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Dark85 said:
RobXjcoupe said:
It's basically a mondeo coupe.... but a v8 version
In what way? Mondeo coupe never appeared but a Euro mustang was eventually announced.
Don't get me wrong, it's been done well and it's price is relatively cheap for what you get.
But don't be fooled it's a totally unique car.
The management car park has a couple together with those vignale mondeo's and parked next to each other the bodysides are the same say a 2 door and 4 door bodystyle. The fronts look interchangeable but I can't confirm that.
Also remember the Ford puma. The mk5 fiesta coupe also the Cougar was the mondeo coupe way back when.
This time we get a proper euro v8 engined Ford
but it's only catch up with something gm have been doing for a while with its monaro An opinion on the safety rating here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vupJqnNyaE&t=...
Don't shout at me, I like them!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vupJqnNyaE&t=...
Don't shout at me, I like them!
RobXjcoupe said:
Original prototype was called the evos but it was to show the new mondeo face and possible coupe version.
Mondeo coupe never appeared but a Euro mustang was eventually announced.
Don't get me wrong, it's been done well and it's price is relatively cheap for what you get.
But don't be fooled it's a totally unique car.
The management car park has a couple together with those vignale mondeo's and parked next to each other the bodysides are the same say a 2 door and 4 door bodystyle. The fronts look interchangeable but I can't confirm that.
Also remember the Ford puma. The mk5 fiesta coupe also the Cougar was the mondeo coupe way back when.
This time we get a proper euro v8 engined Ford but it's only catch up with something gm have been doing for a while with its monaro
I actually believe you when you say you work in the auto industry as I do too, but it never ceases to amaze me how many utter ignoramuses there are in this business. Unless of course you are trolling, and in which case, crack on. Mondeo coupe never appeared but a Euro mustang was eventually announced.
Don't get me wrong, it's been done well and it's price is relatively cheap for what you get.
But don't be fooled it's a totally unique car.
The management car park has a couple together with those vignale mondeo's and parked next to each other the bodysides are the same say a 2 door and 4 door bodystyle. The fronts look interchangeable but I can't confirm that.
Also remember the Ford puma. The mk5 fiesta coupe also the Cougar was the mondeo coupe way back when.
This time we get a proper euro v8 engined Ford
but it's only catch up with something gm have been doing for a while with its monaro jamieduff1981 said:
I'm not sure on the last point. I think just being thoroughly bored of seeing the same German things which look almost indistinguishable from the base model 4-pot diesel models day in day out would be enough for many people.
So not necessarily pro-American muscle car, just anti-German tedium.
Thats ok - and TBH that was exactly our thinking - right up until we drove one. For perspective, we stepped out of a 3.7 litre RWD 370Z GT, so if it felt right we were definitely buying one.So not necessarily pro-American muscle car, just anti-German tedium.
Handling of the standard car leaves a lot to be desired. Yes its amusing feeling the twitchiness in the rear end as you pass people on a sunny afternoon. In the winter on a wet greasy road on the commute to work - probably not so much.
Interior trim is definitely a step down from say, German stuff, but its fine. It wouldnt have been a show stopper.
It felt big on the outside, and relatively small on the inside. Again, if thats your thing, great.
Probably a great long distance cruiser. Our runs are relatively short commutes (15 miles each way) in typical rush hour traffic plus a few miles of a cross country blast over to our home. Likewise at the weekend we're more likely to buzz about cross country.
As someone has said, if you'd be happy to spend another £5K making it "right", then it would be a great car - but it would still be big on our roads (especially A and B roads).
It did that you'd be making a lifestyle choice buying one. It just didnt seem right for our lifestyle.
Again - not saying people who buy one are "wrong" - i'm sure it suits their lifestyles perfectly. It just wasnt for us - and the O/P did ask for feedback on the car...
A friend of ours drives them. When i say drives them, hes had 3 or 4 mustangs over the last 20 years and also has some sort of American Ford 4x4 for the dump runs, etc. Loves his. Thats his thing. Its just not for me though.
Bennet said:
The biggest downside in my opinion is that, whilst in the abstract, they look fantastic, I don't think they look right in the UK.
There will be times and places where it looks excellent, maybe parked on a gravel driveway outside a posh house, or in the picture above for instance. But more often it will look a bit out of place, a bit "born in the USA", a bit "I'm living out my cowboy fantasy". The car equivalent of a Harley Davidson.
