Looking at buying a diesel now?
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I popped into my local VW dealer last week to sort out ordering a new Passat Estate to replace my current work hack. The salesperson looked at me as if I was f##king mental when I suggested getting a petrol version this time.
She reckoned that there are hardly any stock petrol Passats in the VW UK dealer network and that you would need to wait nigh on 6 months to get a petrol car from factory order, compared to 3 months for a diesel. As my existing deal ends in 3 months, I went with factory ordering a diesel again.
Of course that might all be bullsh!t. I was expecting petrol to be the new flavour of the month, but apparently not.
She reckoned that there are hardly any stock petrol Passats in the VW UK dealer network and that you would need to wait nigh on 6 months to get a petrol car from factory order, compared to 3 months for a diesel. As my existing deal ends in 3 months, I went with factory ordering a diesel again.
Of course that might all be bullsh!t. I was expecting petrol to be the new flavour of the month, but apparently not.
LotusOmega375D said:
I popped into my local VW dealer last week to sort out ordering a new Passat Estate to replace my current work hack. The salesperson looked at me as if I was f##king mental when I suggested getting a petrol version this time.
She reckoned that there are hardly any stock petrol Passats in the VW UK dealer network and that you would need to wait nigh on 6 months to get a petrol car from factory order, compared to 3 months for a diesel. As my existing deal ends in 3 months, I went with factory ordering a diesel again.
Of course that might all be bullsh!t. I was expecting petrol to be the new flavour of the month, but apparently not.
The petrol passat variant is literally only just out. I think it will sell well here once people twig it exists.She reckoned that there are hardly any stock petrol Passats in the VW UK dealer network and that you would need to wait nigh on 6 months to get a petrol car from factory order, compared to 3 months for a diesel. As my existing deal ends in 3 months, I went with factory ordering a diesel again.
Of course that might all be bullsh!t. I was expecting petrol to be the new flavour of the month, but apparently not.
Aftershox said:
With the news articles about VW, and now Mercedes around emission reports etc. How sensible is it to look at buying a diesel car in this day and age?
My point is, I was looking at buying a F30 330D (2013/2014 car) and planned to run it for 5-8 years. Do you think there likely to be a big change in people buying car's? And diesel's will loose a lot of value?
Having just bought a 2016 Passat TDI with a view to running on at it for many years, i'd have to say i've no particular fears for diesels.My point is, I was looking at buying a F30 330D (2013/2014 car) and planned to run it for 5-8 years. Do you think there likely to be a big change in people buying car's? And diesel's will loose a lot of value?
=> Most of the "anti diesel sentiment" is being drummed up by the tabloids looking for the next big mis-selling scandal (that and PCPs)
=> The government has never successfully applied a change to VED / Road tax retrospectively. Its a big vote loser and they cant afford to lose votes.
=> They will introduce further congestion charges however that will be for pre Euro IV diesel AND petrol cars, and i cant see them banning Euro VI compliant cars and even if they do, i dont drive in to London / any big city anyway. If they do and i do have to drive in to a city, i;ll take our A45 AMG that does 25MPG but is apparently so much better for the environment.
=> Diesels are moving away from being the "default choice" for car buyers and i think thats a good thing. Lots of choice with smaller engined petrol turbo cars that are more economical than their previous NA counterparts.
In the meantime, i'm getting 55 mpg and £20 pa road tax
walsh said:
I drive a diesel at the moment, my first.
Most of nice things I can say about it are related to fuel efficiency. As a real push, I could perhaps find some merit in the fact it is "effortless" in 3rd and 4th gear ( for motorway slip roads etc).
From a driving enjoyment perspective, I am paid up member of the "diesels are for vans and tractor" brigade. They have a place, and that place is usually dictated by running costs. If anything else is a priority, grab the petrol version. A 330i is a much nicer car than the 330d in my opinion. And the 330d is probably one of the best diesels out there.
Luxury cars with penny-pinching diesel engines so the owners (leasers) can afford to run the thing on their tight monthly budget. Most of nice things I can say about it are related to fuel efficiency. As a real push, I could perhaps find some merit in the fact it is "effortless" in 3rd and 4th gear ( for motorway slip roads etc).
