RE: Lotus Evora GT430 - official!
Discussion
£112k don't be daft....what are Lotus thinking...making some very nice machines lately but prices are bonkers, i'd take a GT3 any day and i do love Lotus and always have!
Exige 380 overpriced too
seems a shame that manufacturers feel they have to make these cars cost over 100k making them totally unobtainable...
Exige 380 overpriced too
seems a shame that manufacturers feel they have to make these cars cost over 100k making them totally unobtainable...
I want one of those so much it hurts. What an absolutely stunning piece of kit. Lotus seem to be releasing new variants of something-or-other every week at the moment. As far as I'm concerned that's bloody brilliant, because they all seem to be superb.
As for the price, what else are you going to buy, new, for ~£100k that comes anywhere close to this for looks and performance?
Keep churning them out, if my numbers come up on Saturday night I'll be camping outside the nearest Lotus dealer 'til it opens on Sunday.
As for the price, what else are you going to buy, new, for ~£100k that comes anywhere close to this for looks and performance?
Keep churning them out, if my numbers come up on Saturday night I'll be camping outside the nearest Lotus dealer 'til it opens on Sunday.
If it's the same price as a GT3, then it's overpriced by 20-30% IMO. Lotus needs to appeal by giving similar performance at a lower price, otherwise people aren't going to stump up for a lotus. It's just not got enough 'halo' factor, it's not reputed for reliability and it's not known for luxury.
OK, before I start to Bus Lotus I'll add some context :
I have owned,
4 x Elise R's / 111R's S2 (2 New)
1 x Exige S S2
1 x Elise SC S2 (New)
1 x 2 11
1 x Lotus Evora NA
1 x Lotus Elise SC S3
1 x Lotus Elise S S3
So I think I'm allowed to criticise the brand and some of the product !
This is utter madness ! 113k ! Seriously, Lotus you are losing site of what product / customer you are aiming at !
No one will spend 90k on an Evora let alone 113k ! Good luck !
Boggy
I have owned,
4 x Elise R's / 111R's S2 (2 New)
1 x Exige S S2
1 x Elise SC S2 (New)
1 x 2 11
1 x Lotus Evora NA
1 x Lotus Elise SC S3
1 x Lotus Elise S S3
So I think I'm allowed to criticise the brand and some of the product !
This is utter madness ! 113k ! Seriously, Lotus you are losing site of what product / customer you are aiming at !
No one will spend 90k on an Evora let alone 113k ! Good luck !
Boggy
That`s because people are stupid enough to pay over the odds for one...if demand dried up then the price would drop...as it will in time when the current fever for speculation stops, when interest rates start to go up.
I do not think it is overpriced for a very low volume car with a lot of expensive carbon fibre and other bespoke items. I personally think it needs a chunk more power and torque and a bit higher price still to make it worth, as I would, swapping my 12c for one. I also have a 400 which is superb and is a well balanced package, and can quite readily be modified to either 430 or 460hp, and have improved dampers and a motor sport wing fitted. I do really like the carbon front and rear clams though...
I do not think it is overpriced for a very low volume car with a lot of expensive carbon fibre and other bespoke items. I personally think it needs a chunk more power and torque and a bit higher price still to make it worth, as I would, swapping my 12c for one. I also have a 400 which is superb and is a well balanced package, and can quite readily be modified to either 430 or 460hp, and have improved dampers and a motor sport wing fitted. I do really like the carbon front and rear clams though...
Boggy said:
OK, before I start to Bus Lotus I'll add some context :
I have owned,
4 x Elise R's / 111R's S2 (2 New)
1 x Exige S S2
1 x Elise SC S2 (New)
1 x 2 11
1 x Lotus Evora NA
1 x Lotus Elise SC S3
1 x Lotus Elise S S3
So I think I'm allowed to criticise the brand and some of the product !
This is utter madness ! 113k ! Seriously, Lotus you are losing site of what product / customer you are aiming at !
No one will spend 90k on an Evora let alone 113k ! Good luck !
