RE: New TVR - the update
Discussion
I collected my Cerbera from the factory mid 96. Only paid £28k for it, though they had messed up a previous order for a LHD Griffith which I had ordered 3 years earlier and gave me a discount.
That said, it was not a good car....
I wish them all the best but am slightly surprised by all the noise they have managed to create on the back of purchasing the rights to three letters, TVR. If this was the exact same car, trying to sell at the exact same price, and was called the Les Edgar Special or something, we'd all be talking about Marcos & Connaught & Noble ( original ) & Frabio & Invicta and a whole host of other small well intentioned British companies who have tried to launch cars at this price point and failed. If anything, the market is even more crowded now with very good cars then when these companies floundered.
It's a big ask.
That said, it was not a good car....
I wish them all the best but am slightly surprised by all the noise they have managed to create on the back of purchasing the rights to three letters, TVR. If this was the exact same car, trying to sell at the exact same price, and was called the Les Edgar Special or something, we'd all be talking about Marcos & Connaught & Noble ( original ) & Frabio & Invicta and a whole host of other small well intentioned British companies who have tried to launch cars at this price point and failed. If anything, the market is even more crowded now with very good cars then when these companies floundered.
It's a big ask.
Konrod said:
Everyon is getting hyped up by the £90k price tag, however that is for the 500LE (launch edition/Les Edgar??) cars that come fully loaded. Drop the carbin chassis and some of the options and you're probably looking high £60k (wild guess). That would perhaps be more of a bargain.
This was my understanding as well, although I thought in reality it would be nearer Evora 400 money at early 70k.Personally I don't see prospective 911 owners choosing the TVR over a base Carrera, more so people looking 'down' at the price and having a punt on something a bit different for their collection.
I do struggle a bit though with people suggesting that you still have to throw 15k at a base 911 to make it palatable, when the standard car comes with PASM, leather, climate, nav, b/tooth, upgraded Hi-Fi etc. Personally I'd put some 20'' wheels on it and cruise control and just drive the thing.
Krikkit said:
J4CKO said:
Krikkit said:
Considering a completely unoptioned 911 C2 is 78k, 90k doesn't sound ridiculous for this.
Can't wait to see it, the world is a better place for TVR coming back.
Ditto, whilst the 911 is a lovely thing, I am sure there are plenty who want something different, "Unoptioned 911 C2" doesnt sound that appealing even if it is actually great, it sounds a bit head, rather than heart choice and the TVR sounds more heart.Can't wait to see it, the world is a better place for TVR coming back.
I think thing sound good, sounds like they are really sticking to the old recipe, just "remastering" it.
Cruise control? Xenon lights? Rain sensing wipers? Parking sensors? Nope. A 10 grand Fiesta has all of them!
A poverty spec Fiesta is £12,715 and has no Xenon, no cruise control, no rain sensors and no parking sensors.
This took me all of 5 minutes to research.
J4CKO said:
cypriot said:
in reality, the interior fit and finish will probably the most important factor in its success.
Really, not the styling, performance, honking great howlingV8, noise and evocative badge ?Audi dealers are that way -->
That said, it should at least fit and not fall to bits.
Beyond fit and finish, which are relevant at any price point, let alone 60k upwards. For me the biggest issue must be reliability, company longevity, warranty and dealership coverage.
Also seeing beyond the 'art school' renderings and angled almost cryptic photography is a slight challenge for me at the moment.
I'm sure it will look great......but there is still a bit too much guesswork required for me at the moment.
Also seeing beyond the 'art school' renderings and angled almost cryptic photography is a slight challenge for me at the moment.
I'm sure it will look great......but there is still a bit too much guesswork required for me at the moment.
I wish them every success. I am torn as to whether I would jump, feet first, into this, but applaud and understand anyone and everyone who has or does. This is cool, this is a real 'thing' and comparing it to a 911 is good and right, but does not scrape the surface of how good the ownership experience could be - TVR still carries a tonne of street cred and kudos.
For the record and apropos of the general discussion on prices, my last Griffith, ordered from Team Central and built (on 6 month waiting list!) in September 1998, cost me £36k, without going too mad on options. £90k today is not bad.
