What will happen to Vauxhall's lineup now no GM??
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As a couple of examples;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Grandland_X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Crossland_X
That's the future of how it will be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Grandland_X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Crossland_X
That's the future of how it will be done.
Wacky Racer said:
Here we go again...another PH Vauxhall knocking thread........
ffs!
Not really. It's a forum where people give an opinion. Many people couldn't care less about Vauxhall. ffs!
I certainly don't - I had a few foisted on me as company cars, all were rubbish.
But in the here and now I'm told they are pretty good.
But a new Vauxhall, Peugeot, Renault, Seat, VW, they are all the same generic thing IMO.
Just pick the one with a dealer nearest your house / has a finance deal / stocks a colour you like - that is how most people view this sort of mainstream car.
What I hope will happen is that Citroen will continue with its kooky style and have really interesting cars again like the C4 picasso/cactus/new C3, possibly building a luxobarge on hydropnuematic that has some mad design elements not aimed at getting the CEO out of his BMW, leaving the bland c2/c3/c4/c5/c6 type models to the Opel and VX badged cars.
Peugeot will build the more executive stuff with handling high on the design spec like the 308GTi, and if concepts are anything to go by DS will be building the expensive luxury stuff (concept cars for the road according to some.).
They will of course share platforms, components and engines but result in very different cars imo.
Peugeot will build the more executive stuff with handling high on the design spec like the 308GTi, and if concepts are anything to go by DS will be building the expensive luxury stuff (concept cars for the road according to some.).
They will of course share platforms, components and engines but result in very different cars imo.
Robmarriott said:
As a couple of examples;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Grandland_X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Crossland_X
That's the future of how it will be done.
So - less interesting looking, dynamically compromised versions of existing PSA product. Surely only a stay of execution, I see one more generation built on the above idea, all the while softening the customers up to a move to PSA alternatives in the generation that follows...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Grandland_X
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Crossland_X
That's the future of how it will be done.
If they were clever they could use Vauxhall as a luxury brand (link it too other upmarket British brands - Range Rover, Jag, Bentley, Rolls etc).
Put the Opel brand on the mid-market saloon cars (play up the German angle)
Peugeot as the sporting brand (GTi heritage)
Citroen as the interesting small cars.
Put the Opel brand on the mid-market saloon cars (play up the German angle)
Peugeot as the sporting brand (GTi heritage)
Citroen as the interesting small cars.
Uncle Ron said:
So - less interesting looking, dynamically compromised versions of existing PSA product. Surely only a stay of execution, I see one more generation built on the above idea, all the while softening the customers up to a move to PSA alternatives in the generation that follows...
But... in the same way that anyone who owns a Ford, Volvo, Mazda, Suzuki, MINI, or Toyota (or Peugeot or Citroen) which uses the 1.4/1.6 HDI engine, assuming it's made by whoever's badge is on the car, nobody will know what they're actually buying.
Joe Public just does not know or care.
Plate spinner said:
Truckosaurus said:
If they were clever they could use Vauxhall as a luxury brand (link it too other upmarket British brands - Range Rover, Jag, Bentley, Rolls etc).
They'd have to be pretty damn clever to pull that off...What rational are you applying to say the same couldn't be done to Vauxhall?
Vauxhall sell as many cars in the UK as Opel sell in Germany - why would PSA want to risk that for the sake of some badges
Tavares has already stated that the plan is for Citroen to be quirky lower end products, Peugeot mass market with Opel (and presumably Vauxhall) positioned slightly more upmarket than Peugeot
No idea where this will leave DS - probably as quirky upmarket.
No worse than what Volkswagen Group have achieved with a lot of success and Tavares is proving to be a strong man at the top.
Lots of sharing already gone on with Opel and PSA already, Crossland X is a rebodied C3 Aircross, Grandland X is a rebodied 3008
Opel /Vauxhall in my opinion have a brighter future under PSA than they had with GM
Tavares has already stated that the plan is for Citroen to be quirky lower end products, Peugeot mass market with Opel (and presumably Vauxhall) positioned slightly more upmarket than Peugeot
No idea where this will leave DS - probably as quirky upmarket.
