RE: New TVR Griffith - official
Discussion
essexstu said:
Alpinestars said:
The 4.2 is a great car, but you're right, there's no way on earth it's that quick.
Interesting too that article in Car Magazine refers to a drag between the mule car and a standard Cerbera and "it blew past like it was standing still"! It's seems to be another league in performance. Without doubt it will be the most engineered car TVR has produced.Digga said:
Same reason as why the doors on Peter Wheeler's Tuscan racer used to flex and wobble, like they were paper thin, compared to the other cars on the grid (they were allegedly ultras-thin carbon fibre), which is that when it mattered, cars were tweaked. I'm guessing aside from weight saving panels, the engine could be - and indeed must have been - tuned up.
Yup. The ocean haze 4.0 press Griff was surprisingly spritely for a boggo Rangie lump. Spent a day back in the early 90s driving it around Silverstone with Gerry Marshall who passed various remarks about the car along with PW's race cars and race tactics. 
Hi all, I have been reading the new TVR posts with great interest. For what its worth, i feel its not a bad effort and an attractive car. It is a shame that it looks aren't quite as good as the early visuals that were posted sometime ago. I do agree about the nose, wheels and number plate issues- I hope TVR are listening as its not too late to modify ! The real issue was the launch was clearly premature. I was interested to see the video of the chairman drive the car back from Goodwood as this wasnt professional ! The Schmee video is also predictable- As is the case with all these car reviewers, they say positive things and now the manufacturers take them seriously. But do they give an honest review now- Absolutely not! I believe Schmee has sold his merc AMG GTR for a premium- I will say no more on that subject! Back to TVR- My suspicions are that for the sake of the business viability they must keep the deposit holders happy/on the hook at all costs and hence the slightly premature launch. If the deposit holders dwindle the ongoing business will not be viable and we will never see our new TVRs ! Its a daunting road ahead at TVR if they are to make this viable. They have planned a huge factory and workforce in wales. On my back of a fag pack calculation i guestimate that their break even will be circa 1500 to 2000 units a year with this scale of operation. Lotus dont sell that many cars! The price of the car is high. Dont get me wrong , it will be a fun sunday car but when its decision time would you choose this tvr or a 6 month old 991 GTS or Merc AMGT! I think we all know the answer! It needs to be £75k with all options. Initial depreciation could be huge.Then there is the servicing and sales- I cant see any definative announcements as to how this is going to work! Surely they cant expect everyone to go to wales ! So for what its worth , i think they should be applauded for designing what is essentially a good car. However, i feel the business wont survive . It might be reborn at a later date with a few guys working out of a small factory. Sorry to p on the bonfire . I do hope TVR takes note.
AUTODESIGN said:
I was interested to see the video of the chairman drive the car back from Goodwood as this wasnt professional !
Christ sake man! He didn't drive it back from Goodwood, it was a quick vid of the car in a car park. I agree it's not exactly 'corporate' but people seeing it moving around under its own steam is a good thing, however it comes.AUTODESIGN said:
Hi all, I have been reading the new TVR posts with great interest. For what its worth, i feel its not a bad effort and an attractive car. It is a shame that it looks aren't quite as good as the early visuals that were posted sometime ago. I do agree about the nose, wheels and number plate issues- I hope TVR are listening as its not too late to modify ! The real issue was the launch was clearly premature. I was interested to see the video of the chairman drive the car back from Goodwood as this wasnt professional ! The Schmee video is also predictable- As is the case with all these car reviewers, they say positive things and now the manufacturers take them seriously. But do they give an honest review now- Absolutely not! I believe Schmee has sold his merc AMG GTR for a premium- I will say no more on that subject! Back to TVR- My suspicions are that for the sake of the business viability they must keep the deposit holders happy/on the hook at all costs and hence the slightly premature launch. If the deposit holders dwindle the ongoing business will not be viable and we will never see our new TVRs ! Its a daunting road ahead at TVR if they are to make this viable. They have planned a huge factory and workforce in wales. On my back of a fag pack calculation i guestimate that their break even will be circa 1500 to 2000 units a year with this scale of operation. Lotus dont sell that many cars! The price of the car is high. Dont get me wrong , it will be a fun sunday car but when its decision time would you choose this tvr or a 6 month old 991 GTS or Merc AMGT! I think we all know the answer! It needs to be £75k with all options. Initial depreciation could be huge.Then there is the servicing and sales- I cant see any definative announcements as to how this is going to work! Surely they cant expect everyone to go to wales ! So for what its worth , i think they should be applauded for designing what is essentially a good car. However, i feel the business wont survive . It might be reborn at a later date with a few guys working out of a small factory. Sorry to p on the bonfire . I do hope TVR takes note.
