RE: Nissan GT-R MY17 v. Porsche 911 Carrera GTS
Discussion
hondansx said:
B210bandit said:
At 25% more for the Porsche, as optioned, isn't it a bit of an apples and pears comparison?
Why don't we look into all ownership costs, including depreciation before we write off the comparison?hondansx said:
But then you'd just make the GTR more....well... GTR.
I am not a snob; I have multiple Japanese cars, but the GTR just screams chav. And sadly, 'modifications' tend to be remap, loud exhaust and a distasteful vinyl wrap (i.e. even more chavvy).
The Porsche costs more, and it's worth it. They're popular because they know how to make a decent car. I don't know how you could get out of the 911 and into the GTR and feel like you've made an upgrade.
well..i am not a huge fan of 911 interiors so getting into a GTR would be fine for me ... and it is an upgrade to me as 911's don't do it for me looks wise and the GTR is quite a bit faster.I am not a snob; I have multiple Japanese cars, but the GTR just screams chav. And sadly, 'modifications' tend to be remap, loud exhaust and a distasteful vinyl wrap (i.e. even more chavvy).
The Porsche costs more, and it's worth it. They're popular because they know how to make a decent car. I don't know how you could get out of the 911 and into the GTR and feel like you've made an upgrade.
many may disagree but i would take the GTR over the 911 everytime
The £20K difference would be enough to sway me into the GT-R. I don't really care that there's the odd issue of fit and finish as it remains the absolute pinnacle of what we can do with active suspension in a production road car. The 911 is probably brilliant, competent and the safe choice.
Helicopter123 said:
Staggered that the GT-R is still so heavy despite having such a cheap interior?
It's not a cheap interior it's just not as nice as the 911 (which had a few options ticked to make it an even nicer place to be) the weight comes from the hardware 4wd 4ws dual clutch gearbox etc which all adds up.It's still a nice place to be & a good steer just a different steer to the GTS but if the interior did wrankle me I'd have 11k in change to do something about it with.
It's a shame they didn't compare it with the similarly Carrera 4/Carrera S (which is within 1k of the GT-R) or they'd got hold of a Track Edition GT-R so the test would have been a better comparison but I'm guessing they're at the mercy of the press fleets.
I like the GT-R but it can be cantankerous when cold but I like that about it (the fact it's not easy to get the best from it) on the other hand I like the 911's jump in and go ability but I think the GT-R would get the nod but for that money if it was opened up for cars at around 88k I'd get a Granturismo.
ZX10R NIN said:
I like the GT-R but it can be cantankerous when cold but I like that about it (the fact it's not easy to get the best from it) on the other hand I like the 911's jump in and go ability but I think the GT-R would get the nod but for that money if it was opened up for cars at around 88k I'd get a Granturismo.
I'm not sure that I see the 911 as a jump-in-and-go car: my 997 needs a minute or so of idling at 1200rpm to get to temperature, and it clonks the gearbox if the oil's cold ... but I would be put off a GTR if it actually needed 15 minutes to warm up. That just wouldn't work where I live. The size of a car is quite important to me. So, as much as i've always admired the GTR, there's no getting round the fact that it is a big machine. For that alone, i'd probably go for the Porsche. After recently driving my dad's 911 round a track, i feel like it's a really nice size of car.
Obviously, this new one is probably bit bigger but it still just looks right to me, dimensions wise. There's no denying the GTR's pure pace and it's ability to extract performance from the road like nothing else but i'm just losing interest now with these mild updates. Bring on the new model!
Obviously, this new one is probably bit bigger but it still just looks right to me, dimensions wise. There's no denying the GTR's pure pace and it's ability to extract performance from the road like nothing else but i'm just losing interest now with these mild updates. Bring on the new model!
£86,300 on a GTR just seems wrong. It is very accomplished I'm sure, and no doubt very fast, but its allure for me was when it was "a giant killer for M5 money". Up in the rarified atmosphere of £85k+ it just seems rather inelegant.
I say that as someone who owned a R33 GTR & R34 GTR, so very much a fan of blisteringly quick Japanese motors.
Then again I wouldn't spend £100k on that particular Porsche either.
I say that as someone who owned a R33 GTR & R34 GTR, so very much a fan of blisteringly quick Japanese motors.
Then again I wouldn't spend £100k on that particular Porsche either.
hondansx said:
Kawasicki said:
The Nissan GT-R is a hoot to drive on back roads, it's fun in the bends - quick, playful and darty. It also tramlines all over the shop which is very involving. It just goes to show you that focused development at the Nurburgring really brings benefits.
Not sure if that is sarcasm...Well done Nissan.
HeMightBeBanned said:
Pistonheads. Because soft-touch interiors matter.
It's all a load of waffle to me, not sure why journalists decide to discredit a car because of 'hard feeling plastics', especially matt Watson on car buyer, even though I'd rather have the Porsche over the GT-R, it most certainly wouldn't be because of 'interior quality'. I'm in no position to judge as I haven't driven either and probably never will but most journalists go on about the GT-R's interior like it's the same the Peugeot 307 my dad hired years ago on holiday! Give it up already
culpz said:
The size of a car is quite important to me. So, as much as i've always admired the GTR, there's no getting round the fact that it is a big machine. For that alone, i'd probably go for the Porsche. After recently driving my dad's 911 round a track, i feel like it's a really nice size of car.
Obviously, this new one is probably bit bigger but it still just looks right to me, dimensions wise. There's no denying the GTR's pure pace and it's ability to extract performance from the road like nothing else but i'm just losing interest now with these mild updates. Bring on the new model!
The Porsche is only 14.5cm shorter & 1.5cm narrower than the GTR.Obviously, this new one is probably bit bigger but it still just looks right to me, dimensions wise. There's no denying the GTR's pure pace and it's ability to extract performance from the road like nothing else but i'm just losing interest now with these mild updates. Bring on the new model!
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Wednesday 20th September 18:16
nickfrog said:
guards red said:
Audemars said:
Both ugly cars. GTR is classless and the Porsche is FUGLY as usual.
Feel sorry for the folk that aspire to own these cars.
What do you aspire to?Feel sorry for the folk that aspire to own these cars.
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