My money would go on a 370Z. Looks great without being out of keeping with everything else that's going on.
Some things look weird out of context. It looks awesome to wear shades and a leather trench coat in The Matrix, but if you actually dress like that and walk down the street, you'll look like an idiot.
Thats kind of how we felt about it after we drove one. There will be times and places where it looks excellent, maybe parked on a gravel driveway outside a posh house, or in the picture above for instance. But more often it will look a bit out of place, a bit "born in the USA", a bit "I'm living out my cowboy fantasy". The car equivalent of a Harley Davidson.
My money would go on a 370Z. Looks great without being out of keeping with everything else that's going on.
Some things look weird out of context. It looks awesome to wear shades and a leather trench coat in The Matrix, but if you actually dress like that and walk down the street, you'll look like an idiot.
We had a 370Z previously, and TBH if we'd wanted a RWD coupe at that sort of money we'd have spent a little extra and got a Cayman.
Ultimately though, on this occasion the A45 AMG tickled us, so we went with that.
daemon said:
We had a 370Z previously, and TBH if we'd wanted a RWD coupe at that sort of money we'd have spent a little extra and got a Cayman.
I've been driving American cars in UK for 20 years but have never owned a Mustang.If I was in the market for a 2+2 coupe right now then Mustang deserves a long, hard look. This generation is the most suitable yet for Europe by a long chalk - not least because it's the first generation of Mustang to be specifically designed as a "world car". Modest overall size combined with RHD make this the best US car for UK in a long time. Chrysler 300 and various Cadillacs never quite got the balance right.
Yes, it does look a lot like a Mondeo Coupe and you need to be comfortable with that to buy one. Yes, underneath it's on its own RWD platform with high tech oily bits and independent rear suspension. The line lock facility for stationary burnouts seems a little unnecessary to me...
I don't think Mustang is trying to compete with Cayman or other sports cars. It's much more closely related to cars like BMW 4-series or the mid-sized Audi and Merc coupes and at a significantly lower price for combined spec/performance.
Conservative UK buyers are far more likely to buy the default Germans, albeit getting a lot less grunt for their money.
rockin said:
I've been driving American cars in UK for 20 years but have never owned a Mustang.
If I was in the market for a 2+2 coupe right now then Mustang deserves a long, hard look. This generation is the most suitable yet for Europe by a long chalk - not least because it's the first generation of Mustang to be specifically designed as a "world car". Modest overall size combined with RHD make this the best US car for UK in a long time. Chrysler 300 and various Cadillacs never quite got the balance right.
Yes, it does look a lot like a Mondeo Coupe and you need to be comfortable with that to buy one. Yes, underneath it's on its own RWD platform with high tech oily bits and independent rear suspension. The line lock facility for stationary burnouts seems a little unnecessary to me...
I don't think Mustang is trying to compete with Cayman or other sports cars. It's much more closely related to cars like BMW 4-series or the mid-sized Audi and Merc coupes and at a significantly lower price for combined spec/performance.
Conservative UK buyers are far more likely to buy the default Germans, albeit getting a lot less grunt for their money.
Saying that 'line lock' is unnecessary and that it looks like a Mondeo Coupe...think the Mustang isn't meant for you lol. The line locks principal idea is to heat the tires easily and quickly before drag racing and never thought mine looked like a Mondeo.If I was in the market for a 2+2 coupe right now then Mustang deserves a long, hard look. This generation is the most suitable yet for Europe by a long chalk - not least because it's the first generation of Mustang to be specifically designed as a "world car". Modest overall size combined with RHD make this the best US car for UK in a long time. Chrysler 300 and various Cadillacs never quite got the balance right.
Yes, it does look a lot like a Mondeo Coupe and you need to be comfortable with that to buy one. Yes, underneath it's on its own RWD platform with high tech oily bits and independent rear suspension. The line lock facility for stationary burnouts seems a little unnecessary to me...
I don't think Mustang is trying to compete with Cayman or other sports cars. It's much more closely related to cars like BMW 4-series or the mid-sized Audi and Merc coupes and at a significantly lower price for combined spec/performance.
