Electric cars, does everyone really think they are amazing.
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DonkeyApple said:
Yes, the only way I could find anything out about Simon was via his domain registration. No records of previous companies that may have gone bust, or links to other companies. I couldn't search his company accounts to see if he was likely to go bust, or if he did a lot of business or was a part timer, or if he had significant cash reserves, or run credit check. There is no consistency to his corporate address from his online presence, and from his website it wasn't clear what name he was trading under. On the brightside if he manages to blow up someone and kill them, the family can go after his house.
SimonYorkshire said:
The pic you posted of the large LPG cylinder in the boot of the Maserati (a pic I took of a Maserati I converted and posted on the thread I linked to, which you now linked to) is a bit of an extreme case, it is a similar case for the MX5's (like what's his name here runs) that I've converted to LPG. I expected you trying to pass this off as the norm for an LPG conversion but, no worries, other readers will realise that the Maserati and an MX5 are a bit of an exception and will realise that you've had to use an exceptional case to make a point. If you like I will post pics of a hundred other LPG converted vehicles, none of which have lost any space at all due to fitting of an LPG tank. And don't make us laugh about 'practicality'.. You seem to think everyone will think it practical to run a car that only has 20 mile range and takes 5 hours to charge up because average mileage is only 20 miles a day and everyone will be happy to charge at home, or go and hire an ice car on the days they have to travel further. Everyone who runs a range rover would be equally happy in a Leaf, etc.
Part in bold..... are you being serious?? That is what you have done time and time again throughout this thread!! And fail miserably!!pherlopolus said:
Yes, the only way I could find anything out about Simon was via his domain registration. No records of previous companies that may have gone bust, or links to other companies. I couldn't search his company accounts to see if he was likely to go bust, or if he did a lot of business or was a part timer, or if he had significant cash reserves, or run credit check. There is no consistency to his corporate address from his online presence, and from his website it wasn't clear what name he was trading under.
On the brightside if he manages to blow up someone and kill them, the family can go after his house.
Interesting reading here - http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=27&t... . On the brightside if he manages to blow up someone and kill them, the family can go after his house.
Far as I can see, it involves an LPG installer who is able to arrange for a car to be added to the LPG register (yes, I know it's not a legal requirement, just a requirement of some insurance companies and TFL) even though he's not a member of the only group which can do it.
Seems to involve getting another friendly installer who is a member to add the vehicle, sight unseen, to the database, something which involves declaring it's been checked over. So about as legal and trustworthy as the old dial up MOT arrangements featured in the news from time to time.
rscott said:
Interesting reading here - http://www.lpgforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=27&t... .
Far as I can see, it involves an LPG installer who is able to arrange for a car to be added to the LPG register (yes, I know it's not a legal requirement, just a requirement of some insurance companies and TFL) even though he's not a member of the only group which can do it.
Seems to involve getting another friendly installer who is a member to add the vehicle, sight unseen, to the database, something which involves declaring it's been checked over. So about as legal and trustworthy as the old dial up MOT arrangements featured in the news from time to time.
It is ok! He does issue a certificate! He designed his own to prove his own competence!Far as I can see, it involves an LPG installer who is able to arrange for a car to be added to the LPG register (yes, I know it's not a legal requirement, just a requirement of some insurance companies and TFL) even though he's not a member of the only group which can do it.
Seems to involve getting another friendly installer who is a member to add the vehicle, sight unseen, to the database, something which involves declaring it's been checked over. So about as legal and trustworthy as the old dial up MOT arrangements featured in the news from time to time.
I think it is time to move this thread on. We don't want to go hunting around the web for other things. When we start doing that it usually means things have reached their natural end.
That link makes it very clear that this is akin to a Freeman of the Land and their TV License and there is no rational debate with these types as can be seen for the last 30 pages where the same flawed points keep being raised again and again. It's a very sad situation but I think all of us should rise above it, move the thread forward and not invest in trying to discuss rational scenarios with someone who is fanatically, devoutly set down their own path outside of conventional society.
That link makes it very clear that this is akin to a Freeman of the Land and their TV License and there is no rational debate with these types as can be seen for the last 30 pages where the same flawed points keep being raised again and again. It's a very sad situation but I think all of us should rise above it, move the thread forward and not invest in trying to discuss rational scenarios with someone who is fanatically, devoutly set down their own path outside of conventional society.
TA14 said:
Welshbeef said:
Who in their right mind would LPg a Massareti?
