Van driver narrowly avoids cyclist

[M-SportMatt]

Byker28i said:

Equally on that point, the cyclist took the decision to pull out in front of a van assuming it was going straight on rather than turning off.
I mean, cyclists aren't know for their patience

So based on that unintelligent moves, doesn't appear to be a forward thinking cyclist to me, even if he thinks he's fully in the right, protected by cyclecams, perhaps not very much going in between the ears, full stop, rule off

Realistically it was said days ago, Cyclist pulled and into filter lane, van driver didn't anticipate the cyclist staying out so far, or not moving off so quickly and took avoiding action. Van driver takes the majority of the blame for the close pass, but the cyclist has to take a small proportion as well. Thats probably why the coppers weren't interested.

As said days ago, only the self righteous cyclists wont have it, because it doesn't fit their perceptions that everyone is out to get them

Nope

As I posted in the extra footage that was linked, the cyclist started to move at 1 second as the van just comes into sight. He could not have given the van any more space.

[TheRainMaker]

M-SportMatt said:

TheRainMaker said:

The cyclist started moving as the van was barely in sight (M-SportMatt), in fact, the van was 50 meters away when he crossed the white lines.

Edited by TheRainMaker on Friday 21st July 11:02

The video link I posted shows the van coming into sight as the cyclist starts to move, pause at 1 second and see, its there in full colour.

I dispute the 50m away 100%

The van was not made to change course at all by the cyclist, the cyclist was only in front of the van once the van had pulled from the main carriageway into the slip, there was adequate room to pull in either behind the bike or in front of it whether the van was speeding, doing 50 mph or doing 30 mph.

End of

OK, you show us your workings out then, with pictures and a map with distances, just like I have done, or are you just going to make it up like your 50 - 70 MPH speed estimate?

PS the cyclist never stops moving at any point in the video, I based everything on when he crossed the white line (which is the important bit).

[M-SportMatt]

Byker28i said:

Possible a subject for a separate thread, but is it time to ban cyclists from major roads?

There's usually a MAMIL (Middle-aged Man In Lycra) holding up traffic on A roads these days, especially when the Tour de France is on.
Even when you get past, they catch up at traffic lights, ride the pavement to get to the front of the queue and hold everyone up again.

You can usually find them riding in the middle of the road, because it's safest (not in the gutter - I get that) and then gesturing when you overtake because you hadn't given them the space they deemed appropriate, despite the fact you've passed as far as possible on the other side of the road.

Heaven help you if you come across a calamity, sorry peleton, of weekend riders, two or three abreast. "We've got every right to be here, we've got cameras you know" as they ride blocking NSL roads at 10-15mph.

So an easier life for everyone. Cyclists can't ride on major roads unless there's a bike lane, thus avoiding the major cause of friction. Less interaction at speed means less accidents, less reasons for cyclists/motorists to complain. With the major roads freed up, drivers will be more tolerant when coming across riders on minor roads.

Sorted.

Right, now about antisocial Horse Riders

And that totally balanced view is why your opinion just isn't worth listening to

[saaby93]

Integroo said:

Byker28i said:

Possible a subject for a separate thread, but is it time to ban cyclists from major roads?

There's usually a MAMIL (Middle-aged Man In Lycra) holding up traffic on A roads these days, especially when the Tour de France is on.
Even when you get past, they catch up at traffic lights, ride the pavement to get to the front of the queue and hold everyone up again.

You can usually find them riding in the middle of the road, because it's safest (not in the gutter - I get that) and then gesturing when you overtake because you hadn't given them the space they deemed appropriate, despite the fact you've passed as far as possible on the other side of the road.

Heaven help you if you come across a calamity, sorry peleton, of weekend riders, two or three abreast. "We've got every right to be here, we've got cameras you know" as they ride blocking NSL roads at 10-15mph.

So an easier life for everyone. Cyclists can't ride on major roads unless there's a bike lane, thus avoiding the major cause of friction. Less interaction at speed means less accidents, less reasons for cyclists/motorists to complain. With the major roads freed up, drivers will be more tolerant when coming across riders on minor roads.

Sorted.

Right, now about antisocial Horse Riders

We could just ban knob heads like you from the road, would make life better for everyone.

Why not just ban everything - the roads would work just fine then

Actually for the most part they do work fine
Maybe this 'incident' would not even have occurred if it wasnt for a pair of dashcams

[Byker28i]

Integroo said:

We could just ban knob heads like you from the road, would make life better for everyone.

Well, that's a grown up and valid argument from you. Schools finished today for the summer hasn't it

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Riding in the gutter is far riskier...

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

And how much training have you had? People say "bloody cyclists should have training" well guess what, some of us have and when we point out that gutter hugging is riskier the uneducated still disagree

PS, that concrete thing on the right, that's called a gutter...

Some of us have had training, but also have the added benefit of intelligence which tells us when and when not to do exactly as we have been trained. You're not in that 'some of us' btw! HTH!

And yet you don't know what a gutter is

Where did I say that? I think you would seriously benefit from some counselling for whatever complex it is that makes you convert hypothesis to fact in your head.

