RE: Mercedes to quit DTM...

[Centurion07]

If you're even slightly on the fence about Formula E I suggest you don't go anywhere near the Silverstone Classic, as I did yesterday. That will REALLY ram home the nightmarish direction we're heading in...

[Welshbeef]

Centurion07 said:

If you're even slightly on the fence about Formula E I suggest you don't go anywhere near the Silverstone Classic, as I did yesterday. That will REALLY ram home the nightmarish direction we're heading in...

Can you expand on this comment?
2 other OH have posted up about how dire it was yesterday.

Hardly any races
No pre war
No fly over
No pub instead it's a couple of festival wagons.
No manufacturers only clubs
The endless massive on track one lap to celebrate 1 type of vehicle to waste an hour.
Huge price to entry
Huge price for food and drinks

[Welshbeef]

First Audi leave Le Mans Series
Then bently leave Le Mans series
Then Porsche splash and dash in Le Mans now leaving
Then Merc leave DTM


Why do manufacturers think Formulae E is the way to go?
One electric motor is no different to another do they not comprehend their point of difference might now come down to styling alone...

[SpeckledJim]

Welshbeef said:

Why do manufacturers think Formulae E is the way to go?
One electric motor is no different to another do they not comprehend their point of difference might now come down to styling alone...

because they are all desperate to establish some credibility in making electric cars.

[Welshbeef]

SpeckledJim said:

because they are all desperate to establish some credibility in making electric cars.

But frankly we should see Miele Siemens Daikin etc who have been making electric motors for decades.

[Kawasicki]

babatunde said:

Yipper said:

The golden era of motor racing is definitely over.

F1 = rubbish.
FE = rubbish.
WRC = rubbish.
WEC = rubbish.
BTC = rubbish.
DTM = rubbish.
IoM TT = last man standing.

If you have kids, take them to the IoM TT next year. It is the last chance they will ever get to see proper mental racing. The future of racing is glorified milkfloats humming round in tedious circles.

Moto GP is still up there IMO

yep, motorcycle racing is still great

Nurburgring racing that includes the old track is still also heroic

[MG CHRIS]

Welshbeef said:

First Audi leave Le Mans Series
Then bently leave Le Mans series
Then Porsche splash and dash in Le Mans now leaving
Then Merc leave DTM


Why do manufacturers think Formulae E is the way to go?
One electric motor is no different to another do they not comprehend their point of difference might now come down to styling alone...

Bentley left end of 2003?.

The electric drivetrain is completely different to each other in formula e there are several different manufacture built drivetrain all built to harness energy differently. They may look all the same but under the skin they have different application of designs. Also the race atcanada this weekend was actually pretty good. Yes the noise lets it done but apart from adding speakers to them not much else you going to do with it.

Ice cars are on the way out electric/fuel cells will start to increase in the next 20 years why shouldn't manufactures go to where the trend is.

[MG CHRIS]

Yipper said:

The golden era of motor racing is definitely over.

F1 = rubbish.
FE = rubbish.
WRC = rubbish.
WEC = rubbish.
BTC = rubbish.
DTM = rubbish.
IoM TT = last man standing.

If you have kids, take them to the IoM TT next year. It is the last chance they will ever get to see proper mental racing. The future of racing is glorified milkfloats humming round in tedious circles.

You don't half spout some crap. Btcc is at its healthiest and most competitive for years. Wrc is enjoying a revival with 4 manufacture and a completely open championship fight, cars are also quickest they have ever been. Wec yes audi and Porsche leaving has put a big dent in the series but considering its only been going for a few years as a championship.

Formula e is getting better I'm sure once development continues the car swapping wont be needed and tracks hopefully will improve all though the Canada track this weekend is pretty good for racing. Dtm agree but f1 is at least got a fight between 2 teams.

Take of your rose tinted specs and you see racing is extremely healthy right now look at gt3 racing atm.

[VGTICE]

Yipper said:

The golden era of motor racing is definitely over.

F1 = rubbish.
FE = rubbish.
WRC = rubbish.
WEC = rubbish.
BTC = rubbish.
DTM = rubbish.
IoM TT = last man standing.

I beg to differ

Indycar = very good
Nascar = might be boring to some but not bland, plus it occasionally turns into hockey game.

[lucido grigio]

Welshbeef said:

First Audi leave Le Mans Series
Then bently leave Le Mans series
Then Porsche splash and dash in Le Mans now leaving
Then Merc leave DTM
..

Got that completely wrong ,as already said Bentley haven't been around for years ,it was only a token entry for old times' sake,

Audi only left last year ,we all know why and now they're reining it even further by dropping Porsche out too.

"Le Mans series " is the WEC.

The ELMS, European Le Mans series is a different championship ,albeit using same spec cars ,without any LMP1 cars.

It'll be a sad day if Bentley pull their GT3 cars from various championships.

[Centurion07]

I was talking mainly about the sound, but...

Welshbeef said:

Hardly any races

I went mainly for the Historic F1 and Group C, but there was also a 50 minute pre-66 GT race which was highly entertaining along with the Super Tourers which was a nice blast from the past.

Welshbeef said:

No pre war

Nope, but not my thing anyway.

Welshbeef said:

No fly over

Nope, but hardly detracts from what is afterall a cars/racing event.

