RE: Jaguar XF S: Driven
Discussion
Matt was being rather disingenuous when mentioning the price - an XF S petrol has a base price of £51k, not £65k! A bit like saying an Audi RS5 is a £93k car - yes with a whole load of (largely) useless options is it but the base price is much less.
IMO the best (most tasteful) interior trim is the 'brogue' colour option on the V6 S (petrol or diesel). Unfortunately Jaguar UK will not let you order a 340 V6 in the UK, though it is avaliable with a range of more 'traditional' Jaguar finishes in other markets. In the UK you must have the V6 diesel (Portfolio) or a whole range of petrol or diesel 4 cylinders in order to have a more tasteful interior.
I do agree that the previous XF had a nicer interior design than the present one though - even down to the 'chrome' finish to the headrest adjusters rather than the black plastic in the current model.
Regarding the competition - that particular BMW interior looks ghastly. IMO Mercedes do the best interiors of the German 3, though not when fitted with the tacked on 'I-pad'. I would much rather have a car that rides AND handles properly than be worried about the 'infotainment'. My main entertainment when driving is the actual business of driving, though a good quality sound from the HI Fi system is good in a car that is quiet enough to warrant it. All this Apple car play guff strikes me as a way of distracting drivers from the dreariness of their £40k 4-cylinder diesels.
IMO the best (most tasteful) interior trim is the 'brogue' colour option on the V6 S (petrol or diesel). Unfortunately Jaguar UK will not let you order a 340 V6 in the UK, though it is avaliable with a range of more 'traditional' Jaguar finishes in other markets. In the UK you must have the V6 diesel (Portfolio) or a whole range of petrol or diesel 4 cylinders in order to have a more tasteful interior.
I do agree that the previous XF had a nicer interior design than the present one though - even down to the 'chrome' finish to the headrest adjusters rather than the black plastic in the current model.
Regarding the competition - that particular BMW interior looks ghastly. IMO Mercedes do the best interiors of the German 3, though not when fitted with the tacked on 'I-pad'. I would much rather have a car that rides AND handles properly than be worried about the 'infotainment'. My main entertainment when driving is the actual business of driving, though a good quality sound from the HI Fi system is good in a car that is quiet enough to warrant it. All this Apple car play guff strikes me as a way of distracting drivers from the dreariness of their £40k 4-cylinder diesels.
FN2TypeR said:
Wills2 said:
Limpet said:
The interior is a big step back from the original, IMO.
I'm sorry but that looks bloody awful, a dated mess of materials and finishes. The current XF is a good looking car but the interior needs to be more like this:
Edited by Wills2 on Thursday 10th August 21:18
king ghastly 
S90 is far better
Mike335i said:
Probably like a Tesla with a massive touch screen to handle all the controls.
i guess you're not a fan of Apple's tight, integrated and intuitive design then?Sir Jony would not simply stick a giant iPad to a dashboard and call it job done.
For all his faults Steve Jobs wouldn't rest until it was right. Neither sticking an ipad on the dash nor throwing lots of variously sized buttons and knobs into an awkwardly moulded dash would do either. They pictures above look like an engineer and a designer fought over the dash design rather than complementing each other and thinking freshly and cohesively. Form AND Function.
CABC said:
Mike335i said:
Probably like a Tesla with a massive touch screen to handle all the controls.
i guess you're not a fan of Apple's tight, integrated and intuitive design then?Sir Jony would not simply stick a giant iPad to a dashboard and call it job done.
For all his faults Steve Jobs wouldn't rest until it was right. Neither sticking an ipad on the dash nor throwing lots of variously sized buttons and knobs into an awkwardly moulded dash would do either. They pictures above look like an engineer and a designer fought over the dash design rather than complementing each other and thinking freshly and cohesively. Form AND Function.
koff touchscreen as that's what everyone else is doing, so the design team have to just do their best to make it not awful. Otherwise it's totally inexplicable, aside from the magpie appeal to morlocks there is absolutely no benefit to the user putting HVAC controls and so on behind a fking touch screen interface. There is no way Apple would sign off on a product as crushingly s
t as the touch screen interfaces in modern cars. Edited by dme123 on Sunday 13th August 10:58
I'm pretty sure that Apple would use their ios design language to retain uniformity and brand recognition. Their target market would not be car enthusiasts in the same way that the target market for iPhones is not tech enthusiasts.
The car would be locked out of any customisation or modifications and would have lots of glossy materials inside.
