RE: New TVR - the update
Discussion
So the "designer" copied the front of this...
and stuck it to the back end of this...
Or maybe there was an old T350 rear mould knocking around?
Presumably at this point they sacked the "designer" and gave the job of designing the dash and instruments to the kids doing GCSE D&G at the local school. Nice to see them sticking to tradition though
I'm not in the demographic so my view is irrelevant, but how disappointing. I do hope TVR sell enough to keep going and produce a mk2 which I'm sure will be much better.
and stuck it to the back end of this...
Or maybe there was an old T350 rear mould knocking around?
Presumably at this point they sacked the "designer" and gave the job of designing the dash and instruments to the kids doing GCSE D&G at the local school. Nice to see them sticking to tradition though
I'm not in the demographic so my view is irrelevant, but how disappointing. I do hope TVR sell enough to keep going and produce a mk2 which I'm sure will be much better.
Forget the rear wheel drive, forget the light weight, forget the howling, nigh on 500 bhp V8, some of the switchgear is a bit infra dig 
I suspect some choices of switch gear may be down to the cost of developing their own from scratch, plus if it is from a Fiesta, then it will at least work, suspect a lot of the electronics will be Ford seeing as its a Ford engine, ecu, clocks, loom, keys etc
This isnt a Pagani or Koenigsegg, i.e. a million pound plus boutique hypercar or a high volume product from a multi billion pound company. Its 90 grand, in fact the launch edition is 90 grand, others will be cheaper, ok its still a lot of money but it is the first incarnation of the new companies product, not really fair to compare it to a 911 even if it is intruding on that price range.
I like it, and credit where credit is due, its a British startup that has brought a brand new car to market from scratch and revived a proud name that got run into the ground,
You lot are a tough crowd considering this was originally TVR central !
Need to see one getting battered round a track, and not that bloody German one.
I suspect some choices of switch gear may be down to the cost of developing their own from scratch, plus if it is from a Fiesta, then it will at least work, suspect a lot of the electronics will be Ford seeing as its a Ford engine, ecu, clocks, loom, keys etc
This isnt a Pagani or Koenigsegg, i.e. a million pound plus boutique hypercar or a high volume product from a multi billion pound company. Its 90 grand, in fact the launch edition is 90 grand, others will be cheaper, ok its still a lot of money but it is the first incarnation of the new companies product, not really fair to compare it to a 911 even if it is intruding on that price range.
I like it, and credit where credit is due, its a British startup that has brought a brand new car to market from scratch and revived a proud name that got run into the ground,
You lot are a tough crowd considering this was originally TVR central !
Need to see one getting battered round a track, and not that bloody German one.
My only thought or concern about switches are the 'flip' type switches immediately behind the gearstick. In the photos, it just looks (I could be completely wrong) like they might just get snagged on a shirt cuff. Otherwise, I think a very nice evolution of the previous TVR house style.
Oh look, a car looks a bit like another car... what exactly did you expect? 
We really ought to have a bingo card for this..
For a blank sheet design from a start up company, I'd say no-one is going to be embarrassed to turn up in that. It'll go like stink and sit quite happily in the car park next to AMG, Aston etc. etc. Is it 'TVR' enough? That'll come down to the drive - I'm looking forward to the tests!
To me it looks a bit more 'grown up' than the Griffith/Chimera era cars, and given that the rear end view is all most people will see, the drama works well.
In the mean time, I'm going to set up a company that specialises in bespoke dashboard designs for small manufacturers. This one looks workmanlike enough, but in common with Lotus and a few others, the dash usually is the bit that most marks a car out for not being mass produced. Nothing wrong with that, but these days public taste is probably more informed by the complex plastic mouldings in an Audi than hand built specials.
We really ought to have a bingo card for this..
For a blank sheet design from a start up company, I'd say no-one is going to be embarrassed to turn up in that. It'll go like stink and sit quite happily in the car park next to AMG, Aston etc. etc. Is it 'TVR' enough? That'll come down to the drive - I'm looking forward to the tests!
To me it looks a bit more 'grown up' than the Griffith/Chimera era cars, and given that the rear end view is all most people will see, the drama works well.
In the mean time, I'm going to set up a company that specialises in bespoke dashboard designs for small manufacturers. This one looks workmanlike enough, but in common with Lotus and a few others, the dash usually is the bit that most marks a car out for not being mass produced. Nothing wrong with that, but these days public taste is probably more informed by the complex plastic mouldings in an Audi than hand built specials.
J4CKO said:
....I suspect some choices of switch gear may be down to the cost of developing their own from scratch, plus if it is from a Fiesta, then it will at least work, suspect a lot of the electronics will be Ford seeing as its a Ford engine, ecu, clocks, loom, keys etc...