Conservative UK buyers are far more likely to buy the default Germans, albeit getting a lot less grunt for their money.
kapiteinlangzaam said:
The std. Mustang is a blank canvas, and always has been sold as thus. Ford even have their own (rather expansive) in-house tuning company 'Ford Racing'.
The concept of buying a 38k car and immediately removing/adding parts is somewhat less well received in the EU/UK, but non-the-less, thats the idea of the 'stang. Thats not to say its not a great car in std. form, but you have to appreciate that its very much a base to build on. Ford have also not done enough in the UK /EU market to promote and sell the modifying theme either, although I understand some dealers in the UK are now getting onboard and will become Roush stockists.
They can be made to handle, they can be made to cruise, they can be made to go very, very quick. Or you can just concentrate on the visuals. The costs arent outrageous either. The aftermarket is almost mind-bogglingly large.
The sound can be fixed rather easily, which im sure anyone with a half a PH brain already realises.
Mine has a large intake, engine tuning, custom valved exhaust, is lowered with wheels pushed out, several trick bits to firm up the chassis, and then lots of visual mods. Installing a short-throw shifter with some additional PU gearbox mounts tightened up the shift to the point of it being like a rifle-bolt.
Buy one for 38k and budget another 5k to make it in to precisely what you want and I cant see anybody being disappointed. All of its competition is either 10-20k more expensive, or if looking at the same price-point, a good 100-200bhp behind the GT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1Eub3WlRx0
Quality is also fine IMO, its just the dealers still arent really up to speed on what to do with them.... therefore even minor problems can become a bit of a drama. The only real issue ive had with mine over 13m and 20k+ miles is the aircon, which seems to have been fixed quite easily, but it took the dealer 3 attempts to get there.
more photos required!! looks lovely, subtle but aggressive, the perfect mix!The concept of buying a 38k car and immediately removing/adding parts is somewhat less well received in the EU/UK, but non-the-less, thats the idea of the 'stang. Thats not to say its not a great car in std. form, but you have to appreciate that its very much a base to build on. Ford have also not done enough in the UK /EU market to promote and sell the modifying theme either, although I understand some dealers in the UK are now getting onboard and will become Roush stockists.
They can be made to handle, they can be made to cruise, they can be made to go very, very quick. Or you can just concentrate on the visuals. The costs arent outrageous either. The aftermarket is almost mind-bogglingly large.
The sound can be fixed rather easily, which im sure anyone with a half a PH brain already realises.
Mine has a large intake, engine tuning, custom valved exhaust, is lowered with wheels pushed out, several trick bits to firm up the chassis, and then lots of visual mods. Installing a short-throw shifter with some additional PU gearbox mounts tightened up the shift to the point of it being like a rifle-bolt.
Buy one for 38k and budget another 5k to make it in to precisely what you want and I cant see anybody being disappointed. All of its competition is either 10-20k more expensive, or if looking at the same price-point, a good 100-200bhp behind the GT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1Eub3WlRx0
Quality is also fine IMO, its just the dealers still arent really up to speed on what to do with them.... therefore even minor problems can become a bit of a drama. The only real issue ive had with mine over 13m and 20k+ miles is the aircon, which seems to have been fixed quite easily, but it took the dealer 3 attempts to get there.
rockin said:
daemon said:
We had a 370Z previously, and TBH if we'd wanted a RWD coupe at that sort of money we'd have spent a little extra and got a Cayman.
I've been driving American cars in UK for 20 years but have never owned a Mustang.If I was in the market for a 2+2 coupe right now then Mustang deserves a long, hard look. This generation is the most suitable yet for Europe by a long chalk - not least because it's the first generation of Mustang to be specifically designed as a "world car". Modest overall size combined with RHD make this the best US car for UK in a long time. Chrysler 300 and various Cadillacs never quite got the balance right.
Yes, it does look a lot like a Mondeo Coupe and you need to be comfortable with that to buy one. Yes, underneath it's on its own RWD platform with high tech oily bits and independent rear suspension. The line lock facility for stationary burnouts seems a little unnecessary to me...
I don't think Mustang is trying to compete with Cayman or other sports cars. It's much more closely related to cars like BMW 4-series or the mid-sized Audi and Merc coupes and at a significantly lower price for combined spec/performance.
Conservative UK buyers are far more likely to buy the default Germans, albeit getting a lot less grunt for their money.
