Looking at buying a diesel now?
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daemon said:
Ron99 said:
daemon said:
You'll have to drop it a couple of cogs to get any sort of go at that speed. A half decent diesel will have oodles of torque, making for a more relaxed drive.
My petrol has 350Nm, 260lbft, from 1900-4500rpm. Is that not enough?Summarising, there are merits of running a TD variant in a big cruiser over a typical NA petrol engine.
As a suggestion, try updating your profile with your car details under "Your Garage" if you want us to compare specifics rather than being blind to what you're specifically referring to.
Edited by daemon on Wednesday 19th July 14:26
If someone says that diesel has more of x than a petrol, or vice versa I think it's a given that they're comparing like for like, rather than a 1.6 diesel focus against a 4 litre V8 petrol 
Both drivetrains have their advantages and disadvantages, and as such each suit particular types of driver and use.daemon said:
Summarising, there are merits of running a TD variant in a big cruiser over a typical NA petrol engine.
Why compare turbo-diesel against na petrol?Most manufacturers have gone for turbo-petrol and it's not unusual for a turbo-petrol to have torque that's not far short of that of the same-capacity diesel and capable or maintaining that torque far higher up the rev range.
graham22 said:
AC43 said:
graham22 said:
I think there will still be a market for big engine mile eating diesels. The market for small diesel 'town cars' is where things will fall as new petrol engines take over.
Good post, agree. If I ever sound "anti-diesel" I'm not. I'd happily schlep down to the south of france in a E350 CDI.What boils my piss in my skinflint (London) neighbours running a whole fleet of sooty little clatterboxes to save 5p a day and filling my lungs with soot and NOx.
That's just wrong. There have always been tons of cheap petrol runabouts available for all the short hop stuff they do.
Saw the same years ago, people buying 2nd hand, the biggest shed of a 1.4 as it was cheaper to tax than a tidy 1.6 because of the 1500cc (1521/1529 whatever it is/was) tax band.
All other costs seem to be ignored in the pursuit of cheaper road tax (and the manufacturers knew that hence sucessful 'low emission' diesel sales).
I saw a great speech by a researcher last year about people innate irrationality when it comes to money*
- says the man who's about pay a stupid amount to get his seat cooling working again........
RobM77 said:
If someone says that diesel has more of x than a petrol, or vice versa I think it's a given that they're comparing like for like, rather than a 1.6 diesel focus against a 4 litre V8 petrol Both drivetrains have their advantages and disadvantages, and as such each suit particular types of driver and use.2-litre petrol Golf GTI = 350Nm.
2-litre diesel Golf GTD = 380Nm.
Both cars have full torque available at motorway cruising speeds and the 30Nm difference won't make the GTI feel much weaker in-gear.
Edited by Ron99 on Wednesday 19th July 14:56
RicksAlfas said:
anonymous said:
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It's not a problem. The current range of diesels will be around for years to come. The market is still demanding them and the part-ex values are still good.
It's the Euro 4's and 5's that are in the gun sights in cities. And anyone who thinks it's a good idea to do a DPF delete. Rightly so.
Ron99 said:
RobM77 said:
If someone says that diesel has more of x than a petrol, or vice versa I think it's a given that they're comparing like for like, rather than a 1.6 diesel focus against a 4 litre V8 petrol Both drivetrains have their advantages and disadvantages, and as such each suit particular types of driver and use.2-litre petrol Golf GTI = 350Nm.
2-litre diesel Golf GTD = 380Nm.
Both cars have full torque available at motorway cruising speeds and the 30Nm difference won't make the GTI feel much weaker in-gear.
Edited by Ron99 on Wednesday 19th July 14:56
That's much more like it. We're now just down to the usual comparisons, which are fuel economy, sound, NVH, how they drive etc.anonymous said:
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Totally agree. N/A petrol is obviously the cheapest option. As for Turbo Petrol vs Diesel, much can go wrong with both it all depends on how well they are looked after. If buying with my own money i would probably go petrol due to the scary bills diesels can throw up (experience with an older Merc for the missus, it was a lemon and we threw money at it but never really had it running 100%), but surely this cant happen to ever diesel car over 5 years old?Aftershox said:
With the news articles about VW, and now Mercedes around emission reports etc. How sensible is it to look at buying a diesel car in this day and age?
My point is, I was looking at buying a F30 330D (2013/2014 car) and planned to run it for 5-8 years. Do you think there likely to be a big change in people buying car's? And diesel's will loose a lot of value?
If you buy a four year old BMW and run it for 8 years it won't matter whether it's petrol or diesel. The cars not gonna be worth much.My point is, I was looking at buying a F30 330D (2013/2014 car) and planned to run it for 5-8 years. Do you think there likely to be a big change in people buying car's? And diesel's will loose a lot of value?
Thankyou4calling said:
Aftershox said:
With the news articles about VW, and now Mercedes around emission reports etc. How sensible is it to look at buying a diesel car in this day and age?
