Electric cars, does everyone really think they are amazing.

[DonkeyApple]

Just been to one of my preferred pubs in one of the villages. An EV charger has just appeared in one of the bays at the front of the car park. These are going to become more and more common as businesses seek to compete to win the custom of an affluent demographic.

[LuS1fer]

DonkeyApple said:

Just been to one of my preferred pubs in one of the villages. An EV charger has just appeared in one of the bays at the front of the car park. These are going to become more and more common as businesses seek to compete to win the custom of an affluent demographic.

Pubs will die. They have been on the slide for some time, I don't see a charging point making any difference.
There again, I'm only semi-affluent as I always go for the buy one get one free menu.

[Toltec]

LuS1fer said:

Pubs will die. They have been on the slide for some time, I don't see a charging point making any difference.
There again, I'm only semi-affluent as I always go for the buy one get one free menu.

If they can last until we have self-driving cars then there may be a new surge in custom, the law will have to sort out the 'in charge' stuff because what would be the difference between using a driver-less taxi and having your own car drive you home?

[LuS1fer]

Toltec said:

If they can last until we have self-driving cars then there may be a new surge in custom, the law will have to sort out the 'in charge' stuff because what would be the difference between using a driver-less taxi and having your own car drive you home?

Indeed but if we all have driverless cars, doubtless linked to voice control, they still have to be parked in this new oversubscribed era (cue paid car parks) and then you have a myriad drunks rolling out, slurring at their cars to "temmee hic ome". It makes electric cars look like like a good idea.
There is a statutory defence to drunk in charge which is lacking an intention to drive it whilst over the limit and if you never actually drive it, there is already a solution, especially if you sit in the back and the car cannot be driven by a human.

[DonkeyApple]

LuS1fer said:

DonkeyApple said:

Just been to one of my preferred pubs in one of the villages. An EV charger has just appeared in one of the bays at the front of the car park. These are going to become more and more common as businesses seek to compete to win the custom of an affluent demographic.

Pubs will die. They have been on the slide for some time, I don't see a charging point making any difference.
There again, I'm only semi-affluent as I always go for the buy one get one free menu.

Pubs died years ago technically. It's either restaurants or chain bars in the old pub buildings. But the former are booming round here and every weekend there are more and more Teslas out from London trundling around.

EV charging has and will only grow as a means to attract and retain consumers. But while shops in London have been using charge points for this purpose for a while it's the first time I've noticed it out here.

[rscott]

DonkeyApple said:

LuS1fer said:

DonkeyApple said:

Just been to one of my preferred pubs in one of the villages. An EV charger has just appeared in one of the bays at the front of the car park. These are going to become more and more common as businesses seek to compete to win the custom of an affluent demographic.

Pubs will die. They have been on the slide for some time, I don't see a charging point making any difference.
There again, I'm only semi-affluent as I always go for the buy one get one free menu.

Pubs died years ago technically. It's either restaurants or chain bars in the old pub buildings. But the former are booming round here and every weekend there are more and more Teslas out from London trundling around.

EV charging has and will only grow as a means to attract and retain consumers. But while shops in London have been using charge points for this purpose for a while it's the first time I've noticed it out here.

The co-op here in East Anglia are rolling out charging points to many of their stores - they've even put one at the undertakers in Woodbridge!

[TA14]

rscott said:

The co-op here in East Anglia are rolling out charging points to many of their stores - they've even put one at the undertakers in Woodbridge!

Not part of a chair?

[Pvapour]

An easy to understand explanation by Erik, its going to be one hell of a ride!

https://youtu.be/PX5naeEbD6Y?t=6144

[Colonial]

I read an article about an lpg installer in Australia.

Ever since a 2k government rebate was removed his main business is removing lpg systems and putting them back to petrol.

[Evanivitch]

Pvapour said:

An easy to understand explanation by Erik, its going to be one hell of a ride!

https://youtu.be/PX5naeEbD6Y?t=6144

Even as a pro-EV person, I felt he made some points really poorly.