Using off-the-shelf switch-gear and electronics makes perfect sense. At least that's a lesson learned from the 'T' cars. My (pointless) criticism is about how it has been packaged. It's cluttered and untidy and poor by any standard.J4CKO said:
....This isnt a Pagani or Koenigsegg, i.e. a million pound plus boutique hypercar or a high volume product from a multi billion pound company. Its 90 grand, in fact the launch edition is 90 grand, ....
It's NINETY THOUSAND POUNDS! For that a buyer should expect something a bit special. 
Jesus but some of you are just miserable. Not content with simply saying the car is not for you, some of you are literally trying as hard as you can to be rude, unpleasant and utterly insulting.
I realise this is PH but by god If it's not 'it's not a TVR from the 90's' or 'ooh it looks like half of this car wot I found on the internet and half of that', then its let's pick holes in the use of standard switchgear, or watch me design a better one with photoshop and twenty minutes.
Worst of all are those experts commenting on how production corners will be cut because they know better. Really? Do you think this is a consortium of fools putting TVR back on the road? Instead of celebrating the return of a great British marque we have PH lining up to throw barbs. In every other forum I have read across the global people are positive, no ecstatic, but here, were we should be happiest of all, we're the meanest. You should be f
king ashamed of yourselves.
I'll leave it there, suffice to say when the reviews come in and it's shown to be the success that I believe it will be, I trust you'll be posting apologies. You don't need to like it, just don't be such aholes.
I realise this is PH but by god If it's not 'it's not a TVR from the 90's' or 'ooh it looks like half of this car wot I found on the internet and half of that', then its let's pick holes in the use of standard switchgear, or watch me design a better one with photoshop and twenty minutes.
Worst of all are those experts commenting on how production corners will be cut because they know better. Really? Do you think this is a consortium of fools putting TVR back on the road? Instead of celebrating the return of a great British marque we have PH lining up to throw barbs. In every other forum I have read across the global people are positive, no ecstatic, but here, were we should be happiest of all, we're the meanest. You should be f
king ashamed of yourselves. I'll leave it there, suffice to say when the reviews come in and it's shown to be the success that I believe it will be, I trust you'll be posting apologies. You don't need to like it, just don't be such a
holes. thecook101 said:
I'll leave it there, suffice to say when the reviews come in and it's shown to be the success that I believe it will be, I trust you'll be posting apologies.
The difference with PH to a lot of other forums is that quite a few of the posters here actually are involved in the UKs car industry and tend to know a bit more about how such things work as compared to 16 yo in their bedroom w**king themselves silly over a picture of a car they could never afford to buy........
thecook101 said:
Jesus but some of you are just miserable. Not content with simply saying the car is not for you, some of you are literally trying as hard as you can to be rude, unpleasant and utterly insulting.
I realise this is PH but by god If it's not 'it's not a TVR from the 90's' or 'ooh it looks like half of this car wot I found on the internet and half of that', then its let's pick holes in the use of standard switchgear, or watch me design a better one with photoshop and twenty minutes.
Worst of all are those experts commenting on how production corners will be cut because they know better. Really? Do you think this is a consortium of fools putting TVR back on the road? Instead of celebrating the return of a great British marque we have PH lining up to throw barbs. In every other forum I have read across the global people are positive, no ecstatic, but here, were we should be happiest of all, we're the meanest. You should be fking ashamed of yourselves.
I'll leave it there, suffice to say when the reviews come in and it's shown to be the success that I believe it will be, I trust you'll be posting apologies. You don't need to like it, just don't be such aholes.
Christ, we are a delicate snowflake aren't we?I realise this is PH but by god If it's not 'it's not a TVR from the 90's' or 'ooh it looks like half of this car wot I found on the internet and half of that', then its let's pick holes in the use of standard switchgear, or watch me design a better one with photoshop and twenty minutes.
Worst of all are those experts commenting on how production corners will be cut because they know better. Really? Do you think this is a consortium of fools putting TVR back on the road? Instead of celebrating the return of a great British marque we have PH lining up to throw barbs. In every other forum I have read across the global people are positive, no ecstatic, but here, were we should be happiest of all, we're the meanest. You should be f
king ashamed of yourselves. I'll leave it there, suffice to say when the reviews come in and it's shown to be the success that I believe it will be, I trust you'll be posting apologies. You don't need to like it, just don't be such a
holes. I quite like it personally and completely understand why they've gone parts bin, even at £90k, but people who don't are free to share their views on here no matter how negative. You seem to be taking it all far too personally for some reason?
thecook101 said:
Jesus but some of you are just miserable. Not content with simply saying the car is not for you, some of you are literally trying as hard as you can to be rude, unpleasant and utterly insulting.
I realise this is PH but by god If it's not 'it's not a TVR from the 90's' or 'ooh it looks like half of this car wot I found on the internet and half of that', then its let's pick holes in the use of standard switchgear, or watch me design a better one with photoshop and twenty minutes.
