RE: New Rolls-Royce Phantom - official!

RE: New Rolls-Royce Phantom - official!

Saturday 29th July 2017

New Rolls-Royce Phantom - official!

New engine, new platform and an onboard art gallery - everything you need to know about the Phantom VIII



As was discussed when the old Rolls-Royce Phantom went out of production, this latest car has a jolly tough task ahead of it. There's an argument to say it's one of the most important cars the company has produced - at least until the Cullinan, that is - by having to replace the very popular old car and take the company forward at a time where luxury cars are set to change drastically.

Not a Fiat 500, not a Fiat 500, not a Fiat 500...
Not a Fiat 500, not a Fiat 500, not a Fiat 500...
Therefore while it may looks similar to the old car - more on that to follow - this Phantom is a wholly new vehicle. It is underpinned by a new 'Architecture of Luxury' platform, an all aluminium monocoque that's lighter and stiffer than before, as well as being unique to Rolls-Royce - this is not a 7 Series dressed up. Indeed Rolls-Royce is at pains to make that point in typically confident style: "Whilst the majority of so-called luxury manufacturers are limited to sharing individual platforms in a specific sector with mass brands for say their SUV or GT offerings, thereby introducing unacceptable compromise, Rolls-Royce will be uncompromising in only using its own architecture across all its motor cars".

Moreover, it's a scalable platform, meaning this 'Architecture of Luxury' will also be used for the Cullinan and, presumably, any other future cars as well. It's designed with different propulsion, traction and control systems in mind, too. The increased torsional rigidity - up 30 per cent on the last platform - is said to improve ride comfort, with air suspension standard and, interestingly, four-wheel steer fitted as well.

How huge is this car? Those wheels are 22s...
How huge is this car? Those wheels are 22s...
Now it wouldn't be a Rolls Royce without some bold claims and outrageous numbers, and the Phantom VIII is no exception. Despite using a conventional combustion engine, Rolls says this is the "most silent motor car in the world"; it's aided in this endeavour by 6mm of glazing all the way around, 130kg of sound insulation (!) and 'Silent-Seal' tyres, with a foam layer inside the tyre that's said to reduce noise from the rubber by 9db.

Turning - or burning, depending on your aim - those tyres is a new 6.75-litre V12. Yes, the old one was a 6.75-litre V12 also, so perhaps the 'all-new' claim is a little disingenuous, though it does now have two turbos. Peak figures, if you must be so vulgar, are 571hp and 664lb ft, the latter from just 1,700rpm. Once more the eight-speed ZF auto is used. And the result? "Calm low speed progress associated with state occasions and an unfussed surge of power when one needs to press on." Marvellous.

Described as "a wholly new and contemporary interpretation of the Phantom DNA", this car is said to be inspired by the 103EX concept seen last year and, well, you're not going to mistake it for anything else, are you? Highlights include a Spirit of Ecstasy now half an inch higher, the 'Pantheon' grille integrated into the bodywork for the first time, standard 22-inch wheels and "the largest single piece of hand polished stainless steel on any motor car" as the side frame finisher. And no, the rear lights aren't from a Fiat 500...

Welcome aboard
Welcome aboard
The inside - or rather, 'The Suite' - of this eighth-gen Phantom is perhaps more exciting; for a start one does not simply get in a Phantom - oh no. The automatic doors envelope the occupant in 'The Embrace' as they close, said to immerse those in the rear seats in a detoxifying environment of the finest materials. As before, the technology that's on offer - and there's a considerable amount - is hidden away until required. Keeps it calm and tranquil, you see? Those in the rear benefit from the largest Starlight Headliner yet seen in a Rolls Royce too but, really, you want to be in the front of this Phantom. No, really. Why? The Gallery. Basically Rolls Royce have noticed that a lot of their buyers like art, so thought it might be nice for those customers to have a gallery in their car. Seriously. So as part of a Bespoke Commission, Phantom buyers will "be able to choose a favoured artist or designer to work with Rolls-Royce to create truly individual work of art" that goes the whole length of the dash. Fabulous. Should you not want to do that, a range of regular gallery treatments - you know, silk, leather, that sort of thing - are available.

So yes, this Phantom promises to be quite some car. 'The world's leading luxury item' as well as the best car in the world, according to Rolls-Royce. The official unveil is this evening, and no doubt those who are in the position to buy one will already know what it costs and when they might get it. Updates to follow when we're told!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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AppleJuice

Original Poster:

2,154 posts

85 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Glad to see Rolls-Royce have decided:
- a policy of evolution over revolution;
- to keep the Phantom using a tailored spaceframe (IMO it widens the gap further to the Ghost)
- to keep the 6.75-litre V12 (shame about the turbochargers - presumably the throttle response has been engineered to be similar to the atmospheric N73B68)
- to keep carving their own styling path (it looks as though it was drawn with a pencil rather than created on SolidWorks)
- I'll think of more later...

