Primary secondary position -good or bad for cycling driving?

[Pica-Pica]

Ares said:

cb1965 said:

The trouble is that the pro cycling lobby are, these days, generally a militant lot who do not accept that anything a cyclist does is wrong and put forth the general opinion that all motorised vehicle drivers are incompetent.

Such bullst. I know and ride with 100s of cyclist. Not one is what I would class as militant, nor have a holier than though attitude, nor "put forth the general opinion that all motorised vehicle drivers are incompetent".

Like it or not, there is many many times more aggression shown towards cyclist than from them. With people walking our plant having your above quoted opinion, there is little wonder.

Try crossing on the 'green man' in London, cyclists with Acme Thunnderer whistle in mouth will mow you down, if you do not look for them.

[anonymous-user]

Pica-Pica said:

Ares said:

cb1965 said:

The trouble is that the pro cycling lobby are, these days, generally a militant lot who do not accept that anything a cyclist does is wrong and put forth the general opinion that all motorised vehicle drivers are incompetent.

Such bullst. I know and ride with 100s of cyclist. Not one is what I would class as militant, nor have a holier than though attitude, nor "put forth the general opinion that all motorised vehicle drivers are incompetent".

Like it or not, there is many many times more aggression shown towards cyclist than from them. With people walking our plant having your above quoted opinion, there is little wonder.

Try crossing on the 'green man' in London, cyclists with Acme Thunnderer whistle in mouth will mow you down, if you do not look for them.

You're wasting your time with Ares (I think his username is an anagram of what he is btw) as he is part of the problem not the solution!

[anonymous-user]

saaby93 said:

TwistingMyMelon said:

Thing is its not just the primary position , sometimes I have to ride in the middle of the road as the road has deteriorated with pot holes and sinks into the verge

yep we all know that
You get pot holes in the middle in places too
What would happen if we dropped the terms gutter, primary secondary and reverted to normal cycling, as per the lady on the bike above?

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 27th July 10:20

We may as well drop the term gutter as at least three 'cyclists' on this forum have no clue what one is!

[M-SportMatt]

https://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/pedal-cyc...

This may help some of you

See the title of the section......Sharing the road together it may give some of the entitled folk on here, both motorists and cyclists a little clue about how to behave.

Any cyclists who don't follow these guidelines are as inconsiderate as the motor vehicles that don't

[giantdefy]

cb1965 said:

We may as well drop the term gutter as at least three 'cyclists' on this forum have no clue what one is!

Cyclist know full well what the gutter is, it's the place with dangerous debris from the road, dangerous drains, dangerous potholes and therefore a wholly unsuitible place to ride.

[M-SportMatt]

giantdefy said:

Cyclist know full well what the gutter is, it's the place with dangerous debris from the road, dangerous drains, dangerous potholes and therefore a wholly unsuitible place to ride.

Dont forget riding in the gutter gives you NO margin at all in a crosswind of after a fast pass by a car or a pass by a lorry/bus that will cause you to deviate from your course.....

But its the place to be according to 93 braincell post denying OP

[WinstonWolf]

saaby93 said:

Integroo said:

Saaby, is your only point in life to make never-ending posts raising arguments between those who cycle and those who do not,

Of course not - many people do both
And in a similar vein is your only point in life to fill up forum space with off topic stuff?

We've already established it's safer then you drag it up again to troll your opinions.

You're not interested in cycling and haven't had any advanced driver training so why kick it off again?

I suggest you go and read Roadcraft, it'll help make you a better driver.

[saaby93]

M-SportMatt said:

But its the place to be according to 93 braincell post denying OP

Easy way to demonstrate you have nothing to add is take a pop at a poster instead

WinstonWolf said:

We've already established it's safer

If it is, where was established... all ears
Show us the stats or the report one vs the other

[M-SportMatt]

saaby93 said:

M-SportMatt said:

But its the place to be according to 93 braincell post denying OP

Easy way to demonstrate you have nothing to add is take a pop at a poster instead

I've added plenty....what have you added? Apart from the covert insistence that keeping far left is safest.....

M-SportMatt said:

https://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/pedal-cyc...

This may help some of you

See the title of the section......Sharing the road together it may give some of the entitled folk on here, both motorists and cyclists a little clue about how to behave.

Any cyclists who don't follow these guidelines are as inconsiderate as the motor vehicles that don't

[WinstonWolf]

saaby93 said:

M-SportMatt said:

But its the place to be according to 93 braincell post denying OP

Easy way to demonstrate you have nothing to add is take a pop at a poster instead

WinstonWolf said:

We've already established it's safer

If it is, where was established... all ears
Show us the stats or the report one vs the other

Look it up yourself if you're interested. Clippety clop Mr Troll...