For example, he addressed the idea that EV aren't slow, but he equated that to driving enjoyment as well. There are few EV sports car choices (if any in production) and few EVs I would consider fun to drive (though I find them enjoyable in a commuting context). As many anti-EV would be right in saying, straight performance isn't the same as enjoyment.

Also, he says about the variety and choice, and then showed a chart of concept and prototypes that included several emerging manufacturers. Like all concepts and emerging manufacturers, few will make it to production. Sports cars aside, the Passat and Optima are your only estate car choices to my knowledge. Both relatively new.

[SimonYorkshire]

Still shying from the topic.

Pages ago I suggested you go on other threads to ask other people if they would want to switch to an EV.

Seems one of you did decide to test the water but forgot to mention it on this thread. Here's the thread they started. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Seems quite a lot of people said no. People pointed out they wouldn't want a car with just 200 mile range even if it could be refuelled for free. They wouldn't want to wait 45 minutes even if the refuel was free. They pointed out that the 45 minutes would be at a fast supercharger, a normal refuel taking much longer. So the answer to the question in the title of this thread is 'no' for a lot of people.

In this thread we've had people probing my personal and business circumstances trying to dig up some dirt (which they couldn't find). I explained why my website is like it is but the digging continued and still continues. Seems some people can dish it out but not take it - There are self proclaimed 'ex powerful directors' who offer solutions for 'people who want to be on top of their game', except they seem to have retired from being a powerful director in their 40s (for whatever reason) and their new venture website is comingsoon.com pmsl. Maybe they didn't like me digging in return, which would explain why they seem to have complained to a moderator to have my post removed.

[rscott]

SimonYorkshire said:

Still shying from the topic.

Pages ago I suggested you go on other threads to ask other people if they would want to switch to an EV.

Seems one of you did decide to test the water but forgot to mention it on this thread. Here's the thread they started. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Seems quite a lot of people said no. People pointed out they wouldn't want a car with just 200 mile range even if it could be refuelled for free. They wouldn't want to wait 45 minutes even if the refuel was free. They pointed out that the 45 minutes would be at a fast supercharger, a normal refuel taking much longer. So the answer to the question in the title of this thread is 'no' for a lot of people.

In this thread we've had people probing my personal and business circumstances trying to dig up some dirt (which they couldn't find). I explained why my website is like it is but the digging continued and still continues. Seems some people can dish it out but not take it - There are self proclaimed 'ex powerful directors' who offer solutions for 'people who want to be on top of their game', except they seem to have retired from being a powerful director in their 40s (for whatever reason) and their new venture website is comingsoon.com pmsl. Maybe they didn't like me digging in return, which would explain why they seem to have complained to a moderator to have my post removed.

You really are priceless. Did you even see the poll results on that thread - where over half said they would go for the free fill-up even though there was 45 minute wait? And that's on a site which tends to attract those with an interest in driving for pleasure, so not a representative cross section of motorists.

Still haven't explained why you think it's acceptable to falsify registrations on the voluntary register either.

[SimonYorkshire]

I remember the time when EVs were a far more common site than they are today. Every morning walking to school I'd see several milk floats making their way slowly back to the depot where presumably they'd all be recharged again ready for the next day's rounds. If they'd had better batteries maybe they could have charged only once every couple of days, but then again I'm not sure if they all wanted to charge at double the normal charge rate if the depot's power supply could have handled it. Milk floats only had to drive a few miles per round, I wonder if a motorway services power supply could handle charging all those milk floats at the same time if milk floats were as fast as ice vans and had a range of 300 miles (so each individual milk float had many times the battery capacity).

[Pvapour]

Evanivitch said:

Pvapour said:

An easy to understand explanation by Erik, its going to be one hell of a ride!

https://youtu.be/PX5naeEbD6Y?t=6144

Even as a pro-EV person, I felt he made some points really poorly.

For example, he addressed the idea that EV aren't slow, but he equated that to driving enjoyment as well. There are few EV sports car choices (if any in production) and few EVs I would consider fun to drive (though I find them enjoyable in a commuting context). As many anti-EV would be right in saying, straight performance isn't the same as enjoyment.

