RE: Vauxhall brings back the GSI!
Discussion
theJT said:
I like it. But... well... isn't 260bhp... not really quite enough these days? That's not a small car, and people seem to be able to extract silly power from things the size of skateboards now.
I feel silly saying that anything north of 250bhp in a saloon car might not be enough, but things really have changed in the last 10 years.
Everyone is talking about the power output and "not a VXR"... but when did you last see an Insignia VXR on the road?I feel silly saying that anything north of 250bhp in a saloon car might not be enough, but things really have changed in the last 10 years.
That had 320HP and according to howmanyleft, less than 800 units sold...
rtz62 said:
The downside to modern regs is that Vauxhalls look like Audis look like Renaults look like.... I'm sure you get my viewpoint.
To be fair, it's very rare that a company makes anything other than an accomplished car these days, and blindfolded I wonder how many of us would know what we were sat in?
Don't disagree, but surely the same can be said throughout car history ; eg in the late sixties/early seventies the Cortina looked like the Hunter looked like the Viva. In the eighties the Cavalier looked like the (Audi) 100 looked like the Sierra etc To be fair, it's very rare that a company makes anything other than an accomplished car these days, and blindfolded I wonder how many of us would know what we were sat in?
If only this had a similar engine to the 240hp diesel in the new Passat, yes I know, this is pistonheads and we like petrol but from Vauxhalls point of view, I can't see them shifting many of these as the any 3.0 diesel's from Bmw/Audi/merc have more or less the same power with more torque and that magical 40+ mpg figure! I think a hot diesel model will outselll this GSi 10-1.
Lovely looking car though, however it's like somebody mentioned, with all these monthly payment deals, leases, pcp's or whatever they are, people would just rather go for a C220d or an A4 purely on the badge being more premium!
Lovely looking car though, however it's like somebody mentioned, with all these monthly payment deals, leases, pcp's or whatever they are, people would just rather go for a C220d or an A4 purely on the badge being more premium!
These former GM Europe platforms are mid-life. It will be interesting to see how a Chinese controlled Peugeot-Citroen develops the Vauxhall and Opel brands.
In the long-term we can surely expect a rationalised product/platform mix to capitalise on economy of scale. Hopefully the badge engineering will be scaled back a bit. They can so easily learn from what VW have done.
In the long-term we can surely expect a rationalised product/platform mix to capitalise on economy of scale. Hopefully the badge engineering will be scaled back a bit. They can so easily learn from what VW have done.
First time I've seen the new Insignia in any guise. That is a loving looking thing, at least by modern safety-obsessed standards.
I don't understand people who say modern Vauxhalls are rubbish - bland yes, just like their competition, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with them. I honestly can't see any difference in quality between the mainstream European brands at all.
I don't understand people who say modern Vauxhalls are rubbish - bland yes, just like their competition, but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with them. I honestly can't see any difference in quality between the mainstream European brands at all.
Jonny_ said:
That looks bloody good, especially the rear end. Nice colour in the pics, too.
That does look smart. The new Insignia in standard guise looks pretty nice in general, IMO.I've never been a fan of Vauxhall's at all if i'm honest. I did have a few passenger rides in a work-friend's Corsa VXR with a few mods, which sounded nice but didn't feel that fast. The interior was really cheap and brittle as well and just felt like anything that you touch would break.
Reintroducing the GSI badge is just going to be a marketing exercise. That was the age when Vauxhall were making popular, faster versions of their normal cars and they were quite a hit from what i remember. I just can't see them being as good as they were back in the day.
theJT said:
I like it. But... well... isn't 260bhp... not really quite enough these days? That's not a small car, and people seem to be able to extract silly power from things the size of skateboards now.
I feel silly saying that anything north of 250bhp in a saloon car might not be enough, but things really have changed in the last 10 years.
Sure I read there's 2.8 Turbo on the way, this is the 2.0.I feel silly saying that anything north of 250bhp in a saloon car might not be enough, but things really have changed in the last 10 years.
mnx42 said:
Lovely looking car to my eyes. Had an Astra GTE back in the day and loved it.. wouldnt mind one of these if the deals are ok.
I had a '91 Astra GTE with the digital dash. It's coolness back then was off the scale. All my mates wanted it...sadly someone wanted it so much they stole it and turned it into a BBQ when they'd had their fun 
Wife's facelift company Insignia has been totally reliable to date. 73k miles and only an occasional steerable headlight fault to report (which self corrects). Has averaged 50mpg over that entire time despite being "exercised" every day.
Dull but quite handsome and well resolved and certainly not poorly built (gear-lever/surround trim clash notwithstanding)
Re the diesel comments above, surely people haven't been asleep???? A petrol turbo is likely to sell better than a performance diesel now.
Dull but quite handsome and well resolved and certainly not poorly built (gear-lever/surround trim clash notwithstanding)
Re the diesel comments above, surely people haven't been asleep???? A petrol turbo is likely to sell better than a performance diesel now.
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