From a driving enjoyment perspective, I am paid up member of the "diesels are for vans and tractor" brigade. They have a place, and that place is usually dictated by running costs. If anything else is a priority, grab the petrol version. A 330i is a much nicer car than the 330d in my opinion. And the 330d is probably one of the best diesels out there.
If they can really afford a luxury car and are as wealthy as their car is portraying, the extra fuel cost of a petrol should be pocket change.
Ron99 said:
walsh said:
I drive a diesel at the moment, my first.
Most of nice things I can say about it are related to fuel efficiency. As a real push, I could perhaps find some merit in the fact it is "effortless" in 3rd and 4th gear ( for motorway slip roads etc).
From a driving enjoyment perspective, I am paid up member of the "diesels are for vans and tractor" brigade. They have a place, and that place is usually dictated by running costs. If anything else is a priority, grab the petrol version. A 330i is a much nicer car than the 330d in my opinion. And the 330d is probably one of the best diesels out there.
Luxury cars with penny-pinching diesel engines so the owners (leasers) can afford to run the thing on their tight monthly budget. Most of nice things I can say about it are related to fuel efficiency. As a real push, I could perhaps find some merit in the fact it is "effortless" in 3rd and 4th gear ( for motorway slip roads etc).
From a driving enjoyment perspective, I am paid up member of the "diesels are for vans and tractor" brigade. They have a place, and that place is usually dictated by running costs. If anything else is a priority, grab the petrol version. A 330i is a much nicer car than the 330d in my opinion. And the 330d is probably one of the best diesels out there.
If you can really afford a luxury car and are as wealthy as your car is portraying, the extra fuel cost of a petrol should be pocket change.
I'll counter that with "you cant have money and spend money" - those who are truly wealthy dont piss money up the wall unnecessarily.
I do realise its school holiday season, but i'll bite anyway....
=> Who says anyone is on a tight monthly budget who happens to run a car on a lease?
=> Leases are often significantly cheaper on diesel cars as residuals are better
=> Private buyers of large luxury cars tend to go for diesels because (a) not one f
k do they give about or the environment and (b) a good big torquey diesel in a big cruiser works very well and (c) residuals tend to be better and the cars easier resold.=> Maybe they're not portraying wealth, maybe they like a nice car?
=> If you're sitting in some encapsulated bubble like a Jag XJ, why spend an extra £200 a month of your childrens inheritance to run an engine type that you cant hear anyway?
My BIL just bought an ex demo XJ 3.0D Portfolio. Got it at the right price and it was a nice step up from his previous XF. Bought it for cash (hes that type of person), doesnt care much for petrol engines so something that isnt going to cost him a fortune on fuel and has a reasonable ROI is more important.
Ron99 said:
Luxury cars with penny-pinching diesel engines so the owners (leasers) can afford to run the thing on their tight monthly budget.
If they can really afford a luxury car and are as wealthy as their car is portraying, the extra fuel cost of a petrol should be pocket change.
Welcome to the world of pcps......If they can really afford a luxury car and are as wealthy as their car is portraying, the extra fuel cost of a petrol should be pocket change.
CrgT16 said:
I am doing 30k a year and drive a petrol... am I doing this wrong?
If its the Volvo V70 2.4i you were talking about in another thread for £1,000, probably not, no.You're probably getting 30MPG, and a 2.4D or D5 would be getting 44/45MPG ish.
So probably +£130 a month difference?
Offset that against,
=> you hopefully got a good car, cheap.
=> your budget bought you a younger / better petrol variant than would have bought a diesel variant
=> depreciation isnt a concern
=> resaleability isnt a concern
=> reliability with the petrol variant is probably better, due to being simpler
=> less risk of big bills
av185 said:
Ron99 said:
Luxury cars with penny-pinching diesel engines so the owners (leasers) can afford to run the thing on their tight monthly budget.
If they can really afford a luxury car and are as wealthy as their car is portraying, the extra fuel cost of a petrol should be pocket change.
Welcome to the world of pcps......If they can really afford a luxury car and are as wealthy as their car is portraying, the extra fuel cost of a petrol should be pocket change.
mikal83 said:
tax on my c5 is less than a petrol equiv, also gets ave of 50 mpg as opposed to 35 mpg, costs about the same to buy.