[WinstonWolf]

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Riding in the gutter is far riskier...

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

And how much training have you had? People say "bloody cyclists should have training" well guess what, some of us have and when we point out that gutter hugging is riskier the uneducated still disagree

PS, that concrete thing on the right, that's called a gutter...

Some of us have had training, but also have the added benefit of intelligence which tells us when and when not to do exactly as we have been trained. You're not in that 'some of us' btw! HTH!

And yet you don't know what a gutter is

Where did I say that? I think you would seriously benefit from some counselling for whatever complex it is that makes you convert hypothesis to fact in your head.

cb1965 said:

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

It's already been pointed out to you once but it's worth repeating. That concrete bit to the right, it's called a 'gutter'.

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Riding in the gutter is far riskier...

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

And how much training have you had? People say "bloody cyclists should have training" well guess what, some of us have and when we point out that gutter hugging is riskier the uneducated still disagree

PS, that concrete thing on the right, that's called a gutter...

Some of us have had training, but also have the added benefit of intelligence which tells us when and when not to do exactly as we have been trained. You're not in that 'some of us' btw! HTH!

And yet you don't know what a gutter is

Where did I say that? I think you would seriously benefit from some counselling for whatever complex it is that makes you convert hypothesis to fact in your head.

cb1965 said:

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

It's already been pointed out to you once but it's worth repeating. That concrete bit to the right, it's called a 'gutter'.

Oh FFS! No, a gutter has to have a depression by definition (to channel water), that is just the edge of the road. You call it a gutter, but it is not a gutter, it's the edge of the road and the cyclist would have been far better off much closer to it!

[Randy Winkman]

Sorry to join in late. Van driver wasn't observing properly and assumed nothing was "in the way" when he changed lanes cos he didn't see anything big. Sun in his eyes didn't help. Cyclist was already in the lane way before van driver needed to make the switch. If van driver was paying attention there was loads of room for him to get in the lane and make the turn as well.

[WinstonWolf]

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Riding in the gutter is far riskier...

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

And how much training have you had? People say "bloody cyclists should have training" well guess what, some of us have and when we point out that gutter hugging is riskier the uneducated still disagree

PS, that concrete thing on the right, that's called a gutter...

Some of us have had training, but also have the added benefit of intelligence which tells us when and when not to do exactly as we have been trained. You're not in that 'some of us' btw! HTH!

And yet you don't know what a gutter is

Where did I say that? I think you would seriously benefit from some counselling for whatever complex it is that makes you convert hypothesis to fact in your head.

cb1965 said:

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

It's already been pointed out to you once but it's worth repeating. That concrete bit to the right, it's called a 'gutter'.

Oh FFS! No, a gutter has to have a depression by definition (to channel water), that is just the edge of the road. You call it a gutter, but it is not a gutter, it's the edge of the road and the cyclist would have been far better off much closer to it!

Look more closely

[Terzo123]

Randy Winkman said:

Sorry to join in late. Van driver wasn't observing properly and assumed nothing was "in the way" when he changed lanes cos he didn't see anything big. Sun in his eyes didn't help. Cyclist was already in the lane way before van driver needed to make the switch. If van driver was paying attention there was loads of room for him to get in the lane and make the turn as well.

This all day long.

Van driver not paying attention/distracted. Goes to pull into filter lane, notices bike very late and swerves around. No body is hurt. Bikers feelings are upset as the nasty police won't do anything. The world keeps spinning. The end.

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Riding in the gutter is far riskier...

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

And how much training have you had? People say "bloody cyclists should have training" well guess what, some of us have and when we point out that gutter hugging is riskier the uneducated still disagree

PS, that concrete thing on the right, that's called a gutter...

Some of us have had training, but also have the added benefit of intelligence which tells us when and when not to do exactly as we have been trained. You're not in that 'some of us' btw! HTH!

And yet you don't know what a gutter is

Where did I say that? I think you would seriously benefit from some counselling for whatever complex it is that makes you convert hypothesis to fact in your head.

cb1965 said:

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

It's already been pointed out to you once but it's worth repeating. That concrete bit to the right, it's called a 'gutter'.

Oh FFS! No, a gutter has to have a depression by definition (to channel water), that is just the edge of the road. You call it a gutter, but it is not a gutter, it's the edge of the road and the cyclist would have been far better off much closer to it!

Look more closely

At what? The edge of the road where there is no gutter? Will that make one appear? There aren't even any drains for this gutter of yours....

[WinstonWolf]

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

cb1965 said:

WinstonWolf said:

Riding in the gutter is far riskier...

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

And how much training have you had? People say "bloody cyclists should have training" well guess what, some of us have and when we point out that gutter hugging is riskier the uneducated still disagree

PS, that concrete thing on the right, that's called a gutter...

Some of us have had training, but also have the added benefit of intelligence which tells us when and when not to do exactly as we have been trained. You're not in that 'some of us' btw! HTH!