Worst of all are those experts commenting on how production corners will be cut because they know better. Really? Do you think this is a consortium of fools putting TVR back on the road? Instead of celebrating the return of a great British marque we have PH lining up to throw barbs. In every other forum I have read across the global people are positive, no ecstatic, but here, were we should be happiest of all, we're the meanest. You should be fking ashamed of yourselves.
I'll leave it there, suffice to say when the reviews come in and it's shown to be the success that I believe it will be, I trust you'll be posting apologies. You don't need to like it, just don't be such aholes.
This.I realise this is PH but by god If it's not 'it's not a TVR from the 90's' or 'ooh it looks like half of this car wot I found on the internet and half of that', then its let's pick holes in the use of standard switchgear, or watch me design a better one with photoshop and twenty minutes.
Worst of all are those experts commenting on how production corners will be cut because they know better. Really? Do you think this is a consortium of fools putting TVR back on the road? Instead of celebrating the return of a great British marque we have PH lining up to throw barbs. In every other forum I have read across the global people are positive, no ecstatic, but here, were we should be happiest of all, we're the meanest. You should be f
king ashamed of yourselves. I'll leave it there, suffice to say when the reviews come in and it's shown to be the success that I believe it will be, I trust you'll be posting apologies. You don't need to like it, just don't be such a
holes. Of course everybody is entitled to their opinions, but I'm staggered by the negativity on here.
Having said that, at around 90k there are a lot of tasty alternatives.
I think when the dust has settled TVR will be OK, provided they have sufficient financial back up to get up and running.
I like the car very much.
Wacky Racer said:
I think when the dust has settled TVR will be OK, provided they have sufficient financial back up to get up and running.
Thing is, we all know which way the wind is blowing don't we. You can't have failed to seen the headlines of recent months. TVR now not only have to build a competitive sports car, they have to somehow build a car that is also relevant to the market itself, which is, imo, starting to change, and change rapidly. If this car had been released, and was even on-par with similar performance cars in say 2012, then they might have had a few years to get a foothold (see Mclaren Auto for reference) but by the time the new Griffith reaches production in 2019, the world, and the passenger car market itself, could be, and i think, will be, significantly different to how it sits even today...........Max_Torque said:
Wacky Racer said:
I think when the dust has settled TVR will be OK, provided they have sufficient financial back up to get up and running.
Thing is, we all know which way the wind is blowing don't we. You can't have failed to seen the headlines of recent months. TVR now not only have to build a competitive sports car, they have to somehow build a car that is also relevant to the market itself, which is, imo, starting to change, and change rapidly. If this car had been released, and was even on-par with similar performance cars in say 2012, then they might have had a few years to get a foothold (see Mclaren Auto for reference) but by the time the new Griffith reaches production in 2019, the world, and the passenger car market itself, could be, and i think, will be, significantly different to how it sits even today...........d of a car ?J4CKO said:
Max_Torque said:
Wacky Racer said:
I think when the dust has settled TVR will be OK, provided they have sufficient financial back up to get up and running.
Thing is, we all know which way the wind is blowing don't we. You can't have failed to seen the headlines of recent months. TVR now not only have to build a competitive sports car, they have to somehow build a car that is also relevant to the market itself, which is, imo, starting to change, and change rapidly. If this car had been released, and was even on-par with similar performance cars in say 2012, then they might have had a few years to get a foothold (see Mclaren Auto for reference) but by the time the new Griffith reaches production in 2019, the world, and the passenger car market itself, could be, and i think, will be, significantly different to how it sits even today...........d of a car ?Max_Torque said:
Thing is, we all know which way the wind is blowing don't we. You can't have failed to seen the headlines of recent months. TVR now not only have to build a competitive sports car, they have to somehow build a car that is also relevant to the market itself, which is, imo, starting to change, and change rapidly. If this car had been released, and was even on-par with similar performance cars in say 2012, then they might have had a few years to get a foothold (see Mclaren Auto for reference) but by the time the new Griffith reaches production in 2019, the world, and the passenger car market itself, could be, and i think, will be, significantly different to how it sits even today...........
I think you're overestimating the speed of change. By a long way. And that's assuming that everything goes exactly according to plan for the 'new generation' of machines and manufacturers.Regardless, I'm not sure if TVR have indicated what their break even numbers are, but as a hand built special capable of 200+ mph I don't think they're worrying about changes in the mass market.
I think those saying it looks like the back end of a Corvette or F-type are being generous. Personally I think it look a bit unimpressive, to me the 90s/00s cars looked like nothing else, they looked like an event. This looks like an average sports car. However, I do like the red and I'm glad that after all this hype there is a car at the end of it. Fingers crossed their next effort looks more like the green render as I thought that was great.
I think there is an element of over anticipation going on, ok, its not the most awesome looking thing in the history of the car but there has been a lot of anticipation, I think there will be a bit of acclimatisation and maybe people will warm to it when they see and hear it in the flesh, but maybe not ? I really am not sure.
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