[saaby93]

WinstonWolf said:

saaby93 said:

M-SportMatt said:

But its the place to be according to 93 braincell post denying OP

Easy way to demonstrate you have nothing to add is take a pop at a poster instead

WinstonWolf said:

We've already established it's safer

If it is, where was established... all ears
Show us the stats or the report one vs the other

Look it up yourself if you're interested. Clippety clop Mr Troll...

As I said I havent found anything - has anyone else
Unless you can post anything up - you're the one who's trying to be a troll

[WinstonWolf]

saaby93 said:

WinstonWolf said:

saaby93 said:

M-SportMatt said:

But its the place to be according to 93 braincell post denying OP

Easy way to demonstrate you have nothing to add is take a pop at a poster instead

WinstonWolf said:

We've already established it's safer

If it is, where was established... all ears
Show us the stats or the report one vs the other

Look it up yourself if you're interested. Clippety clop Mr Troll...

As I said I havent found anything - has anyone else
Unless you can post anything up - you're the one who's trying to be a troll

I'm not aiding your trolling, you'll immediately find fault with anything posted. You have zero interest, you've not even done any advanced driving training

[saaby93]

M-SportMatt said:

saaby93 said:

M-SportMatt said:

But its the place to be according to 93 braincell post denying OP

Easy way to demonstrate you have nothing to add is take a pop at a poster instead

I've added plenty....what have you added? Apart from the covert insistence that keeping far left is safest.....

M-SportMatt said:

https://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/pedal-cyc...

This may help some of you

See the title of the section......Sharing the road together it may give some of the entitled folk on here, both motorists and cyclists a little clue about how to behave.

Any cyclists who don't follow these guidelines are as inconsiderate as the motor vehicles that don't

Matt have a read of what Ive said instead of posting up stuff I havent? Nowhere have I done any such covert insistence

I'm aware of that rospa page and it also seems to use its source as that cyclecraft book
- it again doesnt have anything that backs up the proposal

Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 27th July 12:15

[M-SportMatt]

saaby93 said:

M-SportMatt said:

saaby93 said:

M-SportMatt said:

But its the place to be according to 93 braincell post denying OP

Easy way to demonstrate you have nothing to add is take a pop at a poster instead

I've added plenty....what have you added? Apart from the covert insistence that keeping far left is safest.....

M-SportMatt said:

https://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/pedal-cyc...

This may help some of you

See the title of the section......Sharing the road together it may give some of the entitled folk on here, both motorists and cyclists a little clue about how to behave.

Any cyclists who don't follow these guidelines are as inconsiderate as the motor vehicles that don't

Matt why dont you read what Ive said instead of posting up stuff I havent? Nowhere have I done any such covert insistence

I'm aware of that rospa page and it also seems to use its source as that cyclecraft book
- it again doesnt have anything that backs up the proposal

Saaby, can you stop denying what you posted? Post 1 says its common to see cyclist in the middle holding up a long line of traffic.....i've quoted it, its still there and you're repeatedly denying it.

Are you schizophrenic or stupid?

[saaby93]

M-SportMatt said:

Saaby, can you stop denying what you posted? Post 1 says its common to see cyclist in the middle holding up a long line of traffic.....i've quoted it, its still there and you're repeatedly denying it.

it doesnt say that

M-SportMatt said:

Are you schizophrenic or stupid?

I guess youre looking in a mirror talking to yourself

[chow pan toon]

It seems like simple common sense not to be riding in a position where you will end up having to keep moving out to avoid drains and have no room to move left if you need to.

[WinstonWolf]

saaby93 said:

M-SportMatt said:

Saaby, can you stop denying what you posted? Post 1 says its common to see cyclist in the middle holding up a long line of traffic.....i've quoted it, its still there and you're repeatedly denying it.

it doesnt say that

M-SportMatt said:

Are you schizophrenic or stupid?

I guess youre looking in a mirror talking to yourself

Against my better judgement...

http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyc...

Discuss.

[mgv8]

cb1965 said:

despite the fact they make up a tiny percentage of the overall total and will only ever do so.

In London this is not ture. Thay make up good percentage and growing. This with the new paths and the ULCC in 2020 (or 19) are going to see even more people moving onto bikes.

[M-SportMatt]

saaby93 said:

M-SportMatt said:

Saaby, can you stop denying what you posted? Post 1 says its common to see cyclist in the middle holding up a long line of traffic.....i've quoted it, its still there and you're repeatedly denying it.

it doesnt say that

M-SportMatt said:

Are you schizophrenic or stupid?

I guess youre looking in a mirror talking to yourself

So what part of this doesn't say that

saaby93 said:

. It's not uncommon to see a bike in centre of lane ( primary position) keeping an HGV or car behind with a long queue behind, rather than pulling over to let the queue pass.

[saaby93]

WinstonWolf said:

Against my better judgement...

http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyc...

Discuss.

What better judgement?
I followed the links and still couldn't see where the stats or a report show where the gutter primary secondary strategy is safer than normal cycling