Honda Civic - 1.8 i-VTEC or 2.2 i CTDi?
Discussion
AB57 said:
I'll be interested in people's opinions as well as I'm trying to decide whether to go for the 1.8 or the Type R.
The 1.8 is meant to be very good and from what I've read very efficient. The diesel would only make sense if you're doing a lot of miles.
is the diesel not also faster?The 1.8 is meant to be very good and from what I've read very efficient. The diesel would only make sense if you're doing a lot of miles.
Edited by alexlane989 on Sunday 23 July 09:15
Depends on what you are going to use it for ?
We use ours as them holiday car (massive boot on these) and also the caravan tow car, thus the 2.2 is great for us. Economy is around 45mpg, 35 when towing so not too bad.
I don't think the 1.8 would work as well as a tow car.
However down a fast b road on my own I'd always pick the petrol. The chassis feels quite capable but it's ruined by the diesel in our car.
We use ours as them holiday car (massive boot on these) and also the caravan tow car, thus the 2.2 is great for us. Economy is around 45mpg, 35 when towing so not too bad.
I don't think the 1.8 would work as well as a tow car.
However down a fast b road on my own I'd always pick the petrol. The chassis feels quite capable but it's ruined by the diesel in our car.
Harrison-91xcg said:
Depends on what you are going to use it for ?
We use ours as them holiday car (massive boot on these) and also the caravan tow car, thus the 2.2 is great for us.
I don't think the 1.8 would work as well for us.
However down a fast b road on my own I'd always pick the petrol. The chassis feels quite capable but it's ruined by the diesel in our car.
I was thinking if I got the diesel, remapping it to 200 bhpWe use ours as them holiday car (massive boot on these) and also the caravan tow car, thus the 2.2 is great for us.
I don't think the 1.8 would work as well for us.
However down a fast b road on my own I'd always pick the petrol. The chassis feels quite capable but it's ruined by the diesel in our car.
alexlane989 said:
AB57 said:
I'll be interested in people's opinions as well as I'm trying to decide whether to go for the 1.8 or the Type R.
The 1.8 is meant to be very good and from what I've read very efficient. The diesel would only make sense if you're doing a lot of miles.
is the diesel not also faster?The 1.8 is meant to be very good and from what I've read very efficient. The diesel would only make sense if you're doing a lot of miles.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 23 July 09:15
The diesel is know for eating clutches and ruining DMFs. Probably doesn't help that people can't drive Manuals correctly and ride the clutch.
Finally I'd say it depends on what type of power delivery you prefer. I've never owned a diesel and only driven one when I was learning. I much prefer the revvy nature of a petrol. It's smooth and linear and I know what to expect.
Harrison-91xcg said:
Depends on what you are going to use it for ?
We use ours as them holiday car (massive boot on these) and also the caravan tow car, thus the 2.2 is great for us. Economy is around 45mpg, 35 when towing so not too bad.
I don't think the 1.8 would work as well as a tow car.
However down a fast b road on my own I'd always pick the petrol. The chassis feels quite capable but it's ruined by the diesel in our car.
Well pointed out. Is it a family car Alex or something you'll just be driving? What sort of journeys are you doing?We use ours as them holiday car (massive boot on these) and also the caravan tow car, thus the 2.2 is great for us. Economy is around 45mpg, 35 when towing so not too bad.
I don't think the 1.8 would work as well as a tow car.
However down a fast b road on my own I'd always pick the petrol. The chassis feels quite capable but it's ruined by the diesel in our car.
alexlane989 said:
AB57 said:
I'll be interested in people's opinions as well as I'm trying to decide whether to go for the 1.8 or the Type R.
The 1.8 is meant to be very good and from what I've read very efficient. The diesel would only make sense if you're doing a lot of miles.
is the diesel not also faster?The 1.8 is meant to be very good and from what I've read very efficient. The diesel would only make sense if you're doing a lot of miles.
Edited by alexlane989 on Sunday 23 July 09:15
Had a 2x 2.2 diesels and an early one a late one and a facelift type r.
