world would be if the Germans built all that is desireable and quick
As long as they are only software issues, they are easily rectified (and this one has been already). I've had software issues with my previous two BMWs, one was fixed remotely, the other a 30min fast-track fix. Back in the old days, my old Merc was off the road for 3 weeks with a manifold issue - THAT is when it becomes a PIA!I expect in 18 months they will have ironed out problems such as these......oh ok, maybe not, but good on Alfa anyway, what a dismally boring place the world would be if the Germans built all that is desireable and quick
Ares said:
Autocar have just taken on a QV as a long termer. Interesting to see how it runs over a longer time scale and ownership Vs ragging round a race track.
Initial comment was "First impressions are that the reviews have understated how terrific this thing is to drive".
In fairness no review I have read, including this one under discussion, has ever criticised how engaging and fun the Alfa is. You'd need to be bereft of emotion not to enjoy it in my view.Initial comment was "First impressions are that the reviews have understated how terrific this thing is to drive".
It's hard to overstate how good this car is to own.
Regardless of the views of armchair experts!
I just hope that these press cars are not that same early production cars that have ragged by every journalist. Or as an alternative maybe they should be, just to prove a point.
Regardless of the views of armchair experts!
I just hope that these press cars are not that same early production cars that have ragged by every journalist. Or as an alternative maybe they should be, just to prove a point.
Edited by urquattroGus on Wednesday 12th July 10:52
Ares said:
Autocar have just taken on a QV as a long termer. Interesting to see how it runs over a longer time scale and ownership Vs ragging round a race track.
Initial comment was "First impressions are that the reviews have understated how terrific this thing is to drive".
It's the same press car they road tested a few months back - 7000 miles done now since they had it, doubt any keepers were that gentle so it'll be a good test to see how it stands upInitial comment was "First impressions are that the reviews have understated how terrific this thing is to drive".
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