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Will there ever be another one?
I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
theplayingmantis said:
Will there ever be another one?
I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
So you're not on about hatches.....but then quote two hatches....Sierra RS Cosworth is a hatch ( saph was the later saloon ) and the mondeo is a hatch.I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
The Focus RS is the current Fast Ford...or the Mustang depending on your point of view.....
M-SportMatt said:
theplayingmantis said:
Will there ever be another one?
I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
So you're not on about hatches.....but then quote two hatches....Sierra RS Cosworth is a hatch ( saph was the later saloon ) and the mondeo is a hatch.I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
The Focus RS is the current Fast Ford...or the Mustang depending on your point of view.....
i clearly quote full size car. i consider a focus a hot hatch. to compare it to a rs cosworth is just silly,
theplayingmantis said:
dont be pedantic.
i clearly quote full size car. i consider a focus a hot hatch. to compare it to a rs cosworth is just silly,
If you meant 'Full Size' whatever the hell that means ( i mean are there any 3/4 sized replicas about? ) surely you meant Granada's then or Scorpiosi clearly quote full size car. i consider a focus a hot hatch. to compare it to a rs cosworth is just silly,
Is it silly to compare the Sierra to the Focus? The Mk3 focus is way bigger than a Mk1 Sierra Hatch, way more powerful and way faster so yes maybe I shouldn't compare them....BUT
Both were/are HALO performance models and both compete/competed in the BTCC and both are hatches, they couldn't be more similar apart from AWD vs RWD.
if you meant it, why not just ask if Ford are going to make a big performance saloon?
It's because the answer is a resounding no, who in their right mind is going to pay what would surely be north of 40k for a Ford Saloon in a hugely competitive segment.
M-SportMatt said:
Is it silly to compare the Sierra to the Focus? The Mk3 focus is way bigger than a Mk1 Sierra Hatch, way more powerful and way faster
Matt's definitely correct here. When I ran one (late 90s) I thought the Sierra RS was a big car (certainly compared to my previous Escort RS Turbo) but park one next to a modern Focus and it looks positively small. And the Focus would blow it in to the weeds comparing two standard cars.The difference now is that Ford don't need to produce anything like the Sierra as homologation rules for motorsport have changed so radically. Most RS Ford models up to the Escort RS Cosworth were put in to production for that reason.
M-SportMatt said:
It's because the answer is a resounding no, who in their right mind is going to pay what would surely be north of 40k for a Ford Saloon in a hugely competitive segment.
Funny thing is the classifieds are littered with £40k+ examples of yesteryear's Ford heroes / halos. There is a market, but a rose-tinted one! M-SportMatt said:
theplayingmantis said:
dont be pedantic.
i clearly quote full size car. i consider a focus a hot hatch. to compare it to a rs cosworth is just silly,
If you meant 'Full Size' whatever the hell that means ( i mean are there any 3/4 sized replicas about? ) surely you meant Granada's then or Scorpiosi clearly quote full size car. i consider a focus a hot hatch. to compare it to a rs cosworth is just silly,
Is it silly to compare the Sierra to the Focus? The Mk3 focus is way bigger than a Mk1 Sierra Hatch, way more powerful and way faster so yes maybe I shouldn't compare them....BUT
Both were/are HALO performance models and both compete/competed in the BTCC and both are hatches, they couldn't be more similar apart from AWD vs RWD.
if you meant it, why not just ask if Ford are going to make a big performance saloon?
It's because the answer is a resounding no, who in their right mind is going to pay what would surely be north of 40k for a Ford Saloon in a hugely competitive segment.
ok will ford ever make a fast saloon again rather than a chavvy (perceived) fast focus.
how much is a mondeo vignale in full spec?
GM, and maybe PSA, did will do it woth the vxr insignia.
theplayingmantis said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-size_car
ok will ford ever make a fast saloon again rather than a chavvy (perceived) fast focus.
how much is a mondeo vignale in full spec?
GM, and maybe PSA, did will do it woth the vxr insignia.
Given the issues they had with producing a low volume high performance model ( see Mk2 and Mk1 FRS - neither made fully on the main production line, Mk1 sold at a loss, Mk2 quality issues ) then unless they can integrate into the main production line ( hence 5 dr focus rs this time ) and produce it at a profit then i doubt it.ok will ford ever make a fast saloon again rather than a chavvy (perceived) fast focus.
how much is a mondeo vignale in full spec?
GM, and maybe PSA, did will do it woth the vxr insignia.
Never say never but there is no real need and dare I say it no real market.
M-SportMatt said:
Given the issues they had with producing a low volume high performance model ( see Mk2 and Mk1 FRS - neither made fully on the main production line, Mk1 sold at a loss, Mk2 quality issues ) then unless they can integrate into the main production line ( hence 5 dr focus rs this time ) and produce it at a profit then i doubt it.
Never say never but there is no real need and dare I say it no real market.
if they could knock a fast saloon (edit, saloon style, yes the sierra was a hatchback, but not at least in my perception as an out and out one like a focus is)out for under 40k i would consider one. but i fear sadly you are right and they never will again. Never say never but there is no real need and dare I say it no real market.