I have a deposit on the launch edition. I'm starting to wonder about depreciation too. The options are to buy the TVR or possibly buy a depreciation proof classic for the same money or you could justify buying a more expensive classic/ collectors car or two based on the depreciation argument. I still don't understand what the difference in spec will be between the launch edition and a standard spec model. Also 500 launch editions is simply too many to make it exclusive on this type of car surely. I also wonder how the new model/ models will impact on the inflated prices of the old models. Is a 12 year old sagaris really worth £70K. I've had 7 TVR's in the past, all secondhand so I am really excited about the thought of getting a new TVR to my spec, I will have to wait 18 to 24 months to get it through.Edited by Jonny TVR on Thursday 28th September 10:10
To clarify- Yes we all want to see it in action but ts the interior driving footage that lets them down. They are trying re launch a brand and i can assure you any PR professional would have their head in their hands! I want them to survive as i love TVRs and have owned a number of them. However, they have me worried hence the tough words that i hope they will listen . This is the video-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX8s0Oc8omU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX8s0Oc8omU
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AUTODESIGN said:
I quite liked the idea of the front exhausts, until I heard that video.At idle, it sounds like concrete mixer powered by a single-cylinder industrial engine.
DonkeyApple said:
Digga said:
Same reason as why the doors on Peter Wheeler's Tuscan racer used to flex and wobble, like they were paper thin, compared to the other cars on the grid (they were allegedly ultras-thin carbon fibre), which is that when it mattered, cars were tweaked. I'm guessing aside from weight saving panels, the engine could be - and indeed must have been - tuned up.
Yup. The ocean haze 4.0 press Griff was surprisingly spritely for a boggo Rangie lump. Spent a day back in the early 90s driving it around Silverstone with Gerry Marshall who passed various remarks about the car along with PW's race cars and race tactics. 
DonkeyApple said:
I can't recall what Gerry told me it was but I do recall him telling me what it wasn't as he overtook 4.2 Cerbs, on the grass down the Hanger Straight. 
Gerry's been in both of those cars then; he instructed me at a TVRCC track day at Snetterton in the other one. Utter legend!Digga said:
Gerry's been in both of those cars then; he instructed me at a TVRCC track day at Snetterton in the other one. Utter legend!
He certainly was. I didn't really appreciate who he was when I was growing up. He was just my Dad's old mate he'd grown up with and gone racing with. Gerry used to tag along as he wasn't old enough to race. I bought his 4.3BV Griff at my sister's wedding shortly after he had had his Tuscan Challenge title bought to a close by the factory drivers at PW's request and he was slightly annoyed. Before he let me have the car he took me to a TVR day at Silverstone for some instruction with the remark that it was harder to sell cars at funerals than at weddings. Although he managed to sell the last Oscar India at my grandmother's funeral. I'm not sure many TVR fans know just how crucial he was in TVR's history and others have claimed the credit over the years for his achievements.
Equus said:
I quite liked the idea of the front exhausts, until I heard that video.
At idle, it sounds like concrete mixer powered by a single-cylinder industrial engine.
right. so the side exhaust are due to a chassis designed by Gordon Murray, allowing underfloor aero..... and the noise is bothering you..At idle, it sounds like concrete mixer powered by a single-cylinder industrial engine.
(I like it, it sounds special/different)
it will sound like a V8 from behind...
BJWoods said:
right. so the side exhaust are due to a chassis designed by Gordon Murray, allowing underfloor aero..... and the noise is bothering you..
Given that we live in a country with a 70mph speed limit, guess how much I'm bothered about having underfloor aero?Noise used to be one of the few things that TVR got right. Looks and interiors were two of the others....
Equus said:
BJWoods said:
right. so the side exhaust are due to a chassis designed by Gordon Murray, allowing underfloor aero..... and the noise is bothering you..
Given that we live in a country with a 70mph speed limit, guess how much I'm bothered about having underfloor aero?Noise used to be one of the few things that TVR got right. Looks and interiors were two of the others....
MDL111 said:
That made me laugh .... you forgot to mention the billiard table road surface to make the underfloor aero work
guess neither of you are buying one then.. because you don't like the noise, when you stand next to it, when it is parked...
The chassis should be so much better than any previous TVR car - handling wise - even if you don't ever go over 70 mph... (never been on a track days or autobahn, or gone slightly over the speed limit?)
why is Pistonheads so negative, I'm a tvr owner of 20 years and I thought pretty cynical.. This is going to be a 500 bhp reliable V8 in a car whose chassis was designed by Gordon Murray. built to modern manufacturing standards. And I think it looks good. and the interior is excellent.
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 28th September 21:58
Edited by BJWoods on Thursday 28th September 22:20
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