RE: Ditch the steering wheel: Speed Matters

RE: Ditch the steering wheel: Speed Matters

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DAVEVO9

3,469 posts

267 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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AW111 said:
Sinclair C5 had handlebars.
Anyone here driven one?
No , but wouldn't mind a go in this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7sZpNbK-sw

cookie1600

2,114 posts

161 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Come on Pistonheads, catch up!

There have been several firms in the UK and many more abroad who have been adapting vehicles for people who can't use a steering wheel:



http://www.rica.org.uk/content/custom-built-car-co...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHMSzZ37mKU

And Merc have demonstrated a joystick concept:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFG-7lUPb5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQuwi88pZDQ





robemcdonald

8,787 posts

196 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Dan

As someone who relies upon Pistonheads for his livelihood you come across as having a lot of contempt for its members.

FourWheelDrifter

39 posts

135 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Saw this Subaru Impreza at Japfest Donington. Check out his steering wheel! Watched him drive off, each handle is pivoted. He turned the car around using one hand like a delivery driver!



SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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/thread hehe

fred bloggs

1,308 posts

200 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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Pre internet, many keen drivers moaned about the lack of steering feel from power assisted racks.
In the 70's everyone thought the muscle car was dead.
Give it some time and electric racks will be just fine.

Oh,and steering feel can be improved 100% with a bit of castor and a little toe out on most cars.

Edited by fred bloggs on Tuesday 15th August 19:53

Gemaeden

291 posts

115 months

Tuesday 15th August 2017
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HeMightBeBanned said:
If it aint broke, don't fix it.

The steering wheel remains because, in the absence of full autonomous vehicles, it's simply the most intuitive primary interface for taking human input and translating it into a change in the vehicle's direction. Anything else is just a gimmick.
Apart from handlebars of course.

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

128 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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By the way, didn't the journos moan that the unassisted steering in the Alfa 4C was numb and devoid of feel?

Numeric

1,396 posts

151 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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I have often pondered if the wheel makes us feel more secure, or whether it is the best interface.

The flight decks of Boeing and Airbus are conspicuously different because of the different view on Wheel versus Stick. So the Boeing has a nice big comforting 'wheel' type arrangement (OK it isn't a wheel but it is of the same ilk) while the Airbus gives you a computer game joystick. For reasons of pure psychology I sometimes think I prefer the Boeing solution as I have visions of the pilot holding on with white knuckles while piloting me through a storm, but you don't hear much about Airbus pilots saying they feel they have less control as a result of not having a nice big 'wheel' to hold on to. Having said that the Airbus has huge amounts of fail-safes to prevent the pilot doing anything too daft or allowing a random sneeze to crash the plane - not sure a car could easily be fitted with such things as the movements on a wheel can be really quite large and 'irrational' especially if pressing on.

Also the idea of teaching my mother to use a joystick.... Yee gods!

Guvernator

13,156 posts

165 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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As has been already mentioned, the replacement for the steering wheel will be nothing or more likely an ipad screen. The driver will be removed from the equation a long time before someone thinks about changing the trusty old steering wheel.

BricktopST205

900 posts

134 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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I think the main clincher is the fact that as it is now it is all mechanical on the most part. I would hate for my steering to turn off as I was on a bend at 60mph.

AW111

9,674 posts

133 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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BricktopST205 said:
I think the main clincher is the fact that as it is now it is all mechanical on the most part. I would hate for my steering to turn off as I was on a bend at 60mph.
Naah. I'll just get the electric power assist to turn hard left while you're cruising down the motorway. That'll teach you to plug an unknown USB stick into your stereo!

Tony33

1,105 posts

122 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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The odd thing is that you can now get force feedback steering wheels for your home race simulation with industrial strength motors which do a pretty good job (with the right simulation) of replicating the steering feel of race cars and road cars of past eras.

It surprises me that no manufacturer has enhanced the steering feel other than simply adding weight. If a simulation developer can program in things like self aligning torque why can't a car manufacturer engineer? Though I guess the market who would care for such things is pretty small.

Fastdruid

8,642 posts

152 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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V8 FOU said:
More worryingly is the total acceptance of shonky electric assistance. Why does everyone just roll over and accept this? Surely there could be an oportunity for someone to do hydraulic conversions to return some form of steering feel?
I'm not sure if this is "because electric assistance" or just poor implementation.

I don't think I've heard anyone complain about the steering feel on the RX-8 for example and that is electrically assisted.

MustardCutter

238 posts

120 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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At least it would mean modern Peugeot drivers would be able to see their Speedo biggrin

V8RX7

26,862 posts

263 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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As a quick rack is around 2.5 turns and with handgrips you only get around 1/2 a turn that would be quite a handful.

I once put a purpose built hill climber on the road and a twitch of your wrists (or a bump in the road) and it would switch lanes - it was very exhausting to drive fast.

DanielSan

18,792 posts

167 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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More cheap motoring hack clickbait? Really?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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DanielSan said:
More cheap motoring hack clickbait? Really?
Worth every penny you pay!

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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Numeric said:
. Having said that the Airbus has huge amounts of fail-safes to prevent the pilot doing anything too daft or allowing a random sneeze to crash the plane!
er, AF447

chrisjpartridge

23 posts

162 months

Wednesday 16th August 2017
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Does the Austin Allegro count?!