Edited by theplayingmantis on Monday 21st August 14:45
KevinCamaroSS said:
Going from the thread title, there are several current UK models that fall into that grouping, Mustang, Focus RS, GT etc. Not sure what saloon style cars are available in the US at present?
im talking about the man on the streets family car. yes appreciate the focus fill that gap but i mean the mondeo/sierra model the flagship model for want of a better word. an ordinary car made fast, a mondeo rs is such a thing existedtheplayingmantis said:
im talking about the man on the streets family car. yes appreciate the focus fill that gap but i mean the mondeo/sierra model the flagship model for want of a better word. an ordinary car made fast, a mondeo rs is such a thing existed
Earlier, in the M / AMG / RS Heritage thread, referring to sport prefixes:theplayingmantis said:
the average buyer wouldnt know what either meant or represented
If the man on the street happens to be the average buyer, they probably aren't in the market for anything particularly akin to 'flagship'. Ford have decidedly shifted their efforts to the hatchback market more than saloon, where they do bloody well in this country, and to the GT market where they pick up on historic lineage. I would have loved to see the Cosworth / Ford partnership survive into the 2000's and present day with uber saloons but as others have mentioned, the Aussie and US markets are offered fast four door cars because they're still deemed a reasonable option, for a plethora of reasons.
I'd love it if they made an "RS Mondeo" - RWD and the same V8 as in the Mustang
Trouble is it would probably cost more than a Mustang, and getting on towards 'M' car territory. So they'd only sell a handful. Either that or to keep the cost competitive they'd have to sell at a loss. I'm sure neither option is in line with their "corporate goals".
Trouble is it would probably cost more than a Mustang, and getting on towards 'M' car territory. So they'd only sell a handful. Either that or to keep the cost competitive they'd have to sell at a loss. I'm sure neither option is in line with their "corporate goals".
theplayingmantis said:
M-SportMatt said:
theplayingmantis said:
Will there ever be another one?
I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
So you're not on about hatches.....but then quote two hatches....Sierra RS Cosworth is a hatch ( saph was the later saloon ) and the mondeo is a hatch.I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
The Focus RS is the current Fast Ford...or the Mustang depending on your point of view.....
i clearly quote full size car. i consider a focus a hot hatch. to compare it to a rs cosworth is just silly,
The Escort Cosworth was built on the Sierra platform, not the FWD escort platform. When the original UK focus came out it was smaller, but the USA version was about the size of the Escort Cosworth, they then went to a world platform that is the same size of the US spec car, its bigger than it looks.
When we ran a Group A Sapphire, we reshelled that into an Escort Cosworth, then we looked at reshelling that into a Focus (the original UK one), but decided not too because it was heavier!
Resolutionary said:
theplayingmantis said:
im talking about the man on the streets family car. yes appreciate the focus fill that gap but i mean the mondeo/sierra model the flagship model for want of a better word. an ordinary car made fast, a mondeo rs is such a thing existed
Earlier, in the M / AMG / RS Heritage thread, referring to sport prefixes:theplayingmantis said:
the average buyer wouldnt know what either meant or represented
If the man on the street happens to be the average buyer, they probably aren't in the market for anything particularly akin to 'flagship'. Ford have decidedly shifted their efforts to the hatchback market more than saloon, where they do bloody well in this country, and to the GT market where they pick up on historic lineage. I would have loved to see the Cosworth / Ford partnership survive into the 2000's and present day with uber saloons but as others have mentioned, the Aussie and US markets are offered fast four door cars because they're still deemed a reasonable option, for a plethora of reasons.
whats the us fast 4 door ford
jsf said:
theplayingmantis said:
M-SportMatt said:
theplayingmantis said:
Will there ever be another one?
I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
So you're not on about hatches.....but then quote two hatches....Sierra RS Cosworth is a hatch ( saph was the later saloon ) and the mondeo is a hatch.I grew up with my old man buying german import mark ii grenadas, that had been made fast. before that and my time he had sport cortinas (not sure if thats a contradiction). and would have liked to carry on the tradition one day.
I dont know too much of the heritage of fast fords, but i do know they don't make them anymore (im not talking hot hatches or muscle cars)
will we ever see the likes of a Sierra RS Cosworth again? could a RS mondeo be a thing ever?
the last full size car that could be described as such was variations of the Falcon down under i think. thats now been canned.
its sad
The Focus RS is the current Fast Ford...or the Mustang depending on your point of view.....
i clearly quote full size car. i consider a focus a hot hatch. to compare it to a rs cosworth is just silly,
The Escort Cosworth was built on the Sierra platform, not the FWD escort platform. When the original UK focus came out it was smaller, but the USA version was about the size of the Escort Cosworth, they then went to a world platform that is the same size of the US spec car, its bigger than it looks.
When we ran a Group A Sapphire, we reshelled that into an Escort Cosworth, then we looked at reshelling that into a Focus (the original UK one), but decided not too because it was heavier!
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