Fair point but who in their right mind would lpg anything? There are better alternatives. Once you're of the state of mind to lpg why not go the whole hog? Maserati, Westfield, F1...Could be the 110 octane rating.
Cheers,
Tony
SimonYorkshire said:
TA14 - Alfa Romeo, Alvis and TVR interest. EVs just a sideline for nipping down the shops then, after you've bought one?
Come on guys, put your money where your mouth is. You don't need any ice cars now you've got (or intend on very soon buying) a brand new EV?
I'm interested in the basics of Ev's and the trends. I do think a large part of sales will be EV's in the future; maybe half sales in 10 or 20 years. Unless taxation levels change very significantly I doubt I'll ever buy an EV in my likely remaining 25 years of motoring. Who can tell?Come on guys, put your money where your mouth is. You don't need any ice cars now you've got (or intend on very soon buying) a brand new EV?
SimonYorkshire said:
ikarl said:
SimonYorkshire said:
The pic you posted of the large LPG cylinder in the boot of the Maserati (a pic I took of a Maserati I converted and posted on the thread I linked to, which you now linked to) is a bit of an extreme case, it is a similar case for the MX5's (like what's his name here runs) that I've converted to LPG. I expected you trying to pass this off as the norm for an LPG conversion but, no worries, other readers will realise that the Maserati and an MX5 are a bit of an exception and will realise that you've had to use an exceptional case to make a point. If you like I will post pics of a hundred other LPG converted vehicles, none of which have lost any space at all due to fitting of an LPG tank. And don't make us laugh about 'practicality'.. You seem to think everyone will think it practical to run a car that only has 20 mile range and takes 5 hours to charge up because average mileage is only 20 miles a day and everyone will be happy to charge at home, or go and hire an ice car on the days they have to travel further. Everyone who runs a range rover would be equally happy in a Leaf, etc.
Part in bold..... are you being serious?? That is what you have done time and time again throughout this thread!! And fail miserably!!Yes I'm being serious. Really you all know that LPG conversion doesn't usually involve any loss of space in the vehicle, the tank usually fitted in the spare wheel location, I have offered to post pics of this 'normal' type of LPG conversion, but you'd all rather pretend here that people always lose luggage space? This is what you've all done time and time again on this thread.
Edited by SimonYorkshire on Friday 22 September 12:07
Do you not see that throughout this thread you have constantly harped on about the absolute extremes of EV's, how they need to do more than 150 miles on a charge, whilst towing and then only taking 5 minutes to charge as that is all 'anyone' wants to wait about for..... and that anything less will never work. Also, how the grid will never cope as everyone will need to charge at the same time.
Do you not see the irony in your post? You are constantly quoting absolute extremes,. All you keep doing is using exceptional cases to try and make a point..... but when someone does it about something you care about you get narky about it.
With regards to losing luggage space, in some cases, yes you will..... in some cases, no you won't. MUCH LIKE WE'RE ALL TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ABOUT EV CARS.
However, If that's a discussion you want to go and have and try and sell your wares, maybe start a "LPG cars, does everyone really think they are amazing?" thread
ikarl said:
Simon - take your time and try if you can to reply to this post specifically. Don't include it in a multi quote and try to keep it to less than 200 words.
Do you not see that throughout this thread you have constantly harped on about the absolute extremes of EV's, how they need to do more than 150 miles on a charge, whilst towing and then only taking 5 minutes to charge as that is all 'anyone' wants to wait about for..... and that anything less will never work. Also, how the grid will never cope as everyone will need to charge at the same time.
Do you not see the irony in your post? You are constantly quoting absolute extremes,. All you keep doing is using exceptional cases to try and make a point..... but when someone does it about something you care about you get narky about it.
With regards to losing luggage space, in some cases, yes you will..... in some cases, no you won't. MUCH LIKE WE'RE ALL TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ABOUT EV CARS.
However, If that's a discussion you want to go and have and try and sell your wares, maybe start a "LPG cars, does everyone really think they are amazing?" thread
I would say that that is quite an easy one: currently EV's are not the best rational choice for everyone. In the next five years EV's could also be the best choice for many.Do you not see that throughout this thread you have constantly harped on about the absolute extremes of EV's, how they need to do more than 150 miles on a charge, whilst towing and then only taking 5 minutes to charge as that is all 'anyone' wants to wait about for..... and that anything less will never work. Also, how the grid will never cope as everyone will need to charge at the same time.
