Flue detached from flue liner / changes in building regs?

Flue detached from flue liner / changes in building regs?

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8-P

Original Poster:

2,758 posts

260 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Hi All

Long story short - chimney sweep has managed to detach my flue from my flue liner with his brush. Told us it was only held together with flue cement and not his fault?! Hmm

So chap came today, said it needed a new longer flue liner - £800 or so to do the job! Reckoned building regs had changed since our was installed in 2012 by the previous owners.

This seems odd, as before this happened it was working fine for the last 2 years since weve used it, so I fail to see why it cant be just joined back up?

Any views appreciated! Im getting the original installer out either way.

Many thanks


anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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8-P said:
Hi All

Long story short - chimney sweep has managed to detach my flue from my flue liner with his brush. Told us it was only held together with flue cement and not his fault?! Hmm

So chap came today, said it needed a new longer flue liner - £800 or so to do the job! Reckoned building regs had changed since our was installed in 2012 by the previous owners.

This seems odd, as before this happened it was working fine for the last 2 years since weve used it, so I fail to see why it cant be just joined back up?

Any views appreciated! Im getting the original installer out either way.

Many thanks
The gas safety installation and use regs state that a whole new flexible liner is required to be installed, can't 'reuse' a old one as it were and must be a complete liner.

8-P

Original Poster:

2,758 posts

260 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Having looked tonight I can see what has happened and quite frankly a new liner seems mad. If I got a handful of fire cement and spread it round it would be back to how it has been for the last 5 years. If it needs a new one it was wrong from the start. £800 to replace I’ve been quoted again by a different guy.

CoolHands

18,630 posts

195 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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just do it yourself then, noone's going to report you

LookAtMyCat

464 posts

108 months

Tuesday 26th September 2017
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Like a lot of gas rules and regulations; some things are a bit overkill and the 'it's been like that for 30 years!' is an oft-heard line when applying regulation to older installations.

I'd hope the last engineer in the property cut the boiler off and affixed a warning if the flue has come adrift?

Sure you can do it yourself. But if something happens to someone else in that house, even years down the line and it's the boiler/flue responsible, you're off to prison.

8-P

Original Poster:

2,758 posts

260 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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I should have said - this is for my log burner not my boiler sorry!

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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8-P said:
I should have said - this is for my log burner not my boiler sorry!
Log burner?!?!? Ohh OP well the gas safety installation and use regs don't apply then!!

Yeah just a bit of cement or whatever to seal back up will be satisfactory!

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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AlrightYouns said:
8-P said:
I should have said - this is for my log burner not my boiler sorry!
Log burner?!?!? Ohh OP well the gas safety installation and use regs don't apply then!!
Building Regs still do, though...

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

bobtail4x4

3,716 posts

109 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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who installed it?

get them back as its faulty.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
AlrightYouns said:
8-P said:
I should have said - this is for my log burner not my boiler sorry!
Log burner?!?!? Ohh OP well the gas safety installation and use regs don't apply then!!
Building Regs still do, though...

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Obviously.

This doesn't stop OP reattaching the flue liner though.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

170 months

Wednesday 27th September 2017
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It appears the repair will need to conform to the current regs.

However, it's down to the OP if he wants to 'have a go' and mash it back together himself.

8-P

Original Poster:

2,758 posts

260 months

Sunday 1st October 2017
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Just as an update, the original installer turned up yesterday to check it out. Looked at my Hetas cert(they signed it off) and then took a look.

He had a camera on rods with him so used these to take a proper look. Turned out my flue was only partly lined (probably only a few metres worth from what I could see).

He was rather confused as to why this had been done and without dumping his own company in it too much told me it wasnt right and they would be back to fully line the chimney - which is what should have been done in the first place. He couldnt explain why it had been done this way. I have no idea, some sort of slack short cut, actually it could have been potentially dangerous from what I read/he hinted at.

Needless to say, no talk of any cost to me, I wont be paying them a cent even if they try it on, which I dont think they will as I think they want to brush it under the carpet.