Van driver narrowly avoids cyclist

[saaby93]

Integroo said:

Terzo123 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Sorry to join in late. Van driver wasn't observing properly and assumed nothing was "in the way" when he changed lanes cos he didn't see anything big. Sun in his eyes didn't help. Cyclist was already in the lane way before van driver needed to make the switch. If van driver was paying attention there was loads of room for him to get in the lane and make the turn as well.

This all day long.

Van driver not paying attention/distracted. Goes to pull into filter lane, notices bike very late and swerves around. No body is hurt. Bikers feelings are upset as the nasty police won't do anything. The world keeps spinning. The end.

The point is when we take this attitude behaviours don't change and cyclists are killed.

In the last week:

91 year old cyclist killed on dual carriageway: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

Police name Hull cyclist killed in collision with truck: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/police-name-hu...

Hundreds ride to funeral of cyclist killed in NI: http://road.cc/content/news/226104-video-hundreds-...

Here we go - just for you and your posting style
Strawman
Have a look what youve linked and compare it to this thread
Any other link youd like to post up and say here's some apples to go with your pears?
No maybe not - post them in another thread. I opened one for the last already

[anonymous-user]

shouldbworking said:

cb1965 said:

Byker28i said:

Closer as in nearer to the right, rather than on the left side of the lane. You don't want to get into the nearest 12-18 inches as this is where all the loose grit gets

But you're wasting your time, the cyclist can do no wrong

To be fair he didn't really do anything 'wrong', just in the interests of self preservation in this sort of instance I would have been further to the right, but not in the non-existent gutter either

Riding further over to the right there has exactly the same problems as riding far over to the left - you're in the rubbish that gets flicked to the side of the road, it looks more like a sufficient gap for car drivers to try and squeeze through, and most importantly you aren't where drivers will be looking for you.

In this instance that is where I would have been and yes I do cycle, albeit not as much as I used to, and I have never had an incident where I felt compelled to wave my arms about. Sorry, but I can't but help that think that half the excuses for not being over to the right in this instance are born more from a sense of entitlement than common sense.

[Integroo]

saaby93 said:

Integroo said:

Terzo123 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Sorry to join in late. Van driver wasn't observing properly and assumed nothing was "in the way" when he changed lanes cos he didn't see anything big. Sun in his eyes didn't help. Cyclist was already in the lane way before van driver needed to make the switch. If van driver was paying attention there was loads of room for him to get in the lane and make the turn as well.

This all day long.

Van driver not paying attention/distracted. Goes to pull into filter lane, notices bike very late and swerves around. No body is hurt. Bikers feelings are upset as the nasty police won't do anything. The world keeps spinning. The end.

The point is when we take this attitude behaviours don't change and cyclists are killed.

In the last week:

91 year old cyclist killed on dual carriageway: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

Police name Hull cyclist killed in collision with truck: http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/police-name-hu...

Hundreds ride to funeral of cyclist killed in NI: http://road.cc/content/news/226104-video-hundreds-...

Here we go - just for you and your posting style
Strawman
Have a look what youve linked and compare it to this thread
Any other link youd like to post up and say here's some apples to go with your pears?
No maybe not - post them in another thread. I opened one for the last already

Cyclists being killed by inattentive drivers (well, the last two are being investigated, but the first certainly appears to be the driver who is at fault).

Exactly what this thread is about.

[saaby93]

Integroo said:

Cyclists being killed by inattentive drivers (well, the last two are being investigated, but the first certainly appears to be the driver who is at fault).

Exactly what this thread is about.

talk about jumping the gun and playing another strawman card and how can you say the first one is the driver?
Didnt the article say no-one has been arrested.

Here's the thread about the collision on the NI club run
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
if you'd like to post something useful in it.

[M-SportMatt]

cb1965 said:

Sorry, but I can't but help that think that half the excuses for not being over to the right in this instance are born more from a sense of entitlement than common sense.

Utter twaddle.

Although you are right to apologise for the thought.

Staying to the right in that slip road just makes it harder when you get to the other end.....in a queue of traffic none of them will want to let a cyclist switch from right to left and the cyclist gets stranded on the wrong side of the traffic and gets in the way at the other end.

Secondly, to pass safely it doesn't matter what position in the lane the cyclist takes, the van would have to stay almost entirely in the next lane to pass safely anyway so that argument about the position in the slip is completely irrelevant.

I ride through a junction very similar to this about 4 times a week in varying traffic conditions from clogged up and crawling to less busy with fast moving traffic and I would not ever stay to the right in the slip as I would, and have seen others squeezed and trapped on the wrong side of the queue.

[anonymous-user]

M-SportMatt said:

cb1965 said:

Sorry, but I can't but help that think that half the excuses for not being over to the right in this instance are born more from a sense of entitlement than common sense.

Utter twaddle.

Although you are right to apologise for the thought.

Staying to the right in that slip road just makes it harder when you get to the other end.....in a queue of traffic none of them will want to let a cyclist switch from right to left and the cyclist gets stranded on the wrong side of the traffic and gets in the way at the other end.

Secondly, to pass safely it doesn't matter what position in the lane the cyclist takes, the van would have to stay almost entirely in the next lane to pass safely anyway so that argument about the position in the slip is completely irrelevant.

I ride through a junction very similar to this about 4 times a week in varying traffic conditions from clogged up and crawling to less busy with fast moving traffic and I would not ever stay to the right in the slip as I would, and have seen others squeezed and trapped on the wrong side of the queue.

Zzzzzzzzz, really sick of all the lecturing crap getting posted. You cannot argue with the fact that had be been further to the right the van would have been further away. It's bloody obvious to me and several others who ride and who have posted likewise.

