RE: Bugatti Chiron sets 0-400kph-0 world record
Discussion
When the budget is limitless and the buyers are minted then arguably the achievement involved in creating a mass market hot hatch for 20k is the greater. And few former racing drivers I've met get terribly excited about road car performance - why would you when a Chiron would be humiliated on track by cars costing £1.50 ?
steveb8189 said:
What a beast
Not sure why you decided to pick up on the S7 from the test though. The Lambo, Hennessey and Ford were both much faster with the latter doing 0-200-0 in 26.5 and with a "as tested" price of $212k it looks quite the bargain compared to the Chiron! I wonder what it would have done 0-400kph-0 in...
The tuned cars all had issues though, blown gaskets, exploding brake rotors... which highlights what an incredible achievement it is to provide this performance with OEM durability as well as luxury.Not sure why you decided to pick up on the S7 from the test though. The Lambo, Hennessey and Ford were both much faster with the latter doing 0-200-0 in 26.5 and with a "as tested" price of $212k it looks quite the bargain compared to the Chiron! I wonder what it would have done 0-400kph-0 in...
I stand by the point - obviously the £1.50 was hyperbole , but revise that figure to the price of a set of tyres for the Chiron, which should fund a Formula Renault Tatuus with change for a fish supper.
I don't deny the technical excellence of the Chiron, but we tend to be blind to the familiar . Making fast , safe , affordable and reliable cars for peanuts, and with a healthy profit margin, is too easy to take for granted .
I don't deny the technical excellence of the Chiron, but we tend to be blind to the familiar . Making fast , safe , affordable and reliable cars for peanuts, and with a healthy profit margin, is too easy to take for granted .
coppice said:
I stand by the point - obviously the £1.50 was hyperbole , but revise that figure to the price of a set of tyres for the Chiron, which should fund a Formula Renault Tatuus with change for a fish supper.
I don't deny the technical excellence of the Chiron, but we tend to be blind to the familiar . Making fast , safe , affordable and reliable cars for peanuts, and with a healthy profit margin, is too easy to take for granted .
NASA had a healthy budget, doesn't make any of their achievements less amazingI don't deny the technical excellence of the Chiron, but we tend to be blind to the familiar . Making fast , safe , affordable and reliable cars for peanuts, and with a healthy profit margin, is too easy to take for granted .
cookie1600 said:
In my analogy of going to the Moon, a lot of technical expertise was used and new barriers were broken in science and engineering, that have helped shape our World. Maybe the expertise used to create this car and preform this feat will be useful to us in some other way, some day.
The problem with your analogy is that no barriers were broken in science or engineering to produce the Veyron/Chiron. Although considerable expertise was required to assemble all the components into a usable package, none of it was beyond the realm of existing automotive technology.El Guapo said:
cookie1600 said:
In my analogy of going to the Moon, a lot of technical expertise was used and new barriers were broken in science and engineering, that have helped shape our World. Maybe the expertise used to create this car and preform this feat will be useful to us in some other way, some day.
The problem with your analogy is that no barriers were broken in science or engineering to produce the Veyron/Chiron. Although considerable expertise was required to assemble all the components into a usable package, none of it was beyond the realm of existing automotive technology.Nanook said:
Too easy to take for granted?
If it's so difficult, why is everyone doing it?
And if these hypercars are less of a challenge, why aren't more people doing it?
I'm not sure you've thought this through.
My point ,to clarify, is that it is temptingly easy to overlook the quality of some products which are ubiquitous - and yes ,lots of firms produce brilliantly engineered rocket hatches but that fact alone doesn't diminish the achievement . I can't get blase about the fact that the RSs and AMGs of this world have performance superior to that of supercars not that long ago.(Not that rocket hatches are my sort of thing )If it's so difficult, why is everyone doing it?
And if these hypercars are less of a challenge, why aren't more people doing it?
I'm not sure you've thought this through.
More people don't do hypercars as the market is minuscule - fewer than 500 Veyrons and only 60 odd road McLaren F1s .
Edited by coppice on Thursday 14th September 18:18
El Guapo said:
ChocolateFrog said:
That's not true. The Veyron ushered in several firsts for a road car and considerable new ground was broken. Not least aerodynamics at 250mph.
250mph aerodynamics - not groundbreaking.Mach 10 aerodynamics - groundbreaking
Words fail me.
Trappygit said:
Koenigsegg Regera.
http://www.automobilemag.com/news/hypercar-face-of...
a car with one gear ratio doesn't sound like a lot of fun to me!!http://www.automobilemag.com/news/hypercar-face-of...
El Guapo said:
250mph aerodynamics - not groundbreaking.
Mach 10 aerodynamics - groundbreaking
250 mph in a road car is ground breaking aerodynamically. It's above the speed where compressibility becomes an issue and aerodynamic rules start to change. Going that fast in proximity to the ground and retaining road car characteristics is an achievement of a high order Mach 10 aerodynamics - groundbreaking
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