And yet you don't know what a gutter is

Where did I say that? I think you would seriously benefit from some counselling for whatever complex it is that makes you convert hypothesis to fact in your head.

cb1965 said:

There was no gutter and if he had been to the right there was acres of space for the van. It's not rocket science!

It's already been pointed out to you once but it's worth repeating. That concrete bit to the right, it's called a 'gutter'.

Oh FFS! No, a gutter has to have a depression by definition (to channel water), that is just the edge of the road. You call it a gutter, but it is not a gutter, it's the edge of the road and the cyclist would have been far better off much closer to it!

Look more closely

At what? The edge of the road where there is no gutter? Will that make one appear? There aren't even any drains for this gutter of yours....

Look again... Closely.

[Integroo]

Terzo123 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Sorry to join in late. Van driver wasn't observing properly and assumed nothing was "in the way" when he changed lanes cos he didn't see anything big. Sun in his eyes didn't help. Cyclist was already in the lane way before van driver needed to make the switch. If van driver was paying attention there was loads of room for him to get in the lane and make the turn as well.

This all day long.

Van driver not paying attention/distracted. Goes to pull into filter lane, notices bike very late and swerves around. No body is hurt. Bikers feelings are upset as the nasty police won't do anything. The world keeps spinning. The end.

The point is when we take this attitude behaviours don't change and cyclists are killed.

In the last week:

91 year old cyclist killed on dual carriageway: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

Police name Hull cyclist killed in collision with truck: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/police-name-hu...

Hundreds ride to funeral of cyclist killed in NI: http://road.cc/content/news/226104-video-hundreds-...

[Byker28i]

cb1965 said:

Oh FFS! No, a gutter has to have a depression by definition (to channel water), that is just the edge of the road. You call it a gutter, but it is not a gutter, it's the edge of the road and the cyclist would have been far better off much closer to it!

Closer as in nearer to the right, rather than on the left side of the lane. You don't want to get into the nearest 12-18 inches as this is where all the loose grit gets

But you're wasting your time, the cyclist can do no wrong

[Integroo]

Byker28i said:

cb1965 said:

Oh FFS! No, a gutter has to have a depression by definition (to channel water), that is just the edge of the road. You call it a gutter, but it is not a gutter, it's the edge of the road and the cyclist would have been far better off much closer to it!

Closer as in nearer to the right, rather than on the left side of the lane. You don't want to get into the nearest 12-18 inches as this is where all the loose grit gets

But you're wasting your time, the cyclist can do no wrong

Not at all, cyclists can and do do wrong. Just this chap didn't.

[Terzo123]

Integroo said:

Terzo123 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Sorry to join in late. Van driver wasn't observing properly and assumed nothing was "in the way" when he changed lanes cos he didn't see anything big. Sun in his eyes didn't help. Cyclist was already in the lane way before van driver needed to make the switch. If van driver was paying attention there was loads of room for him to get in the lane and make the turn as well.

This all day long.

Van driver not paying attention/distracted. Goes to pull into filter lane, notices bike very late and swerves around. No body is hurt. Bikers feelings are upset as the nasty police won't do anything. The world keeps spinning. The end.

The point is when we take this attitude behaviours don't change and cyclists are killed.

In the last week:

91 year old cyclist killed on dual carriageway: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

Police name Hull cyclist killed in collision with truck: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/police-name-hu...

Hundreds ride to funeral of cyclist killed in NI: http://road.cc/content/news/226104-video-hundreds-...

You appear to be looking at this from a very blinkered position. Maybe attitudes do need to change. But looking closer to home might be a good start. If you get your own house in order then maybe you can carry the moral high ground over other road users.

As for the OP's link. As I said above it was the van not paying attention/ getting distracted. When humans are involved this is always a risk. No amount of education or training will prevent even if you are a cyclist or motorist.

[anonymous-user]

Byker28i said:

Closer as in nearer to the right, rather than on the left side of the lane. You don't want to get into the nearest 12-18 inches as this is where all the loose grit gets

But you're wasting your time, the cyclist can do no wrong

To be fair he didn't really do anything 'wrong', just in the interests of self preservation in this sort of instance I would have been further to the right, but not in the non-existent gutter either

[essayer]

Integroo said:

91 year old cyclist killed on dual carriageway: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

I suspect he was trying to set a time on this http://www.timetrialcourses.co.uk/course/f11_10

The A41 is a dual carriageway A-road with grade separated junctions, at one point part of it was actually a motorway. I'm amazed anyone would want to cycle along it - and yet time trials are run on it quite regularly.

[shouldbworking]

cb1965 said:

Byker28i said:

Closer as in nearer to the right, rather than on the left side of the lane. You don't want to get into the nearest 12-18 inches as this is where all the loose grit gets

But you're wasting your time, the cyclist can do no wrong

To be fair he didn't really do anything 'wrong', just in the interests of self preservation in this sort of instance I would have been further to the right, but not in the non-existent gutter either

Riding further over to the right there has exactly the same problems as riding far over to the left - you're in the rubbish that gets flicked to the side of the road, it looks more like a sufficient gap for car drivers to try and squeeze through, and most importantly you aren't where drivers will be looking for you.