RE: Bugatti Chiron sets 0-400kph-0 world record

RE: Bugatti Chiron sets 0-400kph-0 world record

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FN2TypeR

7,091 posts

92 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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What a machine - those numbers are incredible, eek

coppice

8,562 posts

143 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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When the budget is limitless and the buyers are minted then arguably the achievement involved in creating a mass market hot hatch for 20k is the greater. And few former racing drivers I've met get terribly excited about road car performance - why would you when a Chiron would be humiliated on track by cars costing £1.50 ?

Baddie

606 posts

216 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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steveb8189 said:
What a beast

Not sure why you decided to pick up on the S7 from the test though. The Lambo, Hennessey and Ford were both much faster with the latter doing 0-200-0 in 26.5 and with a "as tested" price of $212k it looks quite the bargain compared to the Chiron! I wonder what it would have done 0-400kph-0 in...
The tuned cars all had issues though, blown gaskets, exploding brake rotors... which highlights what an incredible achievement it is to provide this performance with OEM durability as well as luxury.

coppice

8,562 posts

143 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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I stand by the point - obviously the £1.50 was hyperbole , but revise that figure to the price of a set of tyres for the Chiron, which should fund a Formula Renault Tatuus with change for a fish supper.

I don't deny the technical excellence of the Chiron, but we tend to be blind to the familiar . Making fast , safe , affordable and reliable cars for peanuts, and with a healthy profit margin, is too easy to take for granted .

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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I think it's stunning in everyway and if I could I would.

The feeling of driving round in that thing must be incredible in fact totally imperious, nice early start, empty roads and a cross country dash to your place in the south of France, it must just eat up the miles with distain.






Melman Giraffe

6,759 posts

217 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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WOW

Thats all i can add

WCZ

10,492 posts

193 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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coppice said:
I stand by the point - obviously the £1.50 was hyperbole , but revise that figure to the price of a set of tyres for the Chiron, which should fund a Formula Renault Tatuus with change for a fish supper.

I don't deny the technical excellence of the Chiron, but we tend to be blind to the familiar . Making fast , safe , affordable and reliable cars for peanuts, and with a healthy profit margin, is too easy to take for granted .
NASA had a healthy budget, doesn't make any of their achievements less amazing

El Guapo

2,787 posts

189 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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cookie1600 said:
In my analogy of going to the Moon, a lot of technical expertise was used and new barriers were broken in science and engineering, that have helped shape our World. Maybe the expertise used to create this car and preform this feat will be useful to us in some other way, some day.
The problem with your analogy is that no barriers were broken in science or engineering to produce the Veyron/Chiron. Although considerable expertise was required to assemble all the components into a usable package, none of it was beyond the realm of existing automotive technology.

ChocolateFrog

24,857 posts

172 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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El Guapo said:
cookie1600 said:
In my analogy of going to the Moon, a lot of technical expertise was used and new barriers were broken in science and engineering, that have helped shape our World. Maybe the expertise used to create this car and preform this feat will be useful to us in some other way, some day.
The problem with your analogy is that no barriers were broken in science or engineering to produce the Veyron/Chiron. Although considerable expertise was required to assemble all the components into a usable package, none of it was beyond the realm of existing automotive technology.
That's not true. The Veyron ushered in several firsts for a road car and considerable new ground was broken. Not least aerodynamics at 250mph.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

107 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Who cares. Its a bit of fun. Something that we need more of.

El Guapo

2,787 posts

189 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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ChocolateFrog said:
That's not true. The Veyron ushered in several firsts for a road car and considerable new ground was broken. Not least aerodynamics at 250mph.
250mph aerodynamics - not groundbreaking.
Mach 10 aerodynamics - groundbreaking

coppice

8,562 posts

143 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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Nanook said:
Too easy to take for granted?

If it's so difficult, why is everyone doing it?

And if these hypercars are less of a challenge, why aren't more people doing it?

I'm not sure you've thought this through.
My point ,to clarify, is that it is temptingly easy to overlook the quality of some products which are ubiquitous - and yes ,lots of firms produce brilliantly engineered rocket hatches but that fact alone doesn't diminish the achievement . I can't get blase about the fact that the RSs and AMGs of this world have performance superior to that of supercars not that long ago.(Not that rocket hatches are my sort of thing )
More people don't do hypercars as the market is minuscule - fewer than 500 Veyrons and only 60 odd road McLaren F1s .



Edited by coppice on Thursday 14th September 18:18

TIGA84

5,204 posts

230 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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El Guapo said:
ChocolateFrog said:
That's not true. The Veyron ushered in several firsts for a road car and considerable new ground was broken. Not least aerodynamics at 250mph.
250mph aerodynamics - not groundbreaking.
Mach 10 aerodynamics - groundbreaking
Yes, lets compare road car aerodynamics, to a Mach 10 scram jet, because lets face it, all the parameters you would use to do so are the same.

Words fail me.


El Guapo

2,787 posts

189 months

Thursday 14th September 2017
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TIGA84 said:
Yes, lets compare road car aerodynamics, to a Mach 10 scram jet, because lets face it, all the parameters you would use to do so are the same.

Words fail me.
Nobody suggested that, apart from you.

underphil

1,245 posts

209 months

Friday 15th September 2017
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Trappygit said:
a car with one gear ratio doesn't sound like a lot of fun to me!!

Baddie

606 posts

216 months

Sunday 17th September 2017
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El Guapo said:
250mph aerodynamics - not groundbreaking.
Mach 10 aerodynamics - groundbreaking
250 mph in a road car is ground breaking aerodynamically. It's above the speed where compressibility becomes an issue and aerodynamic rules start to change. Going that fast in proximity to the ground and retaining road car characteristics is an achievement of a high order

gary58

218 posts

130 months

Monday 18th September 2017
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Well done to Bugatti wonder what TWR
would have with jaguar to compete ?

ZeroH

2,904 posts

188 months

Monday 18th September 2017
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Most real petrolheads must be at Frankfurt rather than on this thread... Because today at least the Chiron was drawing the largest crowds of the whole show, and for me was easily the most incredible car there

andrewparker

7,900 posts

186 months

Monday 18th September 2017
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How did they film this?

E65Ross

34,946 posts

211 months

Monday 18th September 2017
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andrewparker said:
How did they film this?
Presumably using another Chiron.....or something not road legal and very fast indeed.