And yes, agreed, Ford arent trying to compete with a Cayman or even a 370Z. Its an American muscle car. Whilst its easy to "think" you'd want one, we found it wasnt actually what we wanted when we drove one.
I think really what i mean is that "on paper" it holds appeal, but you really have to want a big American coupe and ultimately we didnt.
unpc said:
RobXjcoupe said:
Original prototype was called the evos but it was to show the new mondeo face and possible coupe version.
Mondeo coupe never appeared but a Euro mustang was eventually announced.
Don't get me wrong, it's been done well and it's price is relatively cheap for what you get.
But don't be fooled it's a totally unique car.
The management car park has a couple together with those vignale mondeo's and parked next to each other the bodysides are the same say a 2 door and 4 door bodystyle. The fronts look interchangeable but I can't confirm that.
Also remember the Ford puma. The mk5 fiesta coupe also the Cougar was the mondeo coupe way back when.
This time we get a proper euro v8 engined Ford but it's only catch up with something gm have been doing for a while with its monaro
I actually believe you when you say you work in the auto industry as I do too, but it never ceases to amaze me how many utter ignoramuses there are in this business. Unless of course you are trolling, and in which case, crack on. Mondeo coupe never appeared but a Euro mustang was eventually announced.
Don't get me wrong, it's been done well and it's price is relatively cheap for what you get.
But don't be fooled it's a totally unique car.
The management car park has a couple together with those vignale mondeo's and parked next to each other the bodysides are the same say a 2 door and 4 door bodystyle. The fronts look interchangeable but I can't confirm that.
Also remember the Ford puma. The mk5 fiesta coupe also the Cougar was the mondeo coupe way back when.
This time we get a proper euro v8 engined Ford
but it's only catch up with something gm have been doing for a while with its monaro Maybe you should just read things rather than try to be smart lol
If it were me I'd definitely take a closer look at crash data from NCAP and the like. I'm not familiar with why it only scores 2* but it makes me think that corner cutting is the very reason why this car is such a bargain.
Having seen a number of videos on YouTube featuring Mustangs, it seems that if you use the accelerator pedal your car will crash spectacularly into a crowd of people. Why is this? Too much power with a chassis that is just unable to cope? I suppose that's always been the way with American muscle cars.
Not a great combination and is why I'd be looking elsewhere!
Having seen a number of videos on YouTube featuring Mustangs, it seems that if you use the accelerator pedal your car will crash spectacularly into a crowd of people. Why is this? Too much power with a chassis that is just unable to cope? I suppose that's always been the way with American muscle cars.
Not a great combination and is why I'd be looking elsewhere!
Edited by Username... on Monday 24th July 18:02
Here it is
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/mustang/2...
Comments are:
The passenger compartment of the Mustang remained stable in the frontal offset test. Dummy readings indicated good protection of the knees and femurs of the driver and passenger dummies. Analysis of the dummy data showed that the driver's head had 'bottomed out' the airbag i.e. there was insufficient pressure in the airbag to prevent the head from contacting the steering wheel through the deflated airbag material. The head of the passenger dummy also bottomed out the airbag against the dashboard, owing to insufficient inflation of the airbag and inadequate restraint for larger statures by the front passenger seatbelt load-limiter. The scores of both the driver and passenger were penalised for the airbag performance. In the full-width rigid barrier test, protection of the driver was good apart from the chest, protection of which was adequate. However, the rear seat passenger slipped under the lap portion of the seatbelt (a phenomenon known as 'submarining') and the score for the knee, femur and pelvis body region was penalised and protection was rated as poor. Protection of the chest was also rated as poor as the rear seatbelt (which has neither pre-tensioners nor load-limiters) showed an excessively high tensile force in the test. Dummy readings of head deceleration indicated weak protection of the head for the rear passenger. In the side barrier test, the Mustang scored full points with good protection of all critical body areas. Even in the more severe side pole test, protection of the chest was adequate and that of other body regions was good. Tests on the front seats and head restraints demonstrated a marginal level of protection against whiplash injury in the event of a rear-end collision. A geometric assessment of rear seats indicated poor whiplash protection in these seating positions. The current Mustang is not equipped with an autonomous emergency braking (AEB) system, which would have provided greater whiplash protection. However, Ford have indicated that the next version of the Mustang will have AEB.
https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/mustang/2...