Also, he says about the variety and choice, and then showed a chart of concept and prototypes that included several emerging manufacturers. Like all concepts and emerging manufacturers, few will make it to production. Sports cars aside, the Passat and Optima are your only estate car choices to my knowledge. Both relatively new.

I agree on your first point As i thought the same, its a long time since he was a petrol head so i excuse that oversight but in his defense i think there are new facets yet to be discovered by ev sports cars that petrol cant offer, for one the instant torque on offer is very grin inducing and im sure there are others to come.. Maybe handling involvement and feed back will be sorted? (Maybe not with full auto on horizon)

Your second point i dont, have you seen the new ev launch list for next 2 years? Not prototypes theyre coming, car shows are dominated by whats coming, theyll be a big surge in uptake over the next 2 years, hybrids even more so as these are being used as converters to full ev.

I think his view which is driven by passion and knowledge is pretty spot on tbh, theres so much going on behind the scenes by massive companies that the public dont see or hear about but he does, the amount of fuel (excuse punn) in his passion is understandable, hard for the public to see things in the same way, fortunately im privee to whats happening and its lovely to see him putting it across in the way he does.

[rscott]

SimonYorkshire said:

I remember the time when EVs were a far more common site than they are today. Every morning walking to school I'd see several milk floats making their way slowly back to the depot where presumably they'd all be recharged again ready for the next day's rounds. If they'd had better batteries maybe they could have charged only once every couple of days, but then again I'm not sure if they all wanted to charge at double the normal charge rate if the depot's power supply could have handled it. Milk floats only had to drive a few miles per round, I wonder if a motorway services power supply could handle charging all those milk floats at the same time if milk floats were as fast as ice vans and had a range of 300 miles (so each individual milk float had many times the battery capacity).

I'll feed the troll.

How well would a motorway service station cope with refuelling all the diesel milk float used now if they all needed filling stations at the same time?

[SimonYorkshire]

rscott said:

You really are priceless. Did you even see the poll results on that thread - where over half said they would go for the free fill-up even though there was 45 minute wait? And that's on a site which tends to attract those with an interest in driving for pleasure, so not a representative cross section of motorists.

Still haven't explained why you think it's acceptable to falsify registrations on the voluntary register either.

You mean the poll for this question

PixelpeepS3 said:

Question: If someone said they would pay for a full tank of fuel for you, every time you needed one with the condition that you had to pay them £5 and wait an average of 45 minutes for them to arrive at the petrol station would you sign up?

the small print would be that if you agree, you would always have to do it this way, and couldn't go back to paying for your own fuel.

what would you do?

Which everyone on this thread forgot to mention on this thread (pmsl!) shows that only half of people would be prepared to wait 45 mins to refuel their ice car which has 400 mile range and can be refuelled on any forecourt.

Read the rest of the UKLPG thread on LPGforum, I explain why I have zero regard for UKLPG or it's private database. There are other things you should know about that thread too, kind of behind the scenes stuff. Rosko, the main person arguing pro UKLPG, turned out not to be a UKLPG member himself and yet all his conversions somehow made it onto UKLPG database too.

[rscott]

SimonYorkshire said:

rscott said:

You really are priceless. Did you even see the poll results on that thread - where over half said they would go for the free fill-up even though there was 45 minute wait? And that's on a site which tends to attract those with an interest in driving for pleasure, so not a representative cross section of motorists.

Still haven't explained why you think it's acceptable to falsify registrations on the voluntary register either.

You mean the poll for this question

PixelpeepS3 said:

Question: If someone said they would pay for a full tank of fuel for you, every time you needed one with the condition that you had to pay them £5 and wait an average of 45 minutes for them to arrive at the petrol station would you sign up?

the small print would be that if you agree, you would always have to do it this way, and couldn't go back to paying for your own fuel.

what would you do?

Which everyone on this thread forgot to mention on this thread (pmsl!) shows that only half of people would be prepared to wait 45 mins to refuel their ice car which has 400 mile range and can be refuelled on any forecourt.

Read the rest of the UKLPG thread on LPGforum, I explain why I have zero regard for UKLPG or it's private database. There are other things you should know about that thread too, kind of behind the scenes stuff. Rosko, the main person arguing pro UKLPG, turned out not to be a UKLPG member himself and yet all his conversions somehow made it onto UKLPG database too.