I just hope that it's sensibly (relative!) priced - rather than going down the 'more money than sense' route (discuss!) - prior to tailoring

SydneyBridge

8,587 posts

158 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Yes please
Definitely an evolution

As for price, 'if you have to ask sir' ...

Sine Metu

302 posts

126 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Having a steering wheel and a dash with rev counter and speedometer all looks a bit naff. If anything should have autonomous driving to get you to the private jet airfield it's a Phantom.

AppleJuice

Original Poster:

2,154 posts

85 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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SydneyBridge said:
As for price, 'if you have to ask sir' ...
Consider hand slapped! One hopes it is priced and marketed so as to herd those who fit spinners and bodyits of questionable taste to WO Bentley...

FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

93 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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AppleJuice said:
Glad to see Rolls-Royce have decided:
- a policy of evolution over revolution;
- to keep the Phantom using a tailored spaceframe (IMO it widens the gap further to the Ghost)
- to keep the 6.75-litre V12 (shame about the turbochargers - presumably the throttle response has been engineered to be similar to the atmospheric N73B68)
- to keep carving their own styling path (it looks as though it was drawn with a pencil rather than created on SolidWorks)
- I'll think of more later...

I just hope that it's sensibly (relative!) priced - rather than going down the 'more money than sense' route (discuss!) - prior to tailoring
Not a primary concern either way if you are sat in the back and somebody else is driving cool

Bloody marvellous

J4CKO

41,530 posts

200 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Well that is rather magnificent isn't it, love that purple as well.

I think they have more gravitas than ever nowadays, I am not particularly patriotic and I know its got a bit of German in there but I cant think of any other car that comes close, maybe Bentleys but they are made here as well, despite being a bit German, and that hasn't don't the royal family any harm, straying into Clarkson territory there, apologies.

What else, Mercedes, nah they have the Maybach which was a fine thing but didn't hit the spot and now is a tarted up S class , BMW, well they wouldn't have bought Rolls if they did, ditto VAG with Bentley, nothing American or Japanese I can think of, they can all do luxury but they cant do Rolls style, its quite hard to define but this has it, in spades.

Yipper

5,964 posts

90 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Yes, in the ultra-luxury segment, RR is in a class of one. BMW has done a great job reviving the brand.

SydneyBridge

8,587 posts

158 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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I worked for bmw when the deal for RR/Bentley was announced and seemed a strange deal, bmw 'just' bought a name but vw got the factory and Bentley etc...
Bmw have built a factory/assembly plant from nothing. Bentley may sell more cars but what a cracking job bmw have done.

Atmospheric

5,305 posts

208 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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An absolute work of art. That's how you design a car.

No design language nonsense. Marvellous

rtz62

3,366 posts

155 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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When I saw this;


it made me see this;


Having said that, as Clarkson alludes to, it like driving around in Chatsworth House. There is nothing as imposing or so incredibly upmarket as a Royce, even though it's not my cup of Lapsong....

g3org3y

20,627 posts

191 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Yipper said:
Yes, in the ultra-luxury segment, RR is in a class of one. BMW has done a great job reviving the brand.
yes

0a

23,900 posts

194 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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What a motor car... yes it's a bit of a German pastiche, but what a pastiche.

As for the turbos, they had better be quiet - they are what trucks and diesels have.

Ideally a V16 would have been used for more power!

Snubs

1,172 posts

139 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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It's all amazing stuff no doubt, but if i were buying one the first bespoke request i'd make would be to revise the blue/red heater controls. To my eyes, they look like something out of the 1980s and don't fit with the rest of the interior in the slightest.

Tally-ho what!


Murphy16

254 posts

82 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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This is one of those rare cars that as soon as i see it, then read about it, i instantly love it. Usually it'll be a car with stonking performance but maybe the dash doesn't look right, or it looks tremendous but is auto only,there's always a compromise of some sort, no matter how trivial. This is bang on to my eyes, in every aspect. Love at first sight.

MitchT

15,864 posts

209 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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It reminds me of John Prescott.






DoctorX

7,273 posts

167 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Are those digital dials? Hope not, not classy at all in a RR. Other than that, magnificent.

MDMA .

8,894 posts

101 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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The purple interior looks a bit Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen.

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

130 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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I thought the previous one was perfection, so glad they've just updated it a bit, shame to loose the round headlights, although that was stolen by the Nissan Juke

AyBee

10,533 posts

202 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Sine Metu said:
Having a steering wheel and a dash with rev counter and speedometer all looks a bit naff. If anything should have autonomous driving to get you to the private jet airfield it's a Phantom.
Pah! I think you'll find it's a Power Reserve dial wink

User33678888

1,142 posts

137 months

Thursday 27th July 2017
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Nickbrapp said:
I thought the previous one was perfection, so glad they've just updated it a bit, shame to loose the round headlights, although that was stolen by the Nissan Juke
It doesn't look very different to me..
Is it really an all new car? Why does it look so similar to the old one?