Boggy
No, they are offering a car for sale at price point that it out of reach for some existing customers. The target is clearly not existing customers and Lotus has no special reason to ignore those with greater means who might like a Lotus just to please those who don't. The company offers a number of products at lower price points that cater for that audience.I have owned,
4 x Elise R's / 111R's S2 (2 New)
1 x Exige S S2
1 x Elise SC S2 (New)
1 x 2 11
1 x Lotus Evora NA
1 x Lotus Elise SC S3
1 x Lotus Elise S S3
So I think I'm allowed to criticise the brand and some of the product !
This is utter madness ! 113k ! Seriously, Lotus you are losing site of what product / customer you are aiming at !
No one will spend 90k on an Evora let alone 113k ! Good luck !
Boggy
This car is only 60 units, not 2000 annual volume and watch every one of them sell.
Lotus needs to start offering cars at more profitable price points for those that can afford it. I sympathise with folks who would like to have the car at 2 pounds fifty and a packet of quavers but that just isn't real. Complain when they stop offering cars at 40k, then they will be leaving a customer base. Not when they add at the top end.
I had an Evora for a number of years, I would pay this money for this car and there are enough people like me. What I want is for lotus to show us a 150k Esprit, keep the Elise level cars at the same time and take the brand back to where it rightfully belongs, offering wonderful cars at a number of price points for a wide audience- and winning races.
Maybe after a number of years of that we wouldn't have numpties (not you sir) like some on here whining about the Lotus brand can't stand comparison with marques that have contributed a fraction of what Lotus has to the automotive world and wouldn't know a chequered flag if someone inserted one up their Jacksie.
Lotus (along with McLaren) is Britain's great sports car and racing marque. 25 years of plonkers with no money not funding a thing have a lot to answer for- and owners who resent the marque moving back out the niche it didn't live in when Colin was around and which happens to suit their own needs.
Really like the new rear end styling.
Wasn't a fan of the funny spoiler/brake light arrangement on the newer Evora's, but this is spot on !!!
Hope this new rear end styling is applied to the rest of the range, as it is much less fussy looking and adds some extra visual muscle too
£113k is a lot, but there are only going to be 60, so .......
Will have mine with the massive rear spoiler removed please
Wasn't a fan of the funny spoiler/brake light arrangement on the newer Evora's, but this is spot on !!!
Hope this new rear end styling is applied to the rest of the range, as it is much less fussy looking and adds some extra visual muscle too
£113k is a lot, but there are only going to be 60, so .......
Will have mine with the massive rear spoiler removed please
I'm a huge Lotus fan, but I'm a bit confused as to which model is supposed to be the high performance focused coupé - Evora or Exige? Mind you, Ferrari are doing the same thing with their GT, the 812 Superfast, being faster than their mid-engined supercar, the 488.
My other query is how come this is as fast as a 3-Eleven around Hethel? Doesn't the 3-Eleven have more power, significantly less weight and similar aero?! As well as a sequential box. I realise the drag of the open top layout at higher speeds will favour the Evora, but my 2-Eleven was at least a match for an Exige Cup around a quick circuit (see You Tube for a vid of me at Goodwood chasing some Exige Cups), despite appearing slower on paper, so comparing power and weight the 3-Eleven should walk all over this new Evora?
My other query is how come this is as fast as a 3-Eleven around Hethel? Doesn't the 3-Eleven have more power, significantly less weight and similar aero?! As well as a sequential box. I realise the drag of the open top layout at higher speeds will favour the Evora, but my 2-Eleven was at least a match for an Exige Cup around a quick circuit (see You Tube for a vid of me at Goodwood chasing some Exige Cups), despite appearing slower on paper, so comparing power and weight the 3-Eleven should walk all over this new Evora?
gashead1105 said:
"It's too expensive"
"Toyota engine"
"rubbish gearbox" (which it isn't by the way)
"I'm MrD, I'm in my pram, where are my toys"
Right, now that's out the way, what a fabulous looking thing this is. With a lot of luck, I might be able to afford one in 3 or 4 years time, at which point I'm hoping there will be an even fancier GT460!