54% is more than half. Or at least it was back when I got a degree in mathematics..
It's also more than 52% which was a big enough majority to trigger one of the biggest political events for decades.

I don't care about the behind the scenes stuff on that tiny forum. Although reading it gives me the impression that much of the LPG scene is a bit suspect, with dodgy databases, installers who bend the rules and are happy to lie about what they've inspected, etc..

[Evanivitch]

Pvapour said:

Evanivitch said:

Pvapour said:

An easy to understand explanation by Erik, its going to be one hell of a ride!

https://youtu.be/PX5naeEbD6Y?t=6144

Even as a pro-EV person, I felt he made some points really poorly.

For example, he addressed the idea that EV aren't slow, but he equated that to driving enjoyment as well. There are few EV sports car choices (if any in production) and few EVs I would consider fun to drive (though I find them enjoyable in a commuting context). As many anti-EV would be right in saying, straight performance isn't the same as enjoyment.

Also, he says about the variety and choice, and then showed a chart of concept and prototypes that included several emerging manufacturers. Like all concepts and emerging manufacturers, few will make it to production. Sports cars aside, the Passat and Optima are your only estate car choices to my knowledge. Both relatively new.

I agree on your first point As i thought the same, its a long time since he was a petrol head so i excuse that oversight but in his defense i think there are new facets yet to be discovered by ev sports cars that petrol cant offer, for one the instant torque on offer is very grin inducing and im sure there are others to come.. Maybe handling involvement and feed back will be sorted? (Maybe not with full auto on horizon)

Your second point i dont, have you seen the new ev launch list for next 2 years? Not prototypes theyre coming, car shows are dominated by whats coming, theyll be a big surge in uptake over the next 2 years, hybrids even more so as these are being used as converters to full ev.

I think his view which is driven by passion and knowledge is pretty spot on tbh, theres so much going on behind the scenes by massive companies that the public dont see or hear about but he does, the amount of fuel (excuse punn) in his passion is understandable, hard for the public to see things in the same way, fortunately im privee to whats happening and its lovely to see him putting it across in the way he does.

I certainly think there's a future for EV sports cars, it just doesn't exist right now!

And again on the latter, I'm sure we'll see plenty of options, but right now it isn't there, hence why people currently have the opinion that the options don't exist.

[rscott]

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The completely different approach to refuelling an EV is one of the big positive aspects for me. I could charge at home and at 2 of the 3 supermarkets I shop at regularly.

Whereas now I have to divert a few miles on my commute to go to a petrol station and hope they've not run out of super unleaded (supply chain management isn't their strong point..).

I know not everyone's situation is the same as mine, but I somehow doubt mine is that unique either.

[InitialDave]

SimonYorkshire said:

I explained why my website is like it is but the digging continued and still continues

Look, I'm not really interested in the other bks that's going on in this thread, but your website could look better, and it would probably be beneficial to your business to have someone give it a makeover for you.

I agree that content is always king, but you have to present it in a way that's appealing to people and easily digestible. You don't need to change what your content is if you don't want to, just sort your formatting and layout. I'm afraid some of it is fundamentally broken, with pictures and hyperlink indices colliding with body text, and a format locked down in width for someone using a 1024x768 resolution.

You seem to have a bit of a hangup about it being too faceless and corporate if you do this sort of thing, but you need to remember that you're trying to sell this stuff to the general public, and a certain amount of "slickness" to it would probably help you.

While the opinions of your customers shouldn't be disregarded, remember, they're already customers, you've got them. It's the people you're not getting you should think about.

I think if you just used a fairly clean Wikipedia-style format, and make a point of hyperlinking keywords within the body text to either link across to the relevant page/article, or just flag up a definition/brief explanation of the terminology, you'd really bump up how helpful it seems to someone looking for information, and keep them clicking through stuff and reading.

There's a problem with the mindset of having a technical/engineering background, as you end up being conditioned to the idea of plugging through text-heavy dumps of information to find what you want, and the more fine detail right there in it, the better. But most people find that offputting, and they're who you're trying to sell to.