All Season Tyres (Michelin Cross Climate)

[jon-]

SVS said:

Krikkit said:

apparently the new cross climate + is even better.

Has anyone seen or tried the new CrossClimate Plus yet?

IT's almost identical. They've worked on performance throughout the treadlife (that's the big push for Michelin at the moment) so it should work a little better when worn, but it actually has a slightly worse wet braking result when new as a result.

All these are very small incremental changes, it's still fundamentally the same tyre.

[SVS]

Thanks Jon-

[DamienB]

I put a set on my Alfa 156 last winter, kept them on in summer. Squirmy on hard cornering to start with but they settled down once they'd worn a bit. Really impressed with how they cut through standing water and general grip in the wet. Never tried on snow. OK in the summer on dry roads.

[MJK 24]

I've done a few hundred miles on these now in the 190. Cannot comment on what they're like on the ragged edge as it's a 25 year old Merc and that's not really how you drive them.

For 'normal' driving I can't yet fault them. They're quiet on the motorway and seem good in the wet. Snow perfomance yet to be confirmed.

[anonymous-user]

The old ones i got a full set at a good price and tbh if i had to buy new would choose something else. The are summer plus tyres not all season so i would just stick with some good wet tyres as that is what the weather is in the uk mostly. I would them not as good as aqua planning as other tyres and in icy weather a bit skittish.

[mmm-five]

I've got them on my Alfa 147 JTD (all 115bhp of it).

Wasn't intending to, as I normally go in he Z4MC, but it was being repaired and I didn't want waste the ferry/hotel booking, so I went to the 'Ring & Cadwell Park in it.

Had the most fun I've had at the Ring for such a long time. Of course, ultimate speed/lap times were nowhere the Z4, but I didn't have to worry about damp/greasy/soaking track as I would normally, and it still got almost 40mpg over the course o f the trip (including 25 laps).

They were fitted 25,000 miles ago, the Ring trip was 10,000 miles ago, and the tyres are less than half worn.

Would definitely buy another set (£250 for 4 in 15") when these eventually die.

[BlueShackNeedle]

Snow here in Scarborough today, about 2-3cm settled on roads when I drove to work.

I have Cross climates (not Plus) with about 4.5mm tread & I can only say that I’m not impressed with them on snow at all. TC on all the time. Short shifting and driving to the conditions but I don’t think they are much better than a new (full tread) summer tyre TBH.

I will be going back to a true winter/summer if newer All season tyres don’t review better.

[V8mate]

Maldini35 said:

I've had Cross Climates on my Volvo S80 shed for a year now.
They are only ok in my experience.
Not huge amounts of grip in either wet or dry conditions.

Agreed.
I fitted original CrossClimates to my missus's Golf Plus last year and the new CrossClimate+ to my Superb 3.6 estate this year, and on both cars they regularly lose traction when pulling away from standing (and, no, I'm not talking traffic lights grand prix!).

[anonymous-user]

Harry Metcalfe sings the praises of all season Pirelli Scorpion Verde tyres on his L322 Range Rover in a recent video, and he actually uses his cars properly on mud, snow, ice and is clearly a very experienced knowledgeable chap. His take was that they are 80% as good as proper snow tyres.

[juice]

I've got Verde all season on the LR. I'd agree they are a very good tyre indeed. We'll see how good they are if the reported snow hits but they have been great in the summer/autumn. Interestingly my MPG improved after fitting them.

[457892345]

Since fitting these tyres i've noticed a distinct drop off in ''feel'' for where they are and a feeling of numbness when i first start to turn from centre, particularly bad is when i take a tight turn into a junction for example, you sometimes get a feeling that if you turned in anymore they'd suddenly snap and break away from under you. It happens sometimes on long fast bends too when slowly adding in more lock you hit a point it'll give you this feeling, even at conservative speeds. Its a shame because coming from turanza runflats i thought id just see an overall improvement in every area or at least not worse. Didn't really consider that the tread blocks could cause this much of a difference and thought it must be the alignment or steering going bad but having ruled those out only one logical conclusion remains...

Grip feels much better, noise is irrelevant to me but better than the rfts, ride quality is 100x nicer and with 205/55/16s i can take most bumps without issue, having a tyre with a lower operating temp gives you more confidence to push hard in these months and you don't need to st yourself everytime you see a puddle but overall i couldn't recommend these to anyone that enjoys a spirited drive as that robbing of road feel takes most of the fun out of it.


...Anyone in the market for secondhands?

[LimaDelta]

Just fitted them to my Subaru Outback. Very happy in the current conditions, and way better than the (admittedly 25k old) OEM Duelers.

[Jag_NE]

on my wifes c class i thought that they performed well in this years snow. its a gently driven car so high performance driving isnt really a factor for us. its hard for people to get back to back driving experiences across multiple tyres on the same car in similar conditions as most folk change the rubber every two years plus and our uk winters are not very consistent. i just went off the reviews that showed that the CCs are a great all rounder.

[Tomo1971]

Both Wife and myself have them, hers on a VW group DSG car and on my VW group manual 4WD car.

I have the advantage of 4wd anyway but find them to be better in the snow and rain than summer tyres.

Wife commented that a lot of her colleagues at work struggled in the last batch of snow we had (she's a care worker so visiting 10 to 15 clients a shift) but she had no issues, took it steady, went past plenty of people on inclines that were stuck, including a Nissan Navarra!!!

[tonyvid]

I've had them on my Saab 9-5 for the last couple of years, I've found them excellent for bowling up and down the motorway - like the OP, a 17yr 275k 9-5 is hardly a B road missile and I don't drive it as such. I've done about 35k on them and still 5mm left which is almost twice as long as Eagle F1s would last. Nice and quiet, shift a massive amount of spray in the wet and feel so much more compliant on cold mornings, no noticeable loss of grip levels over summers with the way I drive.

We've only had snow on a couple of occasions and they were so much better than Eagle F1s which wouldn't even get me out of my road which has about a 2deg slope. Downsides - they seem to use a bit more fuel(-40miles on a tank) and pick up an awful lot of stones in the open softer rubber. I would certainly buy them again.