Why should I get the petrol??
Cheaper to buy, no DPF to block up, no DMF to fail, no delicate injectors at 300 quid a pop to err pop, no expensive common rail fuel system, far less sensitive to miss fueling and most are naturally aspirated, so no emission compliant turbo failures. Apart from that, diesel's rock. Why should I get the petrol??
AC43 said:
graham22 said:
I think there will still be a market for big engine mile eating diesels. The market for small diesel 'town cars' is where things will fall as new petrol engines take over.
Good post, agree. If I ever sound "anti-diesel" I'm not. I'd happily schlep down to the south of france in a E350 CDI.What boils my piss in my skinflint (London) neighbours running a whole fleet of sooty little clatterboxes to save 5p a day and filling my lungs with soot and NOx.
That's just wrong. There have always been tons of cheap petrol runabouts available for all the short hop stuff they do.
Saw the same years ago, people buying 2nd hand, the biggest shed of a 1.4 as it was cheaper to tax than a tidy 1.6 because of the 1500cc (1521/1529 whatever it is/was) tax band.
All other costs seem to be ignored in the pursuit of cheaper road tax (and the manufacturers knew that hence sucessful 'low emission' diesel sales).
rxe said:
Sod the fuel saving, in a luxo-barge, diesel is a better fuel. You can have the option of tooling along at 70 with a diesel spinning at about 1700 rpm, or a petrol at 2700. For a long m0torway journey, I'd pick the diesel every time, even if it was more expensive per mile.
My petrol sits between 1900-2000rpm for a genuine 70mph (GPS 70mph).Ron99 said:
rxe said:
Sod the fuel saving, in a luxo-barge, diesel is a better fuel. You can have the option of tooling along at 70 with a diesel spinning at about 1700 rpm, or a petrol at 2700. For a long m0torway journey, I'd pick the diesel every time, even if it was more expensive per mile.
My petrol just under 2000rpm for a genuine 70mph (GPS 70mph).daemon said:
CrgT16 said:
I am doing 30k a year and drive a petrol... am I doing this wrong?
If its the Volvo V70 2.4i you were talking about in another thread for £1,000, probably not, no.You're probably getting 30MPG, and a 2.4D or D5 would be getting 44/45MPG ish.
So probably +£130 a month difference?
Offset that against,
=> you hopefully got a good car, cheap.
=> your budget bought you a younger / better petrol variant than would have bought a diesel variant
=> depreciation isnt a concern
=> resaleability isnt a concern
=> reliability with the petrol variant is probably better, due to being simpler
=> less risk of big bills
mikal83 said:
daemon said:
CrgT16 said:
I am doing 30k a year and drive a petrol... am I doing this wrong?
If its the Volvo V70 2.4i you were talking about in another thread for £1,000, probably not, no.You're probably getting 30MPG, and a 2.4D or D5 would be getting 44/45MPG ish.
So probably +£130 a month difference?
Offset that against,
=> you hopefully got a good car, cheap.
=> your budget bought you a younger / better petrol variant than would have bought a diesel variant
=> depreciation isnt a concern
=> resaleability isnt a concern
=> reliability with the petrol variant is probably better, due to being simpler
=> less risk of big bills
He bought a decent older petrol and hes happy to run it and theres various merit in it as i've pointed out?
Whats your problem??
Ron99 said:
daemon said:
You'll have to drop it a couple of cogs to get any sort of go at that speed. A half decent diesel will have oodles of torque, making for a more relaxed drive.
My petrol has 350Nm, 260lbft, from 1900-4500rpm. Is that not enough?Summarising, there are merits of running a TD variant in a big cruiser over a typical NA petrol engine.
As a suggestion, try updating your profile with your car details under "Your Garage" if you want us to compare specifics rather than being blind to what you're specifically referring to.
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 19th July 14:26
Got my first ever new company car last week, 125D and its a cracking motor. Its faster than the Type-R is replaced (my own car) and returns decent mileage on a long run... my commute is only about 10 miles but it will be used ever other weekend to have a decent run.
I test drove the 125i and the engine left a little to be desired, the twin turbo 125d is a peach, if a little noisy
I test drove the 125i and the engine left a little to be desired, the twin turbo 125d is a peach, if a little noisy
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