[M-SportMatt]

cb1965 said:

Zzzzzzzzz, really sick of all the lecturing crap getting posted. You cannot argue with the fact that had be been further to the right the van would have been further away. It's bloody obvious to me and several others who ride and who have posted likewise.

Its bloody obvious to me the van driver was being an antagonistic prat looking to intimidate the cyclist. There was ample room behind and in front to not get anywhere near that close. Im sick of all the lecturing crap getting posted by those unable to have a rounded view also. It's bloody obvious to me and several others who have posted likewise.

And to those of us with eyes

Really its obvious you live in London and are pissed off with cyclists ( rightly so as they behave terribly from what I have seen driving in London ) which leads you to post utter drivel like this

cb1965 said:

drivers who ride and think they're invincible and the world owes them a living

I'm not sure in what way our friend in the original clip is demonstrating he thinks the world owes him a living but this isnt London and the cyclist hasnt made a bad decision.

I'm amazed you could ever balance on a bike with such a huge chip on your shoulder

Edited by M-SportMatt on Friday 21st July 16:45

[saaby93]

M-SportMatt said:

Its bloody obvious to me the van driver was being an antagonistic prat looking to intimidate the cyclist.

and you ( or someone else ) could say the same about the cyclist re the van
and it may have neither's intention at all

Ease up a bit and try to see it's not all about confrontation

Edited by saaby93 on Friday 21st July 16:46

[M-SportMatt]

saaby93 said:

nd you ( or someone else ) could say the same about the cyclist re the van

Apart from the fact the cyclist left enough room in front and behind to not inconvenience the van at all then yes your statement is true

[saaby93]

M-SportMatt said:

Apart from the fact the cyclist left enough room in front and behind to not inconvenience the van at all then yes your statement is true

and presumably the van left enough room not to inconvenience the bike
Is it helpful to take polar points of view, why not try to put yourself in either shoes to try understand what happened

[M-SportMatt]

saaby93 said:

and presumably the van left enough room not to inconvenience the bike
Is it helpful to take polar points of view, why not try to put yourself in either shoes to try understand what happened

I have

I even posted referred to additional videos and had to point out to various people the actual road layout that they didn't understand.

The Van did not need to and was not in any way forced to pass the cyclist so close. It was close, look at the white lines, unless the lanes are 20ft wide then it was a close pass.

Someone as high profile as Chris Boardman is not going to throw is weight/reputation behind something trivial that isnt clear cut.....

[anonymous-user]

M-SportMatt said:

cb1965 said:

Zzzzzzzzz, really sick of all the lecturing crap getting posted. You cannot argue with the fact that had be been further to the right the van would have been further away. It's bloody obvious to me and several others who ride and who have posted likewise.

Its bloody obvious to me the van driver was being an antagonistic prat looking to intimidate the cyclist. There was ample room behind and in front to not get anywhere near that close. Im sick of all the lecturing crap getting posted by those unable to have a rounded view also. It's bloody obvious to me and several others who have posted likewise.

And to those of us with eyes

Really its obvious you live in London and are pissed off with cyclists ( rightly so as they behave terribly from what I have seen driving in London ) which leads you to post utter drivel like this

cb1965 said:

drivers who ride and think they're invincible and the world owes them a living

I'm not sure in what way our friend in the original clip is demonstrating he thinks the world owes him a living but this isnt London and the cyclist hasnt made a bad decision.

I'm amazed you could ever balance on a bike with such a huge chip on your shoulder

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 21st July 16:45

Fact vs conjecture, not much competition really and as for having a chip on my shoulder.... oh the irony. You're laughable frankly

[DoubleD]

M-SportMatt said:

Someone as high profile as Chris Boardman is not going to throw is weight/reputation behind something trivial that isnt clear cut.....

Hes given his opinion like we all have. If it was clear cut then this thread would be an awful lot shorter.

[M-SportMatt]

cb1965 said:

Fact vs conjecture, not much competition really and as for having a chip on my shoulder.... oh the irony. You're laughable frankly

Yeah I see your facts

cb1965 said:

rivers who ride and think they're invincible and the world owes them a living

Laughable isnt the word.....

[WinstonWolf]

M-SportMatt said:

cb1965 said:

Fact vs conjecture, not much competition really and as for having a chip on my shoulder.... oh the irony. You're laughable frankly

Yeah I see your facts

cb1965 said:

rivers who ride and think they're invincible and the world owes them a living

Laughable isnt the word.....

He's got an X5 you know, so he can own the traffic jam...

[saaby93]

for goodness take can the bickerers stop taking a pop at each other and get a room for a love in

[WinstonWolf]

saaby93 said:

for goodness take can the bickerers stop taking a pop at each other and get a room for a love in

Don't start contentious threads then

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

M-SportMatt said:

cb1965 said:

Fact vs conjecture, not much competition really and as for having a chip on my shoulder.... oh the irony. You're laughable frankly

Yeah I see your facts

cb1965 said:

rivers who ride and think they're invincible and the world owes them a living

Laughable isnt the word.....

He's got an X5 you know, so he can own the traffic jam...

You don't do humour or sarcasm do you? I think we all know why!

[anonymous-user]

WinstonWolf said:

saaby93 said:

for goodness take can the bickerers stop taking a pop at each other and get a room for a love in

Don't start contentious threads then

But winding up the sanctimonious self righteous self absorbed blinkered pro cycling ****s like you is so much fun!

[TheRainMaker]

M-SportMatt said:

Its bloody obvious to me the van driver was being an antagonistic prat looking to intimidate the cyclist.

You are just making stuff up....

You cannot tell at all what the van drivers intentions were, there is no communication between them apart from when the cyclist rises his hand.

How are you getting on with working out the distances and speeds?