Welshbeef said:

No pub instead it's a couple of festival wagons.

There was a pub in the infield called The Scarf and Goggles...?

Welshbeef said:

No manufacturers only clubs

There were plenty of clubs in the infield; Lamborghini, Ultima, Porsche, Ferrari, Westfield, Morgan etc etc...?

Welshbeef said:

The endless massive on track one lap to celebrate 1 type of vehicle to waste an hour.

It was hardly endless and was actually quite entertaining given the speed.

Welshbeef said:

Huge price to entry

Yep, that took me by surprise too. That said, had we got there at 0900 when it all started and stayed to the end I don't think £66 is horrendous given the price of actual race events and what they provide entertainment-wise.

Welshbeef said:

Huge price for food and drinks

It's a race event with a captive market...

In short, I'd rather pay £66 to listen to the historic stuff at Silverstone yesterday than go and watch a Formula E race even if it was free.

[BricktopST205]

VGTICE said:

Yipper said:

The golden era of motor racing is definitely over.

F1 = rubbish.
FE = rubbish.
WRC = rubbish.
WEC = rubbish.
BTC = rubbish.
DTM = rubbish.
IoM TT = last man standing.

I beg to differ

Indycar = very good
Nascar = might be boring to some but not bland, plus it occasionally turns into hockey game.

I used to disrespect NASCAR because of all the jip it used to get from us Europeans but it is the only motorsport that is still about the drivers. I think I have only watched 2 F1 races this year. Us Europeans could take note from America they know how to make motorsports entertaining to watch.

I also agree about Rallying. Homologation being removed killed it. People had a link with their own personal car or something to aspire too. Yaris WRC has got nothing on the mighty GT-Four of the 90s.

90's you had Supertouring cars driven by F1 drivers. F1 still had overtaking in the 90s. Rallying not only had Group A but you also had the crazy tarmac kit cars as well.

Edited by BricktopST205 on Sunday 30th July 14:19

[CoolHands]

They probably want to get in early so in years to come they will be able to say they've been in the classic electric formula for 40 years etc. To give 'Heritage' - historical credibility in the face of yet unknown upstart companies, like tesla.

Edited by CoolHands on Sunday 30th July 17:12

[tr3a]

Welshbeef said:

Why do manufacturers think Formulae E is the way to go?
One electric motor is no different to another do they not comprehend their point of difference might now come down to styling alone...

When one electric motor is no different to another, maybe motorsport has a chance to a real sport again. You know, a competition between sports people, where the best driver wins and not the car that's supported by the deepest corporate pockets.

[Glosole]

Aparently a Formula E battery pack has enough energy to light a regular light bulb for a couple of years which seems a much better use for it IMO

[VGTICE]

Glosole said:

Aparently a Formula E battery pack has enough energy to light a regular light bulb for a couple of years which seems a much better use for it IMO

Or to supply a small African village with electricity enabling them to have clean drinking water for a couple of decades. But no, some stupid racing takes priority.

[Dave Hedgehog]

tr3a said:

When one electric motor is no different to another, maybe motorsport has a chance to a real sport again. You know, a competition between sports people, where the best driver wins and not the car that's supported by the deepest corporate pockets.

well thats never happened in motor sport apart from one make series, even before the war they pumping fortunes into winning F1, even hitler gave a mountain of cash to auto union so they could win

[RudeDog]

Welshbeef said:

First Audi leave Le Mans Series
Then bently leave Le Mans series
Then Porsche splash and dash in Le Mans now leaving
Then Merc leave DTM


Why do manufacturers think Formulae E is the way to go?
One electric motor is no different to another do they not comprehend their point of difference might now come down to styling alone...

France and the UK have recently announced a date for a total ban on new petrol/diesel car sales. Others will follow in time (no doubt leaving just the US as the last bastion of gas guzzlers). There is no future for petrol cars so its pointless for these manufacturers to continue to pump millions in to furthering R&D for those types of vehicles. Racing is where they push the boundaries and test out new technology while also trying to build an exciting brand/reputation. It makes total sense to me that the manufacturers pull out of ICE series and focus on Electric.

WCZ said:

seems F1 was sold at the perfect time

Couldn't agree more!

[craigjm]

The worst part of formule E is the "public vote" for someone to get a boost. Thats not racing thats just pandering to the Big Brother / Love Island generation.

[Z064life]

RudeDog said:

Couldn't agree more!

The future is hybrid. F1 IS hybrid and I'm sure there is plenty of scope for R and D on batteries in F1.

I don't really understand the jumping ship to F-E. Teams have a budget of around £15 million a year and what innovations will there be that's a first in F-E?

Who wouldn't love a supercar with the sound of a petrol engine but the instant torque of batteries.

However, the Rimac Concept One is an all-electric hypercar which can hit 220mph and 0-60 mph in 2.5 seconds so the potential is there for batteries I would say. Even more impressive for a car which weighs 1.8 tonnes, but presumably a large amount of that weight is batteries (would love to see a figure) and I would imagine the car has lightweight materials given the nature of the car. I would imagine that an F-E car can't have this level of performance due to packaging of batteries. Just my hunch.

I'd imagine that supercar/performance car makers will stick to hybrid because from a marketing perspective, buyers want the raw sound of an engine, etc.

All IMO of course.