Diesel is a really good engine, faster on the move than the "140" you'd expect.
Real big slug of low down torque but spins up very freely too, runs out of puff early.
We had the clutch start to slip on one and got rid. As an everyday/ A road/ motorway car very very good and plenty quick enough across country.
The type r on the other hand wasn't as quick unless you were using the upper half of the rev range and is crashy with terrible road noise however it is a "proper drivers car" when you are on it and I loved mine.
Feels more special than the standard car but quite tiring if you aren't game to stir the gearbox and use the revs.
Can average 33mpg on a run, 29 mixed driving.
The 1.8 I've driven not owned, it's a sweet little engine that does like to rev, and is a good compromise between the 2.
I sold mine to get a 320d after my commute went up to 50miles a day, I do miss the type r but 90% of the time the 3 series is quicker and overall a much "better car" for eveday driving.
Drive them both, and they all sound like spcaeships, I'm not sure why.
Diesel is a really good engine, faster on the move than the "140" you'd expect.
Real big slug of low down torque but spins up very freely too, runs out of puff early.
We had the clutch start to slip on one and got rid. As an everyday/ A road/ motorway car very very good and plenty quick enough across country.
The type r on the other hand wasn't as quick unless you were using the upper half of the rev range and is crashy with terrible road noise however it is a "proper drivers car" when you are on it and I loved mine.
Feels more special than the standard car but quite tiring if you aren't game to stir the gearbox and use the revs.
Can average 33mpg on a run, 29 mixed driving.
The 1.8 I've driven not owned, it's a sweet little engine that does like to rev, and is a good compromise between the 2.
I sold mine to get a 320d after my commute went up to 50miles a day, I do miss the type r but 90% of the time the 3 series is quicker and overall a much "better car" for eveday driving.
Drive them both, and they all sound like spcaeships, I'm not sure why.
jackh707 said:
Had a 2x 2.2 diesels and an early one a late one and a facelift type r.
Diesel is a really good engine, faster on the move than the "140" you'd expect.
Real big slug of low down torque but spins up very freely too, runs out of puff early.
We had the clutch start to slip on one and got rid. As an everyday/ A road/ motorway car very very good and plenty quick enough across country.
The type r on the other hand wasn't as quick unless you were using the upper half of the rev range and is crashy with terrible road noise however it is a "proper drivers car" when you are on it and I loved mine.
Feels more special than the standard car but quite tiring if you aren't game to stir the gearbox and use the revs.
Can average 33mpg on a run, 29 mixed driving.
The 1.8 I've driven not owned, it's a sweet little engine that does like to rev, and is a good compromise between the 2.
I sold mine to get a 320d after my commute went up to 50miles a day, I do miss the type r but 90% of the time the 3 series is quicker and overall a much "better car" for eveday driving.
Drive them both, and they all sound like spcaeships, I'm not sure why.
Only 19 so could afford insurance on a type R, just thinking if when tuned I can get more power out of a diesel or petrolDiesel is a really good engine, faster on the move than the "140" you'd expect.
Real big slug of low down torque but spins up very freely too, runs out of puff early.
We had the clutch start to slip on one and got rid. As an everyday/ A road/ motorway car very very good and plenty quick enough across country.
The type r on the other hand wasn't as quick unless you were using the upper half of the rev range and is crashy with terrible road noise however it is a "proper drivers car" when you are on it and I loved mine.
Feels more special than the standard car but quite tiring if you aren't game to stir the gearbox and use the revs.
Can average 33mpg on a run, 29 mixed driving.
The 1.8 I've driven not owned, it's a sweet little engine that does like to rev, and is a good compromise between the 2.
I sold mine to get a 320d after my commute went up to 50miles a day, I do miss the type r but 90% of the time the 3 series is quicker and overall a much "better car" for eveday driving.
Drive them both, and they all sound like spcaeships, I'm not sure why.