For the record and apropos of the general discussion on prices, my last Griffith, ordered from Team Central and built (on 6 month waiting list!) in September 1998, cost me £36k, without going too mad on options. £90k today is not bad.
Edited by Digga on Friday 11th August 15:14
Tuvra said:
Byker28i said:
the original owner of my Cerbera paid £41.5k for it in May 1997
Taking inflation into account that's £70k..
And £90k is the launch edition price with every possible option and something extra, so top of the range price and spec
Digga said:
Byker28i said:
And £90k is the launch edition price with every possible option and something extra, so top of the range price and spec
Good point, IIRC, for those prepared to get a 'production' car, post-launch, the starting price banded about was around £60k, wasn't it?And this one needs to appeal to all not just existing TVR owners, so it's a success and they can build other models, convertibles etc
Edit: Can't wait to see it to be honest, especially thrashed around a top gear track with all and sundry loudly exclaiming that TVR are back and it's a very good thing...
Cold said:
J4CKO said:
cypriot said:
in reality, the interior fit and finish will probably the most important factor in its success.
Really, not the styling, performance, honking great howlingV8, noise and evocative badge ?Audi dealers are that way -->
That said, it should at least fit and not fall to bits.
How many potential buyers have been put off of a Lotus by the demo car having far from perfect fit or bits and pieces (i was from a Exige V6 where the window was misaligned amongst other things) or looked at the interior of an Ultima (ok a different type of car) etc.
Then they need the reliability of the bigger boys, again how many put off by Lotus?
The lack of driver aids will then only appeal to a few buyers as it seems in todays modern world, drivers need aids to help them or make them to look like a pro and so on.
Id be interested in them but id want to see how they fair after a year or two though
Max_Torque said:
Is "No driver aids" a real selling point in 2017??
I mean, sure, make then switchable with a Track mode or whatever, but personally, i'd like to have electronic stability control on my 400 bhp/tonne sports car (and i can drive pretty well compared to most buys of this new car i suspect.....)
Would you turn away an F40 or F50 on the basis that they have no electronics? I mean, sure, make then switchable with a Track mode or whatever, but personally, i'd like to have electronic stability control on my 400 bhp/tonne sports car (and i can drive pretty well compared to most buys of this new car i suspect.....)
I am very happy that the M135i that my wife drives every day has all the electronic toys but for a specialist sportscar that you are mainly driving for fun then lack of assistance means more involvement. Same with bikes. My three have 55bhp, 148bhp and 200bhp without even ABS. Focuses the mind when you open the throttle or grab the brakes. And that is how it should be. Yes I am sure I am "slower" but then I am not timing myself. How much fun I am having is more important.
Cold said:
J4CKO said:
cypriot said:
in reality, the interior fit and finish will probably the most important factor in its success.
Really, not the styling, performance, honking great howlingV8, noise and evocative badge ?Audi dealers are that way -->
That said, it should at least fit and not fall to bits.
lemmingjames said:
The lack of driver aids will then only appeal to a few buyers as it seems in todays modern world, drivers need aids to help them or make them to look like a pro and so on.
Has it a lack of driver aids? Traction control etc comes as part of the engine package and Les has previously said the interior design issues were around packaging the various electronics expected these days, not issues with the actual mechanicalsDigga said:
I wish them every success. I am torn as to whether I would jump, feet first, into this, but applaud and understand anyone and everyone who has or does. This is cool, this is a real 'thing' and comparing it to a 911 is good and right, but does not scrape the surface of how good the ownership experience could be - TVR still carries a tonne of street cred and kudos.
For the record and apropos of the general discussion on prices, my last Griffith, ordered from Team Central and built (on 6 month waiting list!) in September 1998, cost me £36k, without going too mad on options. £90k today is not bad.
It can only be a good thing for Griff prices. I love that colour BTW.For the record and apropos of the general discussion on prices, my last Griffith, ordered from Team Central and built (on 6 month waiting list!) in September 1998, cost me £36k, without going too mad on options. £90k today is not bad.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 11th August 15:14
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