You forgot "too heavy" and some kind of comparison with a Cayman GT4."Toyota engine"
"rubbish gearbox" (which it isn't by the way)
"I'm MrD, I'm in my pram, where are my toys"
Right, now that's out the way, what a fabulous looking thing this is. With a lot of luck, I might be able to afford one in 3 or 4 years time, at which point I'm hoping there will be an even fancier GT460!
Europa1 said:
gashead1105 said:
"It's too expensive"
"Toyota engine"
"rubbish gearbox" (which it isn't by the way)
"I'm MrD, I'm in my pram, where are my toys"
Right, now that's out the way, what a fabulous looking thing this is. With a lot of luck, I might be able to afford one in 3 or 4 years time, at which point I'm hoping there will be an even fancier GT460!
You forgot "too heavy" and some kind of comparison with a Cayman GT4."Toyota engine"
"rubbish gearbox" (which it isn't by the way)
"I'm MrD, I'm in my pram, where are my toys"
Right, now that's out the way, what a fabulous looking thing this is. With a lot of luck, I might be able to afford one in 3 or 4 years time, at which point I'm hoping there will be an even fancier GT460!
cathalm said:
No, they are offering a car for sale at price point that it out of reach for some existing customers. The target is clearly not existing customers and Lotus has no special reason to ignore those with greater means who might like a Lotus just to please those who don't. The company offers a number of products at lower price points that cater for that audience.
This car is only 60 units, not 2000 annual volume and watch every one of them sell.
Lotus needs to start offering cars at more profitable price points for those that can afford it. I sympathise with folks who would like to have the car at 2 pounds fifty and a packet of quavers but that just isn't real. Complain when they stop offering cars at 40k, then they will be leaving a customer base. Not when they add at the top end.
I had an Evora for a number of years, I would pay this money for this car and there are enough people like me. What I want is for lotus to show us a 150k Esprit, keep the Elise level cars at the same time and take the brand back to where it rightfully belongs, offering wonderful cars at a number of price points for a wide audience- and winning races.
Maybe after a number of years of that we wouldn't have numpties (not you sir) like some on here whining about the Lotus brand can't stand comparison with marques that have contributed a fraction of what Lotus has to the automotive world and wouldn't know a chequered flag if someone inserted one up their Jacksie.
Lotus (along with McLaren) is Britain's great sports car and racing marque. 25 years of plonkers with no money not funding a thing have a lot to answer for- and owners who resent the marque moving back out the niche it didn't live in when Colin was around and which happens to suit their own needs.
Great post.This car is only 60 units, not 2000 annual volume and watch every one of them sell.
Lotus needs to start offering cars at more profitable price points for those that can afford it. I sympathise with folks who would like to have the car at 2 pounds fifty and a packet of quavers but that just isn't real. Complain when they stop offering cars at 40k, then they will be leaving a customer base. Not when they add at the top end.
I had an Evora for a number of years, I would pay this money for this car and there are enough people like me. What I want is for lotus to show us a 150k Esprit, keep the Elise level cars at the same time and take the brand back to where it rightfully belongs, offering wonderful cars at a number of price points for a wide audience- and winning races.
Maybe after a number of years of that we wouldn't have numpties (not you sir) like some on here whining about the Lotus brand can't stand comparison with marques that have contributed a fraction of what Lotus has to the automotive world and wouldn't know a chequered flag if someone inserted one up their Jacksie.
Lotus (along with McLaren) is Britain's great sports car and racing marque. 25 years of plonkers with no money not funding a thing have a lot to answer for- and owners who resent the marque moving back out the niche it didn't live in when Colin was around and which happens to suit their own needs.