No worse than what Volkswagen Group have achieved with a lot of success and Tavares is proving to be a strong man at the top.
Lots of sharing already gone on with Opel and PSA already, Crossland X is a rebodied C3 Aircross, Grandland X is a rebodied 3008
Opel /Vauxhall in my opinion have a brighter future under PSA than they had with GM
300bhp/ton said:
What rational are you applying to say the same couldn't be done to Vauxhall?
Indeed. I suspect Vauxhall has no image either positive or negative outside the UK, so they could easily re-brand it as their luxury model.That people in the UK wouldn't buy it (both literally and figuratively) isn't a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
I dont get why PH hates Vauxhall? The Astra J vxr was named one of the best on sale when that was new out, putting the 265 meganne to shame. The corsa vxr got praise as well, especially the nurburg with its lsd and slight power hike. Sure they make some incredibly dull cars, but so do every other big brand make. Shame Vauxhall is going to die, PSA buying it will mean the cars will get worse and less "cool".
Coming from me one of the younger ones on this forum, if i pulled up to a mates house in a astra J vxr i be thought of as "cool"
Coming from me one of the younger ones on this forum, if i pulled up to a mates house in a astra J vxr i be thought of as "cool"
300bhp/ton said:
You and others are being rather mocking of this suggestion. But let's not forget SEAT and especially Skoda were once seen in far worse light than run of the mill Vauxhalls. Yet VAG have somehow transformed the images of those to make them trendy, even desirable to certain types.
What rational are you applying to say the same couldn't be done to Vauxhall?
Granted, Seat and Skoda images have been transformed by VAG to appeal to certain market segments (quirky, sensible for Skoda and sporty/Spanish flair for Seat) - however I just can't see Vauxhall ever being considered as a credible luxury choice (in the UK anyway) - too much utilitarian history.What rational are you applying to say the same couldn't be done to Vauxhall?
A lot easier if they did something like Toyota did with Lexus - invent a new name/brand.
Plate spinner said:
Truckosaurus said:
If they were clever they could use Vauxhall as a luxury brand (link it too other upmarket British brands - Range Rover, Jag, Bentley, Rolls etc).
They'd have to be pretty damn clever to pull that off...Look at Skoda. Until the 1990s the brand was a laughingstock. The image was poor on so many levels. VAG step in and throw money at the problem and all of a sudden people forgot jokes like "What do you call a convertible Skoda? A skip!" etc etc etc.
It's already anounced they will platform share. The new crossland X is just a Peugeot 2008 under the body, I suspect engines will follow as vauxhalls line up is pretty poor.
Expect the next gen insignia and 508 to share the platform too.
I wonder if some of the Vauxhall reliability issues stem from it being made it Britain. Does anyone buy a Vauxhall because they are made here? I wouldn't.
Expect the next gen insignia and 508 to share the platform too.
I wonder if some of the Vauxhall reliability issues stem from it being made it Britain. Does anyone buy a Vauxhall because they are made here? I wouldn't.
rodericb said:
A big part of the spend on Opel may have been access to the GM E2XX platform?
I doubt that's included, as it's GM Global's property - it's not really needed, either, with PSA's EMP2 platform.The first stages of the co-operation are already in the showrooms. Crossland X is coming soon as C3 Aircross. Then the 3008's spawning the DS 7, C5 Aircross - and Grandland X.
Citroen have just announced there'll be another C5 in 2020 - I'll bet you it's EMP2-based, with DS 5/508/Insignia replacements coming off it, too.
The interesting thing is what's going to happen with engines in the short term - remember, Opel still use Fiat-derived diesels, while PSA are in bed with Ford.
I reckon the expiry of the Luton manufacturing contract in 2020 will also see that closed, and the Vivaro dropped for a Dispatch/Jumpy/ProAce sibling.
Remember, PSA and Opel have been working together for many years, with GM owning 7% of PSA between early 2012 and the end of 2013. At that stage, there was talk of the next Corsa being based on the C3, and built alongside it in France.
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