Mr2Mike said:
alexlane989 said:
Depends what you're looking for and for me, it is about power
You're a straight line merchant then.Why have you even posted a thread, since it's clear you've already made up your mind?
alexlane989 said:
HustleRussell said:
Yes, you can get more power out of the diesel. The trade off is you end up driving a diesel which are no fun at all. Buy the petrol- it's not all about power.
Depends what you're looking for and for me, it is about powerI wouldn't use the 1.8 for towing. Diesel for that one.
But the petrol isn't bad. I've had mine for 7 years and 100k + miles and its only needed the usual servicing and MOTs. Thats it.
Its not a nice sounding engine and its got hardly any torque low down. But you can string it out and it will go down a road at a decent pace. On a long run, if you stick to 65 - 70 you can get some good economy as well. Best I ever saw was a genuine 50 MPG going up to Glasgow. And you will want to stay at that speed, because above that the engine noise starts to become intrusive. Today I drive mostly country roads and in town and it averages 35 MPG. If I switch to a week of going to work on the M1, that bumps to over 40.
Seats have no lumbar support.
Suspension is rock hard and bouncy. Its very stiff, even on the smallest wheels and it rides much better when there is weight over the back.
refinement isn't its strong point. The interior quality is naff, but it is well designed. Everything falls to hand, all the controls are nice. Gearbox is slick.
Stereo is weak-sauce (I think EX models had the option of a beefier stereo with a sub in the boot).
Pretty sure the diesels had chocolate clutches so not sure how it would deal with extra power. The clutch on my petrol version feels quite worn and has done for a while. It will often slip in first when its cold in winter. But as the engine has low torque, its not an issue really!
But the petrol isn't bad. I've had mine for 7 years and 100k + miles and its only needed the usual servicing and MOTs. Thats it.
Its not a nice sounding engine and its got hardly any torque low down. But you can string it out and it will go down a road at a decent pace. On a long run, if you stick to 65 - 70 you can get some good economy as well. Best I ever saw was a genuine 50 MPG going up to Glasgow. And you will want to stay at that speed, because above that the engine noise starts to become intrusive. Today I drive mostly country roads and in town and it averages 35 MPG. If I switch to a week of going to work on the M1, that bumps to over 40.
Seats have no lumbar support.
Suspension is rock hard and bouncy. Its very stiff, even on the smallest wheels and it rides much better when there is weight over the back.
refinement isn't its strong point. The interior quality is naff, but it is well designed. Everything falls to hand, all the controls are nice. Gearbox is slick.
Stereo is weak-sauce (I think EX models had the option of a beefier stereo with a sub in the boot).
Pretty sure the diesels had chocolate clutches so not sure how it would deal with extra power. The clutch on my petrol version feels quite worn and has done for a while. It will often slip in first when its cold in winter. But as the engine has low torque, its not an issue really!
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Sunday 23 July 11:16
If you want a diesel which can be fun remapped to provide a reliable 200-215bhp & hustled down a B road at a good lick then you're looking at the wrong car.
What you want is one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
This one has had the work done already:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
If you really want the Honda then the 2.2 is more tuneable be aware that you'll need to leave some money aside to buy a clutch at some point, when you do buy an uprated one & that won't be an issue again then just enjoy tuning & upgrading the car.
I've tuned both petrol & diesel cars they're different power delivery means you have to adjust your style of driving when pressing on but a mapped diesel will be quicker than the 1.8.
Another car worth seeking out if insurance is okay will be the Alpina D3 you won't need to modify it & you get a very sweet steer to boot.
D3
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
What you want is one of these:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
This one has had the work done already:
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
If you really want the Honda then the 2.2 is more tuneable be aware that you'll need to leave some money aside to buy a clutch at some point, when you do buy an uprated one & that won't be an issue again then just enjoy tuning & upgrading the car.
I've tuned both petrol & diesel cars they're different power delivery means you have to adjust your style of driving when pressing on but a mapped diesel will be quicker than the 1.8.
Another car worth seeking out if insurance is okay will be the Alpina D3 you won't need to modify it & you get a very sweet steer to boot.
D3
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...
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