No ICE from 2040?!?
Discussion
The Spruce goose said:
Klippie said:
The article mentioning 40'000 deaths a year from air pollution (cars, diesels etc) was proven to be utter bullst,
its not really bullst, the initial report had a complex methodology that people have extrapolated the figures to a wider audience to come up with a figure. But air pollution is a complex matter to actual study the effects of death.it is also complicated as tit takes into account life reductions in projected ages etc which can become bogged down in details.
The things that can be shown by air pollution are increases in the stunting of children’s lung growth,dementia in the elderly,heart disease, asthma and eye irritation, there are plenty of evidence to consider.
it would be moronic to argue is has no effect in deaths, a true figure would be hard to quantify, but realistically more than 20k people prematurely die a year based on all available studies. People actually affected in some way by air pollution would run into the 100k or even millions.
Edited by The Spruce goose on Wednesday 26th July 01:52
Encourage smoking and promote diesel !
jeremyh1 said:
Most of you on here would have grown up by then . Some of you are even going to college nexr year
So when 2040 comes you will have more pressing priorities Some of you will even be able to drive safely with out blaming everybody else for your poor road craft
Again, in English?So when 2040 comes you will have more pressing priorities Some of you will even be able to drive safely with out blaming everybody else for your poor road craft
I think this was always an inevitability. Hopefully development in electric cars will improve as currently there just isn't the infrastructure to support majority usage. There are also implications for anyone who would be unable to charge one at home (people living in flats for example).
If the issues surrounding charge points and range can be sorted I don't have much of a problem with it. It's 23 years off so plenty of time to sort the teething problems.
If the issues surrounding charge points and range can be sorted I don't have much of a problem with it. It's 23 years off so plenty of time to sort the teething problems.
Zonergem said:
It's only a ban on sales of new ones, and it's so far away as to be meaningless for the here and now.
However it does mean that the infrastructure for selling petrol and diesel will shrink, so expect fuel to become harder to get and much more expensive.
It'll leave more petrol for enthusiasts cars. I can see an electric car for a daily and keeping an old hobby car. However it does mean that the infrastructure for selling petrol and diesel will shrink, so expect fuel to become harder to get and much more expensive.
PositronicRay said:
It'll leave more petrol for enthusiasts cars. I can see an electric car for a daily and keeping an old hobby car.
I think your 100% Ray Most people wont even want cars as we know them now . It is happening already your average person purchasing a new car does not worry about what we concern ourselves with
While this is a busy site it does not represent your average car buyer Younger people do not care about cars the same way as previous generations did . The ones at school now will have the electric cars and wont want anything else
Us old timers will be fine tuning RS Porches lotus and what ever make you love now
and everyone in town will be laughing at us !
Remember how quickly turbo diesels became so popular ? I think once people cotton on to EV car, when it becomes so compelling they can't ignore them, then IC engined cars will get dropped very quickly, its early days yet but a lot can happen in 22 and a bit years.
22 years ago was 1995, pretty much when diesel was taking off, the Mondeo was still quite new, it's a long time ago, a lot has happened so I can't see this being that much of an issue, diesel will have died out except for haulage and that kind of stuff, petrols will be hybrids or range extenders, but the vast majority of personal transport will be electric.
22 years ago was 1995, pretty much when diesel was taking off, the Mondeo was still quite new, it's a long time ago, a lot has happened so I can't see this being that much of an issue, diesel will have died out except for haulage and that kind of stuff, petrols will be hybrids or range extenders, but the vast majority of personal transport will be electric.
iphonedyou said:
jeremyh1 said:
Most of you on here would have grown up by then . Some of you are even going to college nexr year
So when 2040 comes you will have more pressing priorities Some of you will even be able to drive safely with out blaming everybody else for your poor road craft
Again, in English?So when 2040 comes you will have more pressing priorities Some of you will even be able to drive safely with out blaming everybody else for your poor road craft
I have thought carefully about this and read and listened to many interviews on the subject
They say about the effect on the environment and the health people We hope they are telling the truth and we have to trust that this ill health is caused by combustion engine fumes
Much of these changes if not all have been driven by the EU . It is well known that the EU despise the power the big oil barons have over the world economy .
I will guess that this is the perfect storm for the EU something they could only dream of as this is the one thing that will kick the big oil companies into touch
They say about the effect on the environment and the health people We hope they are telling the truth and we have to trust that this ill health is caused by combustion engine fumes
Much of these changes if not all have been driven by the EU . It is well known that the EU despise the power the big oil barons have over the world economy .
I will guess that this is the perfect storm for the EU something they could only dream of as this is the one thing that will kick the big oil companies into touch
its a moot point anyway, by then we will have self driving uber type services, so most people give a crap what powers the car as long as it arrives on time, and gets you to where you are going.