What Lotus Cars have achieved in the last three years is quite remarkable given the instability and limited investment. The new MD has instigated an engineering led approach to refine and improve parts to reduce weight and it's a cheap way of improving performance. The subtext to this is that at the same time he is quietly reducing input costs and therefore improving profit margins, helping the car making part of the business to be sustainable. This can only be good news - we all want to see a new Elise and maybe one day an Esprit. I don't understand why there is a perception is that this car cannot co-exist with the existing Evora/Elise/Exige/3-Eleven range.
Whether one can afford the price of entry or not, there is a market for this car at the (modest) volumes they are suggesting, and as a halo product it makes perfect sense.
Heathrow said:
cathalm said:
No, they are offering a car for sale at price point that it out of reach for some existing customers. The target is clearly not existing customers and Lotus has no special reason to ignore those with greater means who might like a Lotus just to please those who don't. The company offers a number of products at lower price points that cater for that audience.
This car is only 60 units, not 2000 annual volume and watch every one of them sell.
Lotus needs to start offering cars at more profitable price points for those that can afford it. I sympathise with folks who would like to have the car at 2 pounds fifty and a packet of quavers but that just isn't real. Complain when they stop offering cars at 40k, then they will be leaving a customer base. Not when they add at the top end.
I had an Evora for a number of years, I would pay this money for this car and there are enough people like me. What I want is for lotus to show us a 150k Esprit, keep the Elise level cars at the same time and take the brand back to where it rightfully belongs, offering wonderful cars at a number of price points for a wide audience- and winning races.
Maybe after a number of years of that we wouldn't have numpties (not you sir) like some on here whining about the Lotus brand can't stand comparison with marques that have contributed a fraction of what Lotus has to the automotive world and wouldn't know a chequered flag if someone inserted one up their Jacksie.
Lotus (along with McLaren) is Britain's great sports car and racing marque. 25 years of plonkers with no money not funding a thing have a lot to answer for- and owners who resent the marque moving back out the niche it didn't live in when Colin was around and which happens to suit their own needs.
Great post.This car is only 60 units, not 2000 annual volume and watch every one of them sell.
Lotus needs to start offering cars at more profitable price points for those that can afford it. I sympathise with folks who would like to have the car at 2 pounds fifty and a packet of quavers but that just isn't real. Complain when they stop offering cars at 40k, then they will be leaving a customer base. Not when they add at the top end.
I had an Evora for a number of years, I would pay this money for this car and there are enough people like me. What I want is for lotus to show us a 150k Esprit, keep the Elise level cars at the same time and take the brand back to where it rightfully belongs, offering wonderful cars at a number of price points for a wide audience- and winning races.
Maybe after a number of years of that we wouldn't have numpties (not you sir) like some on here whining about the Lotus brand can't stand comparison with marques that have contributed a fraction of what Lotus has to the automotive world and wouldn't know a chequered flag if someone inserted one up their Jacksie.
Lotus (along with McLaren) is Britain's great sports car and racing marque. 25 years of plonkers with no money not funding a thing have a lot to answer for- and owners who resent the marque moving back out the niche it didn't live in when Colin was around and which happens to suit their own needs.
What Lotus Cars have achieved in the last three years is quite remarkable given the instability and limited investment. The new MD has instigated an engineering led approach to refine and improve parts to reduce weight and it's a cheap way of improving performance. The subtext to this is that at the same time he is quietly reducing input costs and therefore improving profit margins, helping the car making part of the business to be sustainable. This can only be good news - we all want to see a new Elise and maybe one day an Esprit. I don't understand why there is a perception is that this car cannot co-exist with the existing Evora/Elise/Exige/3-Eleven range.
Whether one can afford the price of entry or not, there is a market for this car at the (modest) volumes they are suggesting, and as a halo product it makes perfect sense.
Broadening their appeal is particularly necessary for Lotus because of the 'Lotus Effect', whereby people like me buy a car from them and love it so much we keep it for years. I had my Elise for 8 years and loved it too much to sell it - the issue with this, which I understand is fairly typical Lotus ownership, is that Lotus don't make as much money as Porsche or BMW, whose owners' tend to want the latest shiny model every three years. My friend Colin has owned his Esprit since the early 80s I think!
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