It won't be the fastest, will have very poor fuel consumption/battery life and would be vastly more expensive than any of the competitors, but my goodness it would sell well to the masses!
The car would be locked out of any customisation or modifications and would have lots of glossy materials inside.
It won't be the fastest, will have very poor fuel consumption/battery life and would be vastly more expensive than any of the competitors, but my goodness it would sell well to the masses!
Mike335i said:
I'm pretty sure that Apple would use their ios design language to retain uniformity and brand recognition. Their target market would not be car enthusiasts in the same way that the target market for iPhones is not tech enthusiasts.
The car would be locked out of any customisation or modifications and would have lots of glossy materials inside.
It won't be the fastest, will have very poor fuel consumption/battery life and would be vastly more expensive than any of the competitors, but my goodness it would sell well to the masses!
well, this takes the original analogy in another direction. my intent was to look at how people solve a problem and create something that has form, function and usability. If you compare Apple to the rest, and i grew up with Microsoft, the point remains valid.The car would be locked out of any customisation or modifications and would have lots of glossy materials inside.
It won't be the fastest, will have very poor fuel consumption/battery life and would be vastly more expensive than any of the competitors, but my goodness it would sell well to the masses!
moving to a more literal comparison, in a car i don't want the very latest tech. rather, i want all the various components to be more developed and well integrated into a working and robust package. My car isn't disposable after 6 months once the beta release stuff starts failing.
Leading rather than bleeding.
Back to phones, in 2010 the answer for me was Apple not Android.
Anyway, as a driving enthusiast i do like the GT86.
simple uncluttered steering wheel. HVAC buttons that are easy to find, understand and feel good. The basics are really done very well ergonomically. Even the hazard light button is in that very interesting position; central and high up. no need to remember.
True, it's basic and doesn't have much else to fit into the dashboard!
CABC said:
well, this takes the original analogy in another direction. my intent was to look at how people solve a problem and create something that has form, function and usability. If you compare Apple to the rest, and i grew up with Microsoft, the point remains valid.
moving to a more literal comparison, in a car i don't want the very latest tech. rather, i want all the various components to be more developed and well integrated into a working and robust package. My car isn't disposable after 6 months once the beta release stuff starts failing.
Leading rather than bleeding.
Back to phones, in 2010 the answer for me was Apple not Android.
Anyway, as a driving enthusiast i do like the GT86.
simple uncluttered steering wheel. HVAC buttons that are easy to find, understand and feel good. The basics are really done very well ergonomically. Even the hazard light button is in that very interesting position; central and high up. no need to remember.
True, it's basic and doesn't have much else to fit into the dashboard!
I suspect you're pissed.moving to a more literal comparison, in a car i don't want the very latest tech. rather, i want all the various components to be more developed and well integrated into a working and robust package. My car isn't disposable after 6 months once the beta release stuff starts failing.
Leading rather than bleeding.
Back to phones, in 2010 the answer for me was Apple not Android.
Anyway, as a driving enthusiast i do like the GT86.
simple uncluttered steering wheel. HVAC buttons that are easy to find, understand and feel good. The basics are really done very well ergonomically. Even the hazard light button is in that very interesting position; central and high up. no need to remember.
True, it's basic and doesn't have much else to fit into the dashboard!
Wills2 said:
FN2TypeR said:
That is fking ghastly
Coming from a civic driver that's some statement.king ghastly It's f
king ghastlyIt's not the granite hewn piece of engineering that many seem to think it is
The 5/6 series BMWs have a markedly better interior than their smaller stable mates IMO
mighty badger said:
I'm obviously biased but I love the those kinda blues on fast jags. this is my XFR in Spectrum Blue; in sunlight it is much brighter, similar to the S in the article, and it has a superb chameleon thing going on
Agreed love my Kyanite Blue XFR The interior is ok in my books but the infotainment is hopeless
I am led to believe that the "stuck on" screens are something to do with the screen manufactures.
I cant remember the exact details, but the manufacturers (LG or whoever) wouldnt warranty them if they were built in-seems there were issues with cracking when dashboards flex and then the cost of removing them from dashboards.
I cant remember the exact details, but the manufacturers (LG or whoever) wouldnt warranty them if they were built in-seems there were issues with cracking when dashboards flex and then the cost of removing them from dashboards.
My XF was recently in for repairs, I was loaned a E220 AMG edition.
The quality was no better than my 6 year old Jag, there was far more road noise inside, my phone wouldn't connect to the info system.