My point is, I was looking at buying a F30 330D (2013/2014 car) and planned to run it for 5-8 years. Do you think there likely to be a big change in people buying car's? And diesel's will loose a lot of value?
If you buy a four year old BMW and run it for 8 years it won't matter whether it's petrol or diesel. The cars not gonna be worth much.My point is, I was looking at buying a F30 330D (2013/2014 car) and planned to run it for 5-8 years. Do you think there likely to be a big change in people buying car's? And diesel's will loose a lot of value?
anonymous said:
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This one?https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
New diesels aren't the problem, EU 6 is considered acceptable (albeit maybe currently) and the split of Diesel/Petrol sales for cars remains broadly the same. There are lot's of 'experts' with access to the internet giving advice as to what people should do and stories/anecdotes of retailers behaviour about the 'death of diesel' which if true, is based around marking down trade-ins generally so that they can make more margin. Similar could be said about your comment earlier in this thread of 'There's definitely a big change going on at the moment away from diesels. That could work in your favour as it will be cheaper to pick up a used diesel than otherwise would be the case.' which is not true and I would hazard a guess is your opinion and not based on any kind of fact.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/apr/05/u...
Edited by Pintofbest on Wednesday 19th July 17:19
Edited by Pintofbest on Wednesday 19th July 17:20
Edited by Pintofbest on Wednesday 19th July 17:34
My mate works in the main dealer trade. He says,
- Everyone's trying to trade-in diesels
- All the Approved Used buyers are looking for petrols
daemon said:
Ron99 said:
rxe said:
Sod the fuel saving, in a luxo-barge, diesel is a better fuel. You can have the option of tooling along at 70 with a diesel spinning at about 1700 rpm, or a petrol at 2700. For a long m0torway journey, I'd pick the diesel every time, even if it was more expensive per mile.
My petrol just under 2000rpm for a genuine 70mph (GPS 70mph).rockin said:
My mate works in the main dealer trade. He says,
Interesting article from Cox Automotive (aka Manheim): Blue and White paper - Diesel in the UK- Everyone's trying to trade-in diesels
- All the Approved Used buyers are looking for petrols
"Despite the extensive negative media coverage about diesel vehicles, we do not currently see any real impact on the used car market.
While this may change in the coming months and years, right now there is no need to take corrective action in the used car space."
Ron99 said:
RobM77 said:
If someone says that diesel has more of x than a petrol, or vice versa I think it's a given that they're comparing like for like, rather than a 1.6 diesel focus against a 4 litre V8 petrol Both drivetrains have their advantages and disadvantages, and as such each suit particular types of driver and use.2-litre petrol Golf GTI = 350Nm.
2-litre diesel Golf GTD = 380Nm.
Both cars have full torque available at motorway cruising speeds and the 30Nm difference won't make the GTI feel much weaker in-gear.
daemon said:
Eh?
He bought a decent older petrol and hes happy to run it and theres various merit in it as i've pointed out?
Whats your problem??
Actually I drive a new 340i. I get overall 32mpg but I drive it because that's what I want to drive. I don't feel any worse off in terms if my lifestyle or spare cash although i appreciate there is a saving in real terms. For me I just prefer to drive petrol car. I pay a bit more for that but so what? Other smoke or drink expensive wine.... Also buying a shed for mega miles... yes thought about it but why would I want to spend a lot of my driving time in an old car?He bought a decent older petrol and hes happy to run it and theres various merit in it as i've pointed out?
Whats your problem??
My OH thinks differently and is keen to buy diesel so she saves £100 a month on fuel but offsets that savings elsewhere.
Each to their own after driving a diesel for many years I change to petrol end of last year and I wished I did it sooner!
av185 said:
Welcome to the world of pcps......
I pulled into my local Tesco for a tank of Momentum 99 yesterday evening and a diesel Audi A4 pulls up to use the pump behind me.I'd only put £20 of petrol into my car before the Audi driver has finished and is walking with their kid to the kiosk to pay.
Was £20 of Tesco diesel all they could afford to put in? I strongly suspect it was.
I was recently in a main dealer of predominantly smaller cars and the comment was made to me that they are moving out of diesel big style and the order had come down from on high to shift all diesel stock asap - not said to me as a buyer of either type.
Anyone wants a petrol: I would get what you want and don't be put off by people trying to shift diesel stock with bs unless the price is right
Anyone wants a petrol: I would get what you want and don't be put off by people trying to shift diesel stock with bs unless the price is right
Currently, residual values of diesel cars are dropping much faster that petrol cars.The rush away from diesel is just starting, with many people planning to buy a petrol or hybrid car next time.The trade are starting to knock diesel px prices as they are worried about unwanted stock hanging around and dropping quickly in value. Those manufacturers with no viable petrol offerings will still be pushing diesel models, as that's all they have. The Passat issue is a classic example, I suggest the poster looks at a petrol hybrid for his next car. A Lexus IS is a very nice place to be, much nicer than a Passat, with tons of good used ones about.
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