People like us will have a petrol car in a garage we wheel out at weekends and drive comparatively slowly in a cloud of our own pollution and noise
People like us will have a petrol car in a garage we wheel out at weekends and drive comparatively slowly in a cloud of our own pollution and noise
You'll struggle to find a new diesel or petrol car to by then anyway apart from you specialist producers/kit cars etc
Horses are now enjoyed for racing, hobbies and generally a luxury the well off can enjoy. We will really love firing up our 2.0tdi for a run on a Sunday morning?
Classic cars that were supposedly going to have the world end when 4star was withdrawn and when everyone thought the price of fuel was going to be £2.00 a litre. The well off will enjoy the V8s and straight6s for the same number of miles a year that people currently drive their 1960s classics today.
I drive an EV everyday for the last 2.5 years and it doesn't excite me, it just saves me money every mile, very relaxing for the boring drive to work. My other car/bike will provide the entertainment!
Horses are now enjoyed for racing, hobbies and generally a luxury the well off can enjoy. We will really love firing up our 2.0tdi for a run on a Sunday morning?
Classic cars that were supposedly going to have the world end when 4star was withdrawn and when everyone thought the price of fuel was going to be £2.00 a litre. The well off will enjoy the V8s and straight6s for the same number of miles a year that people currently drive their 1960s classics today.
I drive an EV everyday for the last 2.5 years and it doesn't excite me, it just saves me money every mile, very relaxing for the boring drive to work. My other car/bike will provide the entertainment!
People will still find ways to have fun with electric cars. It won't be long until there is a generation who have never driven an ICE car so they won't know or care about what they're missing.
There are people who have diesel track cars now for pity's sake. If you can have fun with a diesel I'm sure you can do so with electric too.
There are people who have diesel track cars now for pity's sake. If you can have fun with a diesel I'm sure you can do so with electric too.
It is better all round if polluting IC engined cars go, just because a small band of car enthusiasts grew up with and have an affinity for them doesnt mean they should stay, much as we love them they are dirty, smelly, noisy and inefficient compared to an electric motor, if we had never experienced them, we wouldnt be hankering for them, what you have never had, you dont miss.
What it is really about is moving people and stuff as cleanly, safely, efficiently and quietly as possible, whether it goes "BWAHHHH" or something is kind of immaterial, all the feedback, noise and stuff is largely immaterial, another twenty years and it will mostly be EV's, what IC engined stuff there is will be for specific purposes and probably be able to drive itself, kids being born now will probably never drive an IC vehicle, maybe never even drive themselves.
A lot will say this is bad, but before say 1920, most people never drove a car, 40 years before that, nobody had, not a single person had driven a car and they were quite happy with that face as they hadnt a clue what it was, maybe they had an idea that they would like a better way to travel long distances than walking or something that involves a tonne of tetchy long faced kick beast.
Another 150 or so years, the bulk of the folk that ever drove a car will be dead, consigned to history along with their memories and love for V8's etc, but those alive (assuming Trump doesnt cause WW3 and wipe us out) will still need to get around, and it will be electric and autonomous.
What it is really about is moving people and stuff as cleanly, safely, efficiently and quietly as possible, whether it goes "BWAHHHH" or something is kind of immaterial, all the feedback, noise and stuff is largely immaterial, another twenty years and it will mostly be EV's, what IC engined stuff there is will be for specific purposes and probably be able to drive itself, kids being born now will probably never drive an IC vehicle, maybe never even drive themselves.
A lot will say this is bad, but before say 1920, most people never drove a car, 40 years before that, nobody had, not a single person had driven a car and they were quite happy with that face as they hadnt a clue what it was, maybe they had an idea that they would like a better way to travel long distances than walking or something that involves a tonne of tetchy long faced kick beast.
Another 150 or so years, the bulk of the folk that ever drove a car will be dead, consigned to history along with their memories and love for V8's etc, but those alive (assuming Trump doesnt cause WW3 and wipe us out) will still need to get around, and it will be electric and autonomous.
J4CKO said:
Remember how quickly turbo diesels became so popular ? I think once people cotton on to EV car, when it becomes so compelling they can't ignore them, then IC engined cars will get dropped very quickly, its early days yet but a lot can happen in 22 and a bit years.
22 years ago was 1995, pretty much when diesel was taking off, the Mondeo was still quite new, it's a long time ago, a lot has happened so I can't see this being that much of an issue, diesel will have died out except for haulage and that kind of stuff, petrols will be hybrids or range extenders, but the vast majority of personal transport will be electric.
Pretty much this.22 years ago was 1995, pretty much when diesel was taking off, the Mondeo was still quite new, it's a long time ago, a lot has happened so I can't see this being that much of an issue, diesel will have died out except for haulage and that kind of stuff, petrols will be hybrids or range extenders, but the vast majority of personal transport will be electric.
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