Do you not see the irony in your post? You are constantly quoting absolute extremes,. All you keep doing is using exceptional cases to try and make a point..... but when someone does it about something you care about you get narky about it.
With regards to losing luggage space, in some cases, yes you will..... in some cases, no you won't. MUCH LIKE WE'RE ALL TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ABOUT EV CARS.
However, If that's a discussion you want to go and have and try and sell your wares, maybe start a "LPG cars, does everyone really think they are amazing?" thread
SimonYorkshire said:
You often come across like the dog who shies away from confrontation unless the rest of the pack decide on an attack. This time you must have done a lot of reading to come up with what you think is a point against me but actually you still don't have a point against me, rather the opposite. Are you at all familiar with COP11 and what a basic check it involves? A converted car meeting COP11 standards doesn't even have to drive properly on LPG. The fact that such 'remote' COP11 database registrations are even possible also shows the falicy of the database scheme and the fact that I put right vehicles that have been converted by incompetent UKLPG members on a regular basis only adds to that. I didn't have to raise any of these points on this forum or LPG forum, I did raise these points (and at higher levels) in order to have them addressed and I am pleased at the outcomes of that so far. I'll tell you again that all that will happen in case of London taxi converted to LPG is that a check will be done to see if the taxi is on the database and actually this is all the point on that document implies. You're not going to get the same insights into my area of business in the time it took you to read a few forum threads (even those really long ones) or by looking at UKLPG's website.
I don't care about COP11 and what it involves - that's completely irrelevant to my point.My concern was the fact that you were happy to be complicit in fraudulently getting a vehicle added to the register. Simple as that. The car is being registered by someone who hasn't inspected it, which goes against their rules.
I'm really not that bothered about your little business either as I see LPG a tiny niche market which will contract further as petrol engines become ever more clean and complex, let alone the increasing market share of EVs as the technology matures.
The long forum threads over there have a lot in common with both this thread and your website - massive blocks of text when fewer words would be far more appropriate.
As for why I don't drive an EV - I've already told you. No one offers a convertible or estate yet, so there aren't models appropriate to our household needs. Once there are, and at a comparable price to ICE, then I don't see and reason why we wouldn't switch when it's time to replace our cars.
SimonYorkshire said:
Lots of stuff, often.
Simon the professional respect i have for you after listening to the (many, many) illogical rants is zero. I have tried repeatedly to find some common ground between us but it seems you are all take and no give.I do however feel credit is required from me with regard to how tenacious you are, despite the fact that each of the counters you have brought to the table have been blown off the face of the planet and just the sheer level and volume of abuse you are getting from this thread.
Bravo Simon, Bravo.
Simon, you really desperately need help in managing your online presence.
There are many consultancies firms and one man bands out there who specialise in this, which would be incredibly beneficial to you.
Not that I am an expert in this, but your argument should have gone along the lines of:
>Electric cars are a new and largely unknown quantity, that for the time being often don't suit the average motorist. This situation will obviously change over time as the technology develops.
>LPG still provides a financial benefit for many road users, for which I provide a service to convert petrol cars to.
and that should largely be it.
It seems to me that very few PHers are willing to switch to electric yet due to it's current limitations, which gives you a perfect marketplace for the time being.
Getting into detailed and complex arguments with fellow posters does not help you at all. It matters little who is right or wrong. The argument destroys your reputation.
At the same time, why not start looking into electric conversions?
There are many consultancies firms and one man bands out there who specialise in this, which would be incredibly beneficial to you.
Not that I am an expert in this, but your argument should have gone along the lines of:
>Electric cars are a new and largely unknown quantity, that for the time being often don't suit the average motorist. This situation will obviously change over time as the technology develops.
>LPG still provides a financial benefit for many road users, for which I provide a service to convert petrol cars to.
and that should largely be it.
It seems to me that very few PHers are willing to switch to electric yet due to it's current limitations, which gives you a perfect marketplace for the time being.
Getting into detailed and complex arguments with fellow posters does not help you at all. It matters little who is right or wrong. The argument destroys your reputation.
At the same time, why not start looking into electric conversions?
Let's return to the title question (I'm bored of irrelevant LPG discussions)
Electric cars, does everyone really think they are amazing
Yes I do (in a straight line anyway)
Electric cars, does everyone really think they are amazing
Yes I do (in a straight line anyway)
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