The screen may have looked nice but a wheel, mouse click button system wasn't to my liking for the navi and sound options. The internal mood lighting was vulgar, the amount of "styling" options was pointless - I don't care how bright the internal lights are! I mistook the screen for touch at first, it wasn't very robust to the touch.
The sound system was flat, the quality of the audio was more Kia than Merc.
Stupid G graphics and power graphs, it's was a 197bhp diesel who cares??
Things that were nice, the seats were good the sat nav was very good if a bit painful to use.
I'm not sure why people rave about info-tainment. If I can make a call legally play the music I want and get where I want to be via an easy to use interface I'm happy. Gimmicks and displays with options that aren't required are chintz and don't improve a car 1 jot.
The quality was no better than my 6 year old Jag, there was far more road noise inside, my phone wouldn't connect to the info system.
The screen may have looked nice but a wheel, mouse click button system wasn't to my liking for the navi and sound options. The internal mood lighting was vulgar, the amount of "styling" options was pointless - I don't care how bright the internal lights are! I mistook the screen for touch at first, it wasn't very robust to the touch.
The sound system was flat, the quality of the audio was more Kia than Merc.
Stupid G graphics and power graphs, it's was a 197bhp diesel who cares??
Things that were nice, the seats were good the sat nav was very good if a bit painful to use.
I'm not sure why people rave about info-tainment. If I can make a call legally play the music I want and get where I want to be via an easy to use interface I'm happy. Gimmicks and displays with options that aren't required are chintz and don't improve a car 1 jot.
Hello, after driving roughly 200,000 miles in my two previous V6 3 Litre Diesel, I've recently taken delivery of a new XF 180 HP 2 Litre Sport as mandated by my companies revised lower CO2 emissions policy limits. I have to say I find the 4 cylinder engine a significant disappointment compared to the prior 3 litre turbo charged diesel (Ford sourced). It is only returning 3-4mpg more than the prior heavier steel / Aluminium XF's and has a comparative rough / flat spot in engine response terms at exactly the speed most of my driving is at (50-70mph) Given Jaguar's portfolio and history includes the superb XK engine, surely it would be possible to extract and develop a smooth, economical XK based design, maybe even one that turns off 3 of 6 cylinders under light load, but retains the classic Jaguar "grace and pace" when required. For me it has really spoilt what was previously an excellent BMW 5 series alternative. PS I also have an XK powered Jaguar.
Where it's a superb engine, with 3rd parties now making all Aluminum blocks to deliver 370-380 BHP is racing trim.
Where it's a superb engine, with 3rd parties now making all Aluminum blocks to deliver 370-380 BHP is racing trim.
This may be a daft question....but what do you guys do with an 'infotainment' system.
My last car in the U.K was a 2004 XK8 convertible. It had a tape deck and a cd changer in the boot. I had a Bluetooth thingy fitted to play music from my phone and to take calls etc.
Sat nav - I used google maps on my phone (in a dash holder) as I have done for years.
Cars before that including other jags had integrated Bluetooth so you could take calls.
Car, here in Bali, has a radio/cd slot. I've got a £20 Bluetooth adapter so we can play music from our phones and use google maps as above - live traffic is very useful.
What do these infotainment system do that I've missed out on? Are you watching tv or films on them or other stuff?
My last car in the U.K was a 2004 XK8 convertible. It had a tape deck and a cd changer in the boot. I had a Bluetooth thingy fitted to play music from my phone and to take calls etc.
Sat nav - I used google maps on my phone (in a dash holder) as I have done for years.
Cars before that including other jags had integrated Bluetooth so you could take calls.
Car, here in Bali, has a radio/cd slot. I've got a £20 Bluetooth adapter so we can play music from our phones and use google maps as above - live traffic is very useful.
What do these infotainment system do that I've missed out on? Are you watching tv or films on them or other stuff?
Edited by jdw100 on Sunday 22 October 01:05
A good infotainment system makes it easier to listen to music, use nav on the go, make calls and keep tabs on any issue with the car (faults or maintenance).
Most people seem to use Spotify or something like that now, so the infotainment system would need to be compatible with applications like that.
On my idrive I can scroll though the music saved on the usb/hard drive easily. Because it's not on my phone, I can use the iDrive controller/wheel buttons rather than the phone itself to select music.
Most people seem to use Spotify or something like that now, so the infotainment system would need to be compatible with applications like that.
On my idrive I can scroll though the music saved on the usb/hard drive easily. Because it's not on my phone, I can use the iDrive controller/wheel buttons rather than the phone itself to select music.
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