No ICE from 2040?!?

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meehaja

Original Poster:

607 posts

107 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/25/b...

Ok so its the guardian, and it all seems a bit short on detail, but the sign of the beginning of the end?

chappardababbar

409 posts

142 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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It's inevitable.

i wonder if the next progression will be banning the use of ICE altogether? little while to go though

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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It was always going to happen.

Good news for anyone who has a collection of any nice sports or supercars in 23 years time, as they won't be making any more of them so you could pretty much ask what you want for them....

cuprabob

14,421 posts

213 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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No In Car Entertainment, now that's taking it too far.

meehaja

Original Poster:

607 posts

107 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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maybe my dream of restoring a nice classic should be re-planned to putting the drive train of a nissan leaf in a nice classic!

scenario8

6,554 posts

178 months

Charlie Hoskins

310 posts

82 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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"The strategy comes amid warnings that the UK’s high level of air pollution could be be responsible for 40,000 premature deaths a year."
"Could be".
Not the same as "is". Is it ?
So........ the motive is the health and well-being of the nation then ?
Prove it.
Ban smoking.
Now.

NDA

21,490 posts

224 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Charlie Hoskins said:
Ban smoking.
Now.
And cows.
And volcanoes.
And Algae.
And China.

Far bigger polluters than a few Vauxhalls in Britain.

Huff

3,141 posts

190 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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It's a marker, an aspiration; nothing more behind it I'm sure. And that said, that only-aspirational deadline could move a decade or more either way depending on technology and take-up. And why shouldn't such a transition take place..? Put a timetable to it, and we can have a sensible discussion about the societal effects and the changes required/to be embraced. Essential, IMO: expectation & need for personal travel, expectations of travel/personal freedoms/rights/obligations overdue a thorough examination and reflection. So many ways in which a car is currently considered an 'essential' that simply doesn't have to be, for so many. And much of the answer there of course is actually 'infrastructure investment...' Let's have that intrinsic discussion as-part-of, in the open, in public. a nominal deadline like this gives us decades to refine our expectations and priorities as a society.

[and I say that as one who loves the freedom of a day out to drive.]




Oh, and even taken at face value, that deadline is c.25yrears away: effectively: most of those railing here against today wont be fit to operate a remote control by then I'm sure wink

PS have added reminder to calendar to place order for the V16 supercharged Aston in time for retirement. And ragging it around giving the Vs to Lentilists stuck on their solarcycles.

Edited by Huff on Tuesday 25th July 23:23

04helipilot

396 posts

150 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Only electric cars, Thats shocking !

Charlie Hoskins

310 posts

82 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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04helipilot said:
Only electric cars, Thats shocking !
No need to get so wired about it, resistance is futile. Try sitting on the floor and chanting 'Ohm....'

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Tuesday 25th July 2017
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Charlie Hoskins said:
04helipilot said:
Only electric cars, Thats shocking !
No need to get so wired about it, resistance is futile. Try sitting on the floor and chanting 'Ohm....'
Watt?

sonnenschein3000

710 posts

89 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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This does seem the start of the end.

I don't suppose any future high performance car will be worth having, they'd all basically be teslas. Very quick yes but I'd imagine it would be a strange, dry experience in total silence.

Klippie

3,099 posts

144 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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The article mentioning 40'000 deaths a year from air pollution (cars, diesels etc) was proven to be utter bullst, I wish I could remember where I saw a prominent university professor of aniliticle data showing how these figures are manipulated to push certain groups agendas, these groups have the ear of influential politicians who are in a position to make laws.

It's a fking disgrace these people are allowed to make policy that will cost the motorist billions of pounds and are not answerable for the consequences it causes.


anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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Klippie said:
The article mentioning 40'000 deaths a year from air pollution (cars, diesels etc) was proven to be utter bullst,
its not really bullst, the initial report had a complex methodology that people have extrapolated the figures to a wider audience to come up with a figure. But air pollution is a complex matter to actual study the effects of death.
it is also complicated as tit takes into account life reductions in projected ages etc which can become bogged down in details.

The things that can be shown by air pollution are increases in the stunting of children’s lung growth,dementia in the elderly,heart disease, asthma and eye irritation, there are plenty of evidence to consider.

it would be moronic to argue is has no effect in deaths, a true figure would be hard to quantify, but realistically more than 20k people prematurely die a year based on all available studies. People actually affected in some way by air pollution would run into the 100k or even millions.


Edited by The Spruce goose on Wednesday 26th July 01:52

Zonergem

1,368 posts

91 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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It's only a ban on sales of new ones, and it's so far away as to be meaningless for the here and now.

However it does mean that the infrastructure for selling petrol and diesel will shrink, so expect fuel to become harder to get and much more expensive.

stuckmojo

2,955 posts

187 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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This is not surprising. As a petrolhead, I am not too worried about this. I expect that we'll still be able to drive classics for pleasure and get shuffled around by autonomous electric vehicles fairly soon.


jeremyh1

1,348 posts

126 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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Most of you on here would have grown up by then . Some of you are even going to college nexr year
So when 2040 comes you will have more pressing priorities Some of you will even be able to drive safely with out blaming everybody else for your poor road craft

Truckosaurus

11,183 posts

283 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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I suspect that technology and 'The Market' will have made mainstream manufacturers stop selling ICE cars by then anyway.

If the Government wanted everyone to stop driving ICE cars all they have to do is mandate the installation of free electricity charging points in every space in all supermarket and out-of-town retail centre carparks, no need to ban anything.

mclwanB

600 posts

244 months

Wednesday 26th July 2017
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Petrol and diesel, not ice.

I see a market for converting petrol to hydrogen for the high value ones. BMW was doing it in the 90s, suspect they might even have sorted the storage out by then