Comments are:
The passenger compartment of the Mustang remained stable in the frontal offset test. Dummy readings indicated good protection of the knees and femurs of the driver and passenger dummies. Analysis of the dummy data showed that the driver's head had 'bottomed out' the airbag i.e. there was insufficient pressure in the airbag to prevent the head from contacting the steering wheel through the deflated airbag material. The head of the passenger dummy also bottomed out the airbag against the dashboard, owing to insufficient inflation of the airbag and inadequate restraint for larger statures by the front passenger seatbelt load-limiter. The scores of both the driver and passenger were penalised for the airbag performance. In the full-width rigid barrier test, protection of the driver was good apart from the chest, protection of which was adequate. However, the rear seat passenger slipped under the lap portion of the seatbelt (a phenomenon known as 'submarining') and the score for the knee, femur and pelvis body region was penalised and protection was rated as poor. Protection of the chest was also rated as poor as the rear seatbelt (which has neither pre-tensioners nor load-limiters) showed an excessively high tensile force in the test. Dummy readings of head deceleration indicated weak protection of the head for the rear passenger. In the side barrier test, the Mustang scored full points with good protection of all critical body areas. Even in the more severe side pole test, protection of the chest was adequate and that of other body regions was good. Tests on the front seats and head restraints demonstrated a marginal level of protection against whiplash injury in the event of a rear-end collision. A geometric assessment of rear seats indicated poor whiplash protection in these seating positions. The current Mustang is not equipped with an autonomous emergency braking (AEB) system, which would have provided greater whiplash protection. However, Ford have indicated that the next version of the Mustang will have AEB.
Nanook said:
RobXjcoupe said:
I just work for Ford and seen how it all goes together over many years. I'm obviously making it all up lol
Another excellent make over was when we did the jag xj40 to x300. But again I know nothing and I'm just making it all up.
You're clearly making it all up.Another excellent make over was when we did the jag xj40 to x300. But again I know nothing and I'm just making it all up.
The alternative would be that you do actually work for Ford, and genuinely think you're correct about what you're saying here, which is bonkers!
A Mondeo Coupe. Apart from the engine, gearbox, chassis, floorpan, front suspension, rear suspension etc.
Mondeo is a good car. People get hung up that their more upmarket vehicles are based on a perceived inferior product.
Good engineering goes beyond a badge and name but marketing plays an obvious huge part to create niche products.
I honestly thought people on here would be more interested.
The original Mustang was a rebodied Falcon, and was a pony car in an era that defined muscle cars. THe Mustang 2 was a rebodied Pinto, and about as far from a a muscle car as was possible to be. The Boss 302 was a just about muscle car, as was the Shelby 350, but real muscle cars had much bigger engines. The stang could always be bought with small, and slow motors, but icons like the Charger had engine ranges from the 318 to the Hemi 4BBL
440, and it is that upper range of motors that defined the muscle car.
440, and it is that upper range of motors that defined the muscle car.
RobXjcoupe said:
Don't you remember people saying a Jag x-type was just a mondeo?
Mondeo is a good car. People get hung up that their more upmarket vehicles are based on a perceived inferior product.
Good engineering goes beyond a badge and name but marketing plays an obvious huge part to create niche products.
I honestly thought people on here would be more interested.
Yes, but the X-Type shared basic size, suspension design and layout with the Mondeo (technically the Mondeo Estate). Mondeo is a good car. People get hung up that their more upmarket vehicles are based on a perceived inferior product.
Good engineering goes beyond a badge and name but marketing plays an obvious huge part to create niche products.
I honestly thought people on here would be more interested.
It is not about getting hung up it is the fact that you are comparing two cars with different layouts, suspension designs, basic body dimensions etc. People would be interested but you need to explain how and why the Mustang is "a Mondeo coupe". Obviously they share current Ford generic design cues and no doubt share basic building blocks like HVAC systems but on the basis you may as well say an Audi R8 is a Polo coupe.
In what way is the fundamental platform a Mondeo coupe?
I'd be tempted by a slightly used one in RHD but it would need a 2.9L Whipple 
Anyone know why this one is only £140/year tax ?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Anyone know why this one is only £